If you had 10K to spend

If you were starting with Ball Pythons, and had 10K in cash, and another 5-10K in trade stuff, what would you get and why?

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If it were me with the prices the way they are I'd get me as many double and triple combo females I could get my hands on and have a male of each one.. But thats just me.

If I had 10k in spare cash... only about $1000 of it would go toward herp. I would get a carpet python and another ball python and stackable cages for each.

I should probably note that i have about 40 empty CB 70 drawers in ARS racks. I also have one of the most comprehensive Carpet python collections in the country including almost every morph known at this time. (thus the additional 5-10K in trade)


S~

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

If you were starting with Ball Pythons, and had 10K in cash, and another 5-10K in trade stuff, what would you get and why?

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A visual male lavender albino and a two-year old female cinnamon.

I would get a lot of triple/double co-dominant or recessive animals with some of the nicer basic morphs like Lesser, Mojave, Pastel, Cinny/Black Pastel, Albino, Hypo, Spider, Pinstripe or even Pied. Then I would get one or two more expensive animals that would add expense to the collection, which all depends on you.
CB-70 racks won't hold hatchlings too well, but would work well for breeders. I don't know if you want to try to buy adults or younger animals.

I would first buy a freezer and tons of frozen rats, then buy a bunch of racks, thermostats, and supplies, then i would stock up on as many breeder females and co-dom males as possible. That is saying i am going to just start up

If I has 10 k to spend on ball pythons I wouldnt. Id buy a nice pair of pieds, because I think they are the most visually appealing morph. Id take my other 8k and invest it in something totally unrelated to balls.

It depends.. am I trying to make money, or am I chasing a particular set of genes in an animal?

The former, I'd invest in dozens of up-to-weight reduced pattern normal females, and a handful of triple dom/co-dom males. I'd also pick up some pastel females.

The latter, well I'd have to do serious thinking. I'd probably pick one or two big projects to chase, one of which would probably a lav albino super cinnamon(or black pastel). I'd probably also pick up a butter and a hidden gene woma. I'd also consider an enchi and a regular woma. If the woma and hidden-gene womas are in fact not the same morph, I'd be seriously interested in chasing a snake that carries multiple reduced-pattern morphs. Just imagine an enchi-woma-hidden gene woma combo, might be pretty sweet.

I don't post often but I really like this thread. I would get:
0.1 Pastel(best money can buy)
1.0 Fire(Again best I can find)
0.1 Desert(nicest I can get)
1.0 Enchi(nice high yellow one)

Then I would breed the Pastel to the fire, and the enchi to the desert. Then depending on odds, say I get a male firefly, I would then get female Vanilla. If the Tiger is a male, then I would get a female spotnose. Or vice versa. Then when I hit the odds on a tiger spot nose and a vanilla fire fly, I will breed them together(hopefully I get a male and a female first try) Then I will shoot for my dream 6 combo morph snake. All the lighter coloured normal'er' looking morphs in one snake. I believe this would be the sweetest snake as I really like the lighter coloured morphs that don't stray to much from that of a normal ball python. Don't get me wrong I love lessers, clowns, LA's, Lucy's, and all the morphs I guess, but I particularly like the ones who look more like a normal ball python(as you can see from my list of chosen snakes) The rest of the money will go towards supplies(T-Stats, cages, maybe racks, and a rat breeding colony)

What I would get definitely has to do with herping.

I'd get a Nikon F5 and Nikon D700 or D3 - both full frame cameras, one film, one digital. Get the 14-24mm lense, a 35mm, 50mm, 105mm macro, and telephoto lense (with or without zoom, probably without). A nice tripod, flash, camera bag, and other goodies to go with that.

I'd take it out into the field and start shooting! Oh, maybe a pic or two of ball pythons...

Later, Matt

I would try to pick up as many of the following males as possible:

Pastel Sugar / Calico
Firefly
Desert
Lesser Pastel
Clown
Pied
Genetic Stripe
Lavender Albino
Lemon Blast
Pastel YellowBelly
Axanthic
HumbleBee
SilverStreak
Champagne

And as many Breedable CBB Normal Females as possible.

After your first year breeding, you could hold back what you want to keep, and sell or trade the other offspring and pick up the following females:

Black Pastel / Cinnamon
Fire
Pinstripe
SuperPastel
Pastel
Spider
Mojo / Lesser / Butter
Woma
Enchi
Pastel YellowBelly
YellowBelly

As well as picking up as many females of the following Morphs, or CoDom females that are het for the following:
(With papers from a trusted breeder.)

Axanthic
Hypo / Ghost
Albino
Clown
Genetic Stripe
Pied

You may be better off selling the Carpets first, and using that cash to purchase the females from the same breeder(s) when you purchase the males.
The more cash you have available to spend in one lump some with a breeder, the better the prices on all of the animals are.
A breeder is a lot more willing to haggle over a $15k-$20k purchase then a $2500. purchase.

I take it you are wanting to breed. I would go for super co-doms, visual recessives, and combo morphs as close to breeding age as possible. Bees, BELs, super pastels, oh and 100% hets for other morphs if possible for alot of these male/female pairs of co-dom morphs. Alot faster return with the highest percentage of visual morphs and combo morphs from breeding right off the bat.

At todays prices? You could probably get a pair of everything and have plenty left over for some nice racks.

Toffee ball hets. 10k/pr

look em up...theys some purty creatures.

i would buy a few racks for hatchlings and adults. buy a few nice bps. raise them up and breed them. since its my dream to breed bps :)

Double Recessive Combos!!!

I would go with codom and codom het simple recessive females and a few simple recessive males to breed them to. I do not like to produce normals, so that would solve that problems. Combos are where it is at, and simple recessive / codom combos should hold their value longer than codom combos.

I get the 10K in cash, pay about 1K for a trip/hotl to go to BHB's shop. With 9k cash in your pocket, I'm sure you'll leave there with a crate full of bad a$$ snakes and even some Snakebytes tv schwag.

I'd go for as many double and triple co-doms....het hypo cause I loves me some hypo. As many reduced female adult as possible.

Since the racks are covered Ill stick with the snakes. A triple gene male (spinnerblast or queenbee), a couple yearling pastel females, and some 09 double gene females and single gene recessive females.

0.1 adult pastel
0.2 adult cinnamons
0.2 adult het pieds
0.5 adult normals

1.0 Pewter
1.0 Pied
1.0 Lav albino

Produce a clutch of pastel x pewter, 1 clutch of pied x het pied, 1 clutch of lav albino x het pied, 2 clutches of lav albino x cinnamons, and a few clutches each with the normals. Hold back a female pewter or two, a few het pied females, a few het lavendar albino poss het pied females, cinnies het lav albino, and some poss het lav albino females.

In a few years you could be producing lavendar pieds, cinnamon lavendars, maybe even super cinny lavendars...

That is, of course, if you're looking to get money out of your investment, I mean, and not just wanting to produce something in particular for your own enjoyment.

Load me up with as many breedable sized nice pastel females. And maybe one male bee, could mix those into what I have now and be just fine with what the future could hold for me!

Also sign me up for a het tri stripe male just cuz its something new that very few are working with so far.

With 10 K I would get a Desert male and Lavender Albino male

ultramel, and a pied.

Non ball:
sunglow motley boa :O

If I had 10k to spend like that, probably half would go to ball python morphs, cages, and food. The other half would be for me :)

I would get a black xanathic 100% het pied. a high white pied breedable female. then breed those two and make a ba ball python

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

If you were starting with Ball Pythons, and had 10K in cash, and another 5-10K in trade stuff, what would you get and why?

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A pair of Double Het for Lavender Snows.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

A pair of Double Het for Lavender Snows.

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I saw a pic of that Lavender snow. Incredible animal. Too bad about who produced it though.

I would give the money to Stormwulf so he could get the two low end snakes he really wants. A Brazilian rainbow boa, and a male pastel het ghost ball.

:P
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Yeah, didn't think so.

If you had no experience with snakes, and where just a "investor" looking to make some profit, I'd tell ya to stick the money in a safe and walk away. Since you've been keeping snakes before, and know a little bit of the breeding scene, you know what to expect for the most part. I think the real question is how soon do you want to start getting hatchlings? You're going to pay alot extra for a girl that is ready to go this year (I'm sure you know this). I'd get some good, yearling hets, and codom hets (spider het albino) or something along those lines. Pick out morphs you like though....

i would spend the money to build a reptile room. <3

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Originally Posted by monk90222

I get the 10K in cash, pay about 1K for a trip/hotl to go to BHB's shop. With 9k cash in your pocket, I'm sure you'll leave there with a crate full of bad a$$ snakes and even some Snakebytes tv schwag.

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This has got to be the best answer yet.

I am going to TRY to outdo it tho....


I personally would head to Daytona... around 2:00pm on SUNDAY... with the full 10k in cash... (preferably in $10 dollar bills). For the last two hours or so before the end of the show I would be on top of the world. The memories from those two hours would be as good as what I end up with physically.

An ARS Rack in every size. A number of great Ball Pythons het for something and not het at all. A couple carpet pythons. A couple retics and burms. A couple Woma's. A Green Tree Python. A couple Blood Pythons. A Tegu. A number of Leopard Geckos and Fat Tailed Geckos. A large incubator. more space in my house. A couple Boa's. A couple Hognose Snakes. Lots of feeders. Some good strong snake hooks. A good, large cage for the burms and retics when they get older. A couple Helix DBS-1000's fro the racks and cages. A scale (for the small snakes, and one of those scales that you see at the vet to measure dogs for the burms and retics). A lot of books (for reptiles like: "The Complete Ball Python", "Ball Pythons in Captivity", "History, Natural History, Care & Breeding by Dave and Tracy Barker" and "Understanding Reptile Parasites 2nd Edition by Dr. Roger Klingenburg"). And some videos and posters (for reptiles like: The "Along Came a Spider" poster from NERD and "Dr. Seward's Ball Python Breeding DVD", you can never learn enough). Lots of stuff that I would get.

Definitely a Lav, and as many adult morph females as I can pick up with the remainder.

I'd want at least two really nice rack systems. Then a freezer full of snake food.

After that:

Whatever snakes I need to make caramel albino pieds, pinstripe pieds, dreamsicles, and maybe silver streak pieds.

Can you tell I like pieds?

Gale

Hmm. Either a Desert Pin & Pastel Champagne.... or a pastel camo & a Pastel clown :rolleyes:

Deffinaltly some Desert ghost and some Ghost Mojaves and a lav ghost

I would recommend putting that $10K into a 2 year CD. ;)

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Originally Posted by angllady2

I'd want at least two really nice rack systems. Then a freezer full of snake food.

After that:

Whatever snakes I need to make caramel albino pieds, pinstripe pieds, dreamsicles, and maybe silver streak pieds.

Can you tell I like pieds?

Gale

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Gale, I like where your head's at. I have a friend that can get you started with those projects if you're interested. ;)

Tell you what Brandon, as soon as that 10K check arrives, I'll be knocking on your door to get started. :D

I discovered axanthic pieds a few days ago, now they are on my list as well.

Gale

I'll be watching for it.....and I agree with you on the Axanthic Pieds.....or anything Pied for that matter. Just let me know before you send it. :P

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Originally Posted by angllady2

Tell you what Brandon, as soon as that 10K check arrives, I'll be knocking on your door to get started. :D

I discovered axanthic pieds a few days ago, now they are on my list as well.

Gale

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I'd get whatever I wanted for my own personal collection and not worry about what others want or to make sure there is a market of people who are willing to buy what I produce. That way I would never need to cull anything I produce.

Lavenders are my favorite. So I would probably get a visual male, visual female, a few het females, and a few axanthic females (Love the Lavender snow).

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I saw a pic of that Lavender snow. Incredible animal. Too bad about who produced it though.

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Not sure why that's "too bad" VPI seems to think he's okay enough to work with him on that project. :rolleyes:

The Snow is pretty cool.

I would pay my bills for the next few months and actually enjoy having a paycheck that isn't all gone before i deposit it ;)

If I got 10k, I would use most of it for caging, some for the basic morphs like pastels, spiders, pins, axans, mojos, a big supply of food, and the rest to the bank or a new guitar. I will only breed to get the morph I wanted in the first place and then sell all the other offspring.

I would get a few racks, and a few Ball morphs (Pinstripe, Pied, Albino, Lesser, Hypo, and Ultramel.. well only the Ultramel if it's under 10k xD)

If I had 10k to spend, I'd replace all my racks and probably buy a few more. Make sure I had several baby racks and invest in a larger incubator. Lets see if I replace 3 racks, that about 1k. Then I would probably buy another 1k in racks, giving me another 11 tubs. So that leaves me with 8k. (this is fun!)

Cinnamon Male
Mojave Male
Mojave Female
Albino Female
Pied Female
Het. Axanthic Pair
Clown Male
Yellowbelly Pair
Pastel Female
Lesser Male