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ive been with this site for maybe a month and loooking at the pictures and all that is great, plus people are really helpful, most of the time. im always reading posts that have alot of attitude and smarty pants remarks in them. people argue and go on and on. then i receive a warning for saying a bad word in a post ? idk it seems dumb to me.
i think maybe when people give advice they should just say what could help then end it. dont get all worked up and takes things personal, its annoying. obviously if someones asking for advice they realize theyre doing something wrong and the people giving advice should be grateful the person asking came for help instead of not caring.
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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

ive been with this site for maybe a month and loooking at the pictures and all that is great, plus people are really helpful, most of the time. im always reading posts that have alot of attitude and smarty pants remarks in them. people argue and go on and on. then i receive a warning for saying a bad word in a post ? idk it seems dumb to me.
i think maybe when people give advice they should just say what could help then end it. dont get all worked up and takes things personal, its annoying. obviously if someones asking for advice they realize theyre doing something wrong and the people giving advice should be grateful the person asking came for help instead of not caring.
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LOL

Truly. I actually did.

see what i mean ?!
thats really immature, this is site feedback so im voicing my opinion about the site. whatever .........:rolleyes:

For someone preaching about not taking things personally, sure seems you take things personally. :confused:

Hi,

It's a site designed to be child friendly and kept to a PG level. I'm sorry it seems dumb to you but it's something we think is quite important to the site. :(

We can try and enforce the rules as best we can but we cannot make everyone act friendly all the time - we can suggest it, and we can infract if they go beyond the level allowed by the rules, but that is really all we can do.

I do find it slightly ironic you complain about people getting worked up and yet it was you yourself getting worked up that lead to the bad word and thus the warning.

I agree this may not be the site for everyone and if you need to look somewhere else I wish you well in your search. :colbert2:


dr del

i was actually trying to advise people to think about what they say before they say it.
and the bad word was not while i was giving advice.

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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

i was actually trying to advise people to think about what they say before they say it.
and the bad word was not while i was giving advice.

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So did you think about what you were saying before you said the words that you were infracted for?
I have to say that most don't realize just how much the staff has to do here. I know I didn't before I started doing it myself. It's hard to keep the site family friendly and try to keep the peace in a busy public forum. We literally have to read every thread and every post. I appreciate how a newer member can get frustrated if they are not used to it as we are not as loose as some other sites. Something we do have here is a wealth of experienced keepers who are willing to take the time to answer the same questions over and over.
I don't see a ton of attitude from the majority of the members until someone asks for advice and then gets defensive instead of taking it as constructive criticism.

actually i thought, is this really that bad of a word ?
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=99370
here is my infracted post.
im not mad i got an infraction, i deserved it
im just saying people shouldnt get their panties up in a bunch , including those asking for advice and maybe admins should regulate that too so people dont get turned off to the site like i have.

The site has almost 13,000 members. Today around 160 were online, many with multiple posts. How would you go about regulating all of that? We can't make people get along and play nice as it's an open forum. When things get out of hand the staff will generally chime in. Sometimes threads get moved to QT as that's what it's there for. To think that this many members will not rub each the wrong way from time to time is wishful thinking.
Everyone should have the ability here to voice their opinions. When those opinions don't match your own that makes for a discussion. That what forums are all about.

i understand thanks for taking the time to help me see your side, really. :)

Hopefully you will decide to stick around and contribute to the site:gj:

Hi,

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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

actually i thought, is this really that bad of a word ?
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=99370
here is my infracted post.
im not mad i got an infraction, i deserved it
im just saying people shouldnt get their panties up in a bunch , including those asking for advice and maybe admins should regulate that too so people dont get turned off to the site like i have.

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Well the post no longer contains the word that triggered the censor so it would be hard for other people to judge - if it helps it had 7 letters in it and I'm fairly certain the last three were "ing".

So yes it really was that bad of a word on a PG forum. :rolleyes:

And it was only a zero point warning after all.

I would love it if people only posted nice friendly, helpful things on the site - but short of rewriting the posts of people who are having a bad day etc. I don't see how it would even be possible.

But I have to tell you if you think this site is unfriendly you really haven't visited a lot of the forums out there. :P


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

But I have to tell you if you think this site is unfriendly you really haven't visited a lot of the forums out there. :P


dr del

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Chuckle chuckle

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Originally Posted by dr del

But I have to tell you if you think this site is unfriendly you really haven't visited a lot of the forums out there. :P

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Indeed. Try posting on forums that aren't moderated and see how many posts you can make before someone tears into you. It's just like being in any public setting, not everyone is going to be peachy and tolerant of everyone else. You have to take the good with the bad and just accept it. Just like this thread... every board I've been a member of has has someone start an "I'm taking my toys and leaving" thread to draw sympathy after someone disagreed with them. They fuss and moan, disappear for a day or two, and then realize that they aren't going to change anything by doing it and just come back anyways. :confuzd: It's part of forum life, I'm sure you'll be back. :gj:

Can't expect people to be like in the Stepford wives can we :rolleyes:

It's a forum, people have different opinions, people have different personalities, people sometimes argue, just like in real life

We can't make everyone get along or like one another we can only make sure that it doesn't go too overboard.

Trust me compare to other forums things around here are not that bad ;)

lets all just get along

i see instances like wut is being explained happen A LOT. someone come along curious about something, and they're thrashed lol.

this post seems like eclipse just needed to vent =p.

i dont reccomend leaving the forum tho. stay preez :D

*meh* whatcha gonna do?

The rules are there and clearly stated, no probs there.

We all signed the same agreement regarding the TOS when we joined. :)

This is the only site I would recommend my teenage nieces and nephews to join. I have been on a lot of fourms that lack moderation, and have left a lot of those same forums for that reason.

If people want a language and abuse free-for-all, there are many out there. this site is for herpers of all ages, and we do our best to keep it a PG forum. That is not a secret.

No apologies there.

bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

If people want a language and abuse free-for-all, there are many out there. this site is for herpers of all ages, and we do our best to keep it a PG forum.

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AMEN FOR THAT! That this place is so well moderated is a breath of fresh air in the anything-goes atmosphere of many other forums.

I got an infraction for using these *** once instead of the word. I thought that was pretty lame, but I also agree with most of the moderation on this site and the PG friendly atmosphere. It is moderated for the kids, and you can tell there are quite a few on here. For the most part I think this is a great place though.

I'm gonna try my best to ask this without getting in trouble...

What qualifies as an infraction?

I know PG is what is suggested but that still can be interpretted different by many different people. I have some pretty colorful language sometime (no worries not on here), so PG to me would be words like heck or darn, in some cases butt (You can obviously switch those out with the words im thinking)

Also, what about suggestive sayings? Obviously the entire "out of context" thread comes to mind here lol

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Originally Posted by wilomn

LOL

Truly. I actually did.

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I haven't been on many forums for a long time, but this is by far the nicest one out there.

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Originally Posted by stinker2009

I'm gonna try my best to ask this without getting in trouble...

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Later, Matt

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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

actually i thought, is this really that bad of a word ?
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=99370
here is my infracted post.
im not mad i got an infraction, i deserved it
im just saying people shouldnt get their panties up in a bunch , including those asking for advice and maybe admins should regulate that too so people dont get turned off to the site like i have.

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Why are you assuming that Admins and Mods for that matter don't regulate such things? Just because you got an infraction does not mean others haven't when they've gone over the line as well.

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Originally Posted by stinker2009

I'm gonna try my best to ask this without getting in trouble...

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What leads you to believe that simply asking a question about what qualifies as infractable would get you "in trouble"? I've been on this site a long time both as a member and as a Moderator and I've yet to see anyone get in any trouble asking a reasonable question using appropriate language.

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Originally Posted by stinker2009

What qualifies as an infraction?

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Here you go:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/a....php?f=89&a=15

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Originally Posted by frankykeno

What leads you to believe that simply asking a question about what qualifies as infractable would get you "in trouble"?

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Oh heck, a few weeks ago I started an entire thread to ask about infractions because I had no clue.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Here you go:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/a....php?f=89&a=15

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Wow thats awesome thanks! I know I have written a thread and gone back and changed a word here or there to keep myself from coming off as a jerk.

I also like how it addressed my exact words lol

I know Im late on this thread, but getting upset over an infraction...really? A 0 point infraction is enough to have a person leave this site? I think I had like 12 pts at a time once...just watch what you say. And dont threaten harm to big name pet stores. =X

Grow up.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

I know Im late on this thread, but getting upset over an infraction...really? A 0 point infraction is enough to have a person leave this site? I think I had like 12 pts at a time once...just watch what you say. And dont threaten harm to big name pet stores. =X

Grow up.

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ACTUALLY...
i was merely voicing my FEEDBACK about people giving attitude and being rude on this forum and suggesting that administrators should discourage being rude and offensive as much as they do cussing. for example, grow up? how about trying to understand my true reasoning for making this thread instead of jumping to conclusions and talking down to me? after all the thread is called "attitude" not "omg you guys suck for slapping me on the wrist!!"
and yeah i signed on just to post this reply :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

ACTUALLY...
i was merely voicing my FEEDBACK about people giving attitude and being rude on this forum and suggesting that administrators should discourage being rude and offensive as much as they do cussing. for example, grow up? how about trying to understand my true reasoning for making this thread instead of jumping to conclusions and talking down to me? after all the thread is called "attitude" not "omg you guys suck for slapping me on the wrist!!"
and yeah i signed on just to post this reply :rolleyes:

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I will reiterate what Derek said:

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We can try and enforce the rules as best we can but we cannot make everyone act friendly all the time - we can suggest it, and we can infract if they go beyond the level allowed by the rules, but that is really all we can do.

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How would you suggest that we subjectively infract "rude"? What I consider rude may be completely different from what you consider rude. Heck, we took away the bear baiting infraction, because it was essentially undefine-able. WE knew what we considered bear baiting, but trying to explain to the site exactly where that line was, was impossible to do.

With over 12K registered members on this site, and a volunteer staff of less than 20, we can't make people be nice to each other all the time. We do step in and tell people to knock it off when it gets beyond what the staff agrees is acceptable, or it gets sent to Quarantine to allow those not getting along to "duke it out" in a hidden forum, so that guests, new members and even veterans don't have to see it if they don't want to (access to the QT room is strictly by request only, and we have many veterans who have NOT asked for access, because it's not their cup of tea).

We do appreciate your feedback, and it's not something that the staff hasn't discussed in the past, but until someone can figure out a way to make 12K personalities all see things eye to eye, the best we can do is monitor and SUGGEST that people try to be nicer to each other.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

With over 12K registered members on this site, and a volunteer staff of less than 20, we can't make people be nice to each other all the time... the best we can do is monitor and SUGGEST that people try to be nicer to each other.

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So, you 20 don't have a magic wand? ::::wave, wave, poof!:::: How about the big, red, Staples "Easy" button? :D

But what, pray tell, is "bear baiting"? :weirdface

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Originally Posted by Patricia

So, you 20 don't have a magic wand? ::::wave, wave, poof!:::: How about the big, red, Staples "Easy" button? :D

But what, pray tell, is "bear baiting"? :weirdface

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Yes, just what IS bear baiting?

Bear baiting is virtually poking a stick at another member to get a rise out of them. There are varying degrees of bear baiting, and too subjective to define on a case by case basis.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Bear baiting is virtually poking a stick at another member to get a rise out of them. There are varying degrees of bear baiting, and too subjective to define on a case by case basis.

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A stick you say? Any particular type? Oak, Birch, perhaps Willow?

And a rise you say? Ewwww, that's gross.

I like beating dead horses. It's much safer and when you're done, you're the eatee not the eator, them bears can get mad. Fierce too.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Bear baiting is virtually poking a stick at another member to get a rise out of them.

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That sounds like Kindergarten. Or middle school. And the Quarantine area sounds like the Time Out room, LOL!

Found this on the Web: http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z...asy-button.jpg

:D

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Originally Posted by wilomn

A stick you say? Any particular type? Oak, Birch, perhaps Willow?

And a rise you say? Ewwww, that's gross.

I like beating dead horses. It's much safer and when you're done, you're the eatee not the eator, them bears can get mad. Fierce too.

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Any stick will do! ;)

Its the internet.... Thats all you have to tell yourself. It can be the most helpfull and informative place in the world.. Or it can be the exact opposite. With Scammers, bullies, stalkers, etc...

This is a good forum because its moderated so closely. Yes some of the members and even moderators can get a little (offbeat) at times, but think of what they have to deal with in here constantly.

I myself posted a question about genetics but now i feel kinda silly about some of the things i said and the fact that i posted my question before i was fully prepared with good pictures and other info that would actually allow the members who read it to give me the advice i was looking for.. In my case, a dinker project is just that. No one knows.. Just keep breeding and dont bother us with your silly questions when we know nothing about the animals you own..

So dont worry about the infraction and definately stick around. There is some very useful info on here and im sure everyone knows something that someone else would benefit from. Thats why were here

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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

ive been with this site for maybe a month and loooking at the pictures and all that is great, plus people are really helpful, most of the time. im always reading posts that have alot of attitude and smarty pants remarks in them. people argue and go on and on. then i receive a warning for saying a bad word in a post ? idk it seems dumb to me.
i think maybe when people give advice they should just say what could help then end it. dont get all worked up and takes things personal, its annoying. obviously if someones asking for advice they realize theyre doing something wrong and the people giving advice should be grateful the person asking came for help instead of not caring.
tata for good

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I know ive already posted on this thread but i was reading it again and suddenly wondered if we would be allowed to "swear" like they do on Battlestar Galactica LOL If you dont know what im talking about, its a SciFi series based on an original movie and possibly a book (I think). Its considered family friendly because even tho they swear all the time, they have altered the words (basically made up their own) and its funny as heck to hear it. Like the "F" word is "rack" instead of "uck"... Beginning with an F of course.. They have an entire slew of swear words they use that are not offensive but more funny than anything. :rofl:

Hi,

Probably not. :colbert:

We have a rule against changing the spelling of a word to bypass the censors using either alternate letters or asterisks etc.

Now add in a groggy half asleep mod and you're 3/4 home to infractionville. If they have never seen Battlestar your goose may well be cooked. :rofl:

Since we are not trying to teach you how to be more inventive in your swearing it's probably safest to stick to PG language such as "fudge" and "poot" :P


dr del

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Bear baiting is virtually poking a stick at another member to get a rise out of them.

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Like another member did to me recently for no apparent reason. Fortunately Dr. Del informed me of the "Ignore" feature... problem solved...


Yayyy #300... :fest:

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Probably not. :colbert:

We have a rule against changing the spelling of a word to bypass the censors using either alternate letters or asterisks etc.

Now add in a groggy half asleep mod and you're 3/4 home to infractionville. If they have never seen Battlestar your goose may well be cooked. :rofl:

Since we are not trying to teach you how to be more inventive in your swearing it's probably safest to stick to PG language such as "fudge" and "poot" :P


dr del

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I was literally :rofl: when i read this! Not laughing at you, but with you lol!! Especially the fudge and poot parts... I just cant bring myself to say those things! Mind you.. I dont swear hardly at all so you'll never hear a 4 letter word out of me. You're right about the Battlestar part. People who have never seen it would not have any idea whats going on lol! So scratch that idea :P

"Poot"??? :weirdface :D

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Originally Posted by Patricia

"Poot"??? :weirdface :D

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That's when a woman does this :fart:

Hmmmmm.... methinks me sees a bit of a double standard here.

It's ok to use approved words to replace words that would otherwise involve infractions, meaningless words, but not other meaningless words.

Makes me glad to be a mere citizen.

Hi,

It's more a case of the meaningless words being recognised as such rather than being mistaken as an attempt to swear without setting off the censor.

If we could teach computers to discern intent and nuance in these situations I'd be even more distrustful of the silicon psychopaths than I am now. :ninja:

But then I would also have more free time in which to remind engineers to include an off switch and a short power lead.


dr del

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Hmmmmm.... methinks me sees a bit of a double standard here.

It's ok to use approved words to replace words that would otherwise involve infractions, meaningless words, but not other meaningless words.

Makes me glad to be a mere citizen.

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HERE HERE!! lol This thread is getting more and more funny! So why is it we can post this----> :absolut: & promote "the drink", but its supposd to stay G rated? .. & somehow this ----> :banana: & this ----->:carrot: are the scariest things on here as far as im concerned :rolleye2: :8:

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Originally Posted by Draigess

HERE HERE!! lol This thread is getting more and more funny!

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I thought it was pretty funny days ago already! Re. "fack" vs. "poot", I'd rather have completely unrelated, meaningless, bunch of gibberish letters that don't sound like anything compared to something close enough to make you think of the offending word. Nevermind hearing/seeing cuss words, I don't even want to be reminded of them. "WTF" falls into that category, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Patricia

I thought it was pretty funny days ago already! Re. "fack" vs. "poot", I'd rather have completely unrelated, meaningless, bunch of gibberish letters that don't sound like anything compared to something close enough to make you think of the offending word. Nevermind hearing/seeing cuss words, I don't even want to be reminded of them. "WTF" falls into that category, IMHO.

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If "WTF" bothers you that much you should really re-consider your time on the internet, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Buttons

If "WTF" bothers you that much you should really re-consider your time on the internet, IMHO.

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So, instead of recognizing that my language isn't in the gutter, you're saying I'm online too much?

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Originally Posted by Patricia

So, instead of recognizing that my language isn't in the gutter, you're saying I'm online too much?

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Just push the "ignore" button... There is one in your brain that works pretty good too.. :banana: "scary banana" somehow reminds me of a song by System of a Down LOL (attempt at a subtle subject change :D)

I think this thread has gone to the [COLOR="Blue"][/COLOPOOTERSR] :fart: :fart: :fart: :8: