2 snanks one tank

is it ok to have a normal ball python and a pastel ball python in the same cage in a 40 gallon tank tall

under no circumstances can you keep any 2 snakes in the same tank(unless your breeding)

Unless they are breeding, no.

Hope this helps.

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Under no circumstances can you keep any 2 snakes in the same tank.

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I must correct you, ONLY for breeding purposes and that would only be for a short time!!! But other than that your are 100% correct!!! :gj::P:gj:

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Originally Posted by tjones

I must correct you, ONLY for breeding purposes and that would only be for a short time!!! But other than that your are 100% correct!!! :gj::P:gj:

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o wow that was my bad lol :gj:

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Originally Posted by bamf64

under no circumstances can you keep any 2 snakes in the same tank(unless your breeding)

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Why can you not keep two snakes in one tank?

That sounds ridiculous! My snake loves when I bring him to my friends I just put him in with his ball and they just bundle up in the big hide. When I bought him from my local breeder both me and my friend got both of our snakes at the same time, from the same tank, they were both together and both are doing fine no problems whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Why can you not keep two snakes in one tank?

That sounds ridiculous! My snake loves when I bring him to my friends I just put him in with his ball and they just bundle up in the big hide. When I bought him from my local breeder both me and my friend got both of our snakes at the same time, from the same tank, they were both together and both are doing fine no problems whatsoever.

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theres always a chance of aggresion

If you divided the tank in half you could. Fit a sheet of plexiglas down the middle and use sealant to keep it in place. Now sure if I'd want to do it though. Sounds like too much extra trouble.

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Why can you not keep two snakes in one tank?

That sounds ridiculous! My snake loves when I bring him to my friends I just put him in with his ball and they just bundle up in the big hide. When I bought him from my local breeder both me and my friend got both of our snakes at the same time, from the same tank, they were both together and both are doing fine no problems whatsoever.

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The sharing of the hide is either dominance or done out of necessity for security, not out of friendship. Snakes are solitary creatures and don't need play dates...

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Why can you not keep two snakes in one tank?

That sounds ridiculous! My snake loves when I bring him to my friends I just put him in with his ball and they just bundle up in the big hide. When I bought him from my local breeder both me and my friend got both of our snakes at the same time, from the same tank, they were both together and both are doing fine no problems whatsoever.

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How do you know your snake "loves" it?

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Originally Posted by bamf64

theres always a chance of aggresion

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My bad lol

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Originally Posted by mrshawt

How do you know your snake "loves" it?

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exactly:gj:

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Im not being aggressive. Im just saying I disagree with your opinion and the ones that agree with your opinion.

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I'm guessing he meant the snake, not you. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Im not being aggressive. Im just saying I disagree with your opinion and the ones that agree with your opinion.

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dude i meant your snakes... there could always be a fight for space or dominance, whether it be for hides,water,ext... which can lead to violence. and snakes dont need playdates btw...

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Originally Posted by mrshawt

How do you know your snake "loves" it?

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Your right I do not know. But my snake is not showing any signs of stress is what I mean.

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Originally Posted by bamf64

dude i meant your snakes... there could always be a fight for space or dominance, whether it be for hides,water,ext... which can lead to violence. and snakes dont need playdates btw...

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Oh sorry. Its not a play date I just can't trust anyone in my family to watch my snake when Im not at home.

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Your right I do not know. But my snake is not showing any signs of stress is what I mean.

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Can you identify signs of stress in a reptile? How much experience do you have with Ball Pythons? I realize you are 14 and you are really excited about these fascinating creatures but I would recommend that you do some research and listen to those that have experience. It concerns me that you intend to write some sort of snake magazine. Take your time and learn first. Then you can help others by providing accurate care information.

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Your right I do not know. But my snake is not showing any signs of stress is what I mean.

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Are you ready to care fo a clutch? No one should put two bp's together unless they're fully prepared to deal with the potential consequences, however unlikely.

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Originally Posted by mrshawt

Are you ready to care fo a clutch? No one should put two bp's together unless they're fully prepared to deal with the potential consequences, however unlikely.

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Im not ready for a clutch. I asked my breeder to sex them he said the were both males.

Even though they are the same species of snake (different morphs of one species do not make any difference) it is not at all recommended to house them together. Numerous amount of problems can occur. The spread of disease, parasites, stress, breeding, etc. has a very high chance of spreading between one another.

Males will fight during the breeding season. They do this by winding around one another's bodies, and throwing each other around. Fascinating to watch, but not a situation where you would want the poor loser to be forced to share space with the winner afterward. This would be very stressful for the snakes.

Other reasons NOT to do it:
If one snake becomes ill, the other is more likely to contract the same illness.

If one snake develops a problem such as a failure to defecate or urinate, or diarrhea, it can be difficult to tell which snake is having the problem.

Snakes may compete for hiding spaces and heat, forcing one snake to give up the most desireable spaces. This is unfair to the loser. It deserves better in your care than that.

Although it is extremely rare, do not think for one moment that ball pythons NEVER eat each other. I have heard a reliable eyewitness account of it happening.

If your problem is that you cannot afford another tank, and do not have space for it, then you CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER SNAKE. Stop trying to justify it, and accept it. Wait until you CAN afford a second cage, or even a small rack, before you acquire more animals.

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Im not ready for a clutch. I asked my breeder to sex them he said the were both males.

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Mature male ball pythons battle. Ball pythons are NOT pack animals and do not seek out the "company" of another unless they are breeding.

You are forcing them into a situation from which they have no means of escape. What you see as "cuddling" is also a case of dominance for the "best" perceived spot in the tank.

I agree with Jamie - at this point, you don't have enough experience to read the subtle cues of stress in a ball python, to be able to definitively state that they're not stressed by the experience.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Although it is extremely rare, do not think for one moment that ball pythons NEVER eat each other. I have heard a reliable eyewitness account of it happening.

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Thats crossed my mind but I didn't think it was too possible. But I agree that is possible.

i get it, one snake per tank.
but why? could they hurt eachother or do they just not like it?
seems like everyones pretty stern about it like this guys about to touch grammmas antiques or somethinn! :P

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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

i get it, one snake per tank.
but why? could they hurt eachother or do they just not like it?
seems like everyones pretty stern about it like this guys about to touch grammmas antiques or somethinn! :P

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Read the thread. Please.

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Originally Posted by eclipsesmommy

i get it, one snake per tank.
but why? could they hurt eachother or do they just not like it?
seems like everyones pretty stern about it like this guys about to touch grammmas antiques or somethinn! :P

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nvm everyone already answered
i had my pose screen open for a while :rolleyes:

Graphic. But WingedWolfPsion is right. They can hurt each other.

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/Bild...sgewuergt1.jpg

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Originally Posted by TRL94

Graphic. But WingedWolfPsion is right. They can hurt each other.

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/Bild...sgewuergt1.jpg

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Here's ball python eating a ball python:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ncannibal1.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ncannibal2.jpg

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Originally Posted by rabernet

here's ball python eating a ball python:



http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ncannibal2.jpg

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:O that's strange

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Although it is extremely rare, do not think for one moment that ball pythons NEVER eat each other. I have heard a reliable eyewitness account of it happening.

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I just want to say that I've known someone who had this happen. The snakes had lived together for a year and a half with no apparent problem (probably because BPs are most active at night?). One day he came home and one snake had eaten the other. Don't take the chance.

heres one for everyone- were getting two ball pythons and one encosure- they have been in the same enclosure since they were bought 4-5 yeats ago. Because we dont atm have two more tubs with heating, we were gonna leave the snakes in that enclosure untill we do. the ppl we are getting them from most likely got them from petco so pretty much they have been together all their life (they are also male and female) they did not tell us if they had eggs before but i would think not, since they would have just now gotten to breeding age ( and also perhaps they are not male and female..) would there still be a danger of aggression in this case?

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BP's should be kept 1 per enclosure. As for Snanks, I'm not sure how many of those can live together... :rofl:

Petco is the worse example you could use for correct animal husbandry.
Multiple snakes per enclosure increases the probability of problems significantly. I wouldnt reccomend it. The first snake I ever got was from a pet store and housed with multiple snakes. It ended up having mites, ticks, dehydrated and malnourished.

Just because an animal survives in a certain situation doesnt mean its good for them.

I know someone who survived a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp but I wouldnt reccomend those living conditions to anyone.

Just sayin.

im not suggestion that its a good idea- im just asking weather or not they will be ok for a little while longer in the same enclosure? just untill we get them tubs and heat tape

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Originally Posted by LaFilleClochette

im not suggestion that its a good idea- im just asking weather or not they will be ok for a little while longer in the same enclosure? just untill we get them tubs and heat tape

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If you don't have the proper husbandy, don't take the new snakes on. If for whatever reason you don't have the funds for a couple new tubs, then you don't need new snakes right now. :). Just my .02.

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Originally Posted by minij83

if you don't have the proper husbandy, don't take the new snakes on. If for whatever reason you don't have the funds for a couple new tubs, then you don't need new snakes right now. :). Just my .02.

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Originally Posted by LaFilleClochette

im not suggestion that its a good idea- im just asking weather or not they will be ok for a little while longer in the same enclosure? just untill we get them tubs and heat tape

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You answered your own question. They have been "ok" for years, chances are they will be "ok" for a few more days. Just know that you are taking a chance every day you leave them together. Some people get lucky and never have issues, others end up with 1 bigger snake. People on this site tend to get serious about the 1 BP per enclosure. The reason they do is pretty simple. They would much rather harp on you for having two snakes in one cage in an effort to get you to split them up then to post an "I told you so" when you post about your snakes going off food, or much much worse.

Every pet store owner in creation has their ball pythons and corns sharing tanks. And while those animals are often poorly quarantined etc. etc., except in the cases of actual disease and poor husbandly, they generally eat just fine and are, if anything, less stressed by human handling. (Though presumably living in a pet store means they also get handled more than the average ball python.)

Seriously, someone should actually study this. I've seen research on certain species rattlesnakes that share denning space, and prefer to hang with their siblings, even if they've been separated most of their lives.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Every pet store owner in creation has their ball pythons and corns sharing tanks. And while those animals are often poorly quarantined etc. etc., except in the cases of actual disease and poor husbandly, they generally eat just fine and are, if anything, less stressed by human handling. (Though presumably living in a pet store means they also get handled more than the average ball python.)

Seriously, someone should actually study this. I've seen research on certain species rattlesnakes that share denning space, and prefer to hang with their siblings, even if they've been separated most of their lives.

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Every pet store I have ever been too has atrocious husbandry. Its been my experience that they generally do not eat just fine. I have heard on many occasions that all BP's are force fed, and most BP's I have seen are underweight to severely underweight or have a sign saying not ready for sale. That tells me they just got the snake in and are trying to do the right thing and make sure it eats before they sell it. At my local pet stores I can watch the BP's get skinner week by week. Pet stores should never be used as an example of what to do.

Many snakes species share denning space because secure dens with good temps are hard to find. I do not believe they prefer to hang out with their siblings. I believe the prefer the temp and security and tolerate their siblings. Again what animals will do in the wild is not necessarily a good rule of what they should do in your home. BP's will curl up in a ball and let predators attack their less vital regions. Does that mean its ok to leave a live rodent unattended in their cage? After all in the wild they get bit and survive just fine.

Evidence of social networking in rattlesnakes: Sibling Recognition

Yes, I know it's just one paper, but I'm in a hurry....

EDIT: Oops, the above link doesn't allow non-members to read the full article. Here's a place where you can: Yay.

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Originally Posted by Eventide

Evidence of social networking in rattlesnakes: Sibling Recognition

Yes, I know it's just one paper, but I'm in a hurry....

EDIT: Oops, the above link doesn't allow non-members to read the full article. Here's a place where you can: Yay.

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The study is irrelevant to the point I am making. The study shows that timber rattle snakes tolerate siblings better. Not that they benefit in anyway or that they seek out their siblings. Even if it did it would not necessarily hold true for other species, especially those as distantly related as BP, and Corns. I am not arguing the points you are making only the conclusions you are drawing.

If an alien were studying me they would assume that I enjoy the company of my brother. After all I call him and he calls me and I go and visit him. One would even conclude that I enjoy my brother more than he enjoys me because I visit him but he does not visit me.

Of course the facts in this study support that conclusion when taken alone. When you consider other facts such as my brothers substance abuse and the fact that he lives with my mother the conclusion changes. Perhaps I tolerate my brothers company because I want to visit my mother. Perhaps I return his calls because it makes my mothers life easier if I do so.

If we all agree that snakes require and thus seek out warmth and security then we can attribute the communal dens to the scarcity of adequate dens.

I conclusive study would have to measure health and stress indicators of snakes housed in identical enclosures with the only difference being that some are house alone and some are house communally. This would have to be done with a relatively large number of animals preferably of similar genetics. It would have to be repeated for each species in question.

I am sorry but some people are just plain ignorant!

If you were smart you would have read up on snakes and learned about them before you went and adopted them. It is wise before you adopt anything to research and learn about them. Its just like having a child. You wouldn't just go out and buy a child right? You would learn how to care for them before you do anything.

And if you do not have the proper husbandry for a snake, or 2 snakes. Then don't get them. That is a little wise! Just like kids, You wouldnt go out and adopt 2 kids when you dont have beds, or food for them.

Just think.