Black Pastel X Pastel = ????

Would you get a super pastel??? or what???

And has anyone produced one,(if so can you post pictures) which im guessing someone has since it is so simple!!!

A pewter

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A pewter

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OOOO ya, because in that line of genes the cinnamon and black pastel can be flip-flopped!!!

And correct me if im wrong but the black pastel X cinnamon is the super cinnamon/black pastel, which is the all black snake!!

I just had one of my brain-farts!!!:D

Technically it would be a Black Pewter to distinguish between the Cinny Pewter which is normally called just a Pewter

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Technically it would be a Black Pewter to distinguish between the Cinny Pewter which is normally called just a Pewter

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But they are one in the same!!! I know there is a slit different, but they do look ALOT alike!!!

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Originally Posted by tjones

But they are one in the same!!! I know there is a slit different, but they do look ALOT alike!!!

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This depends on who you talk to. I like to think that they are different.

So, I label them accordingly.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Technically it would be a Black Pewter to distinguish between the Cinny Pewter which is normally called just a Pewter

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She is correct. I should have said black pewter. I would label them as a cinnamon pewter or black pewter depending on which I used. Thanks Heather and sorry for the confusion!!!

The breeding that will reveal if cinnamon and black pastel are variants of the same gene or are allelic would be to breed a cinnamon/Black Pastel (super) to a normal. The resulting offspring should show the same pattern that you seen when you breed a mojave/lesser (BEL super) to a normal (that is, you will get normals, mojaves, lessers, and BELs from the Mojave/Lesser BEL X Normal breeding).

If cinnamon and black pastel were the same gene, this breeding would produce 100% black pastel/cinnamon-looking animals which should be an intergrade between the two morphs. If cinnamon and black pastel are allelic, then this breeding would produce normals, cinnamons, and black pastels which will all be distinct from one another.

Since it's been widely stated that cinnamon and black pastel are allelic, I have to assume that this breeding has already been done.

So, it's not a matter of opinion at all--it's either one or the other, genetically, and will be definitive when proven (if it hasn't been already).

Ok I guess I should specify if it is a black pewter or a cinnamon pewter!!

But when most people say pewter it is a cinnamon pewter, just like saying cinnamon pastel=cinnamon!!!

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Originally Posted by tjones

Ok I guess I should specify if it is a black pewter or a cinnamon pewter!!

But when most people say pewter it is a cinnamon pewter, just like saying cinnamon pastel=cinnamon!!!

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Exactly.
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

The breeding that will reveal if cinnamon and black pastel are variants of the same gene or are allelic would be to breed a cinnamon/Black Pastel (super) to a normal. The resulting offspring should show the same pattern that you seen when you breed a mojave/lesser (BEL super) to a normal (that is, you will get normals, mojaves, lessers, and BELs from the Mojave/Lesser BEL X Normal breeding).

If cinnamon and black pastel were the same gene, this breeding would produce 100% black pastel/cinnamon-looking animals which should be an intergrade between the two morphs. If cinnamon and black pastel are allelic, then this breeding would produce normals, cinnamons, and black pastels which will all be distinct from one another.

Since it's been widely stated that cinnamon and black pastel are allelic, I have to assume that this breeding has already been done.

So, it's not a matter of opinion at all--it's either one or the other, genetically, and will be definitive when proven (if it hasn't been already).

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I'm not sure I agree on the part I bolded in your post.

Surely if they are alleles then the "super" parent can only pass on either the cinnamon or the black pastel gene from the pair - no normals should be possible as both are visible morphs.

Normals should only be possible if they were not allelic but the super was, in fact, the result of a combo of two genes at different locations.


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