Petland kills bunnys

Has anyone heard about this yet? I was guessing this would be where its at... maby.. idk. it could already be on here this site just not in the off topic section...

http://www.woio.com/global/video/fla...A&rnd=81126614

^ news clips

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/0...te_petland.php

"Petland" does not kill rabbits.
That one employee killed rabbits. That does not mean the entire company does it.

Not to mention, I'd trust Petland over PETA any day...

Also, after reading PETA's article on the matter, it sounds like a lot of fishy information that they could be highly over-exaggerating.

Saw PETA in the link...not even going to bother clicking it.

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Originally Posted by The Albino

Saw PETA in the link...not even going to bother clicking it.

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Ditto.

Petland is a horrible place. They support puppy mills.:(

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Originally Posted by carrieres102584

Petland is a horrible place. They support puppy mills.:(

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That is not necessarily true and is kind of implementing that they are the only pet store to do so. Over the last 5 years Petland has gone through a couple major ownership changes. The original owner was highly supportive of puppy mills. The most recent one, not as much, but just like any other chain petstore, uses them. I'm not saying I support using them at all, but don't just blame petland, blame all chain pet stores that sell cats or dogs.

This is pretty close to my house.

If she did drown the rabbits, she should be charged. Unless someone found a policy from Petland saying "The way to euthanize rabbits is drowning", it's not the store's fault that she drowned rabbits.
I don't support any pet store that buys from puppy mills(and that's almost all of them). So for me, all the Petland's I've seen that carry pups are not on my list of places to frequant OR buy from. If someone wants a puppy, I can usually refer them around to breeders rather than pet stores.

Ditto on the peta link, didn't bother to click it.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

"Petland" does not kill rabbits.
That one employee killed rabbits. That does not mean the entire company does it.

Not to mention, I'd trust Petland over PETA any day...

Also, after reading PETA's article on the matter, it sounds like a lot of fishy information that they could be highly over-exaggerating.

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I know but doesnt it grab your attention. :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

"Petland" does not kill rabbits.
That one employee killed rabbits. That does not mean the entire company does it.

Not to mention, I'd trust Petland over PETA any day...

Also, after reading PETA's article on the matter, it sounds like a lot of fishy information that they could be highly over-exaggerating.

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Look up Petland on youtube i will never buy from petco or petland again :( its kinda sad what goes on !

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

If she did drown the rabbits, she should be charged. Unless someone found a policy from Petland saying "The way to euthanize rabbits is drowning", it's not the store's fault that she drowned rabbits.
I don't support any pet store that buys from puppy mills(and that's almost all of them). So for me, all the Petland's I've seen that carry pups are not on my list of places to frequant OR buy from. If someone wants a puppy, I can usually refer them around to breeders rather than pet stores.

Ditto on the peta link, didn't bother to click it.

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Yeah but in the news video all they say about the girl who did it is "FIRED" they dont say that she got any other punishment. Thats still messed up. Even if the store didnt want her to kill the bunnies... she still killed their pets... so they SHOULD be doing something else.

yet peta condones throwing puppys from bridges and putting them down for no reason

PETA always glosses over the FACT that they kill pets every year. www.petakillsanimals.com

The girl might still get charged with cruelty to animals. It's not always instantaneous charges are brought against someone. They have to have proof that she drowned the rabbits, and proof that she was not ordered to do so by the store, etc etc. It's not like the TV shows where they just slap cuffs on someone and put in charges against them.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

That is not necessarily true and is kind of implementing that they are the only pet store to do so. Over the last 5 years Petland has gone through a couple major ownership changes. The original owner was highly supportive of puppy mills. The most recent one, not as much, but just like any other chain petstore, uses them. I'm not saying I support using them at all, but don't just blame petland, blame all chain pet stores that sell cats or dogs.

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YouTube - Petland Investigation: Pet Store Sells Puppy Mill Dogs

They aren't the only ones that support puppy mills but they do a good majority of it.

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Originally Posted by carrieres102584

They aren't the only ones that support puppy mills but they do a good majority of it.

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and yet another supposed animals rights group that supports mass slaughter of animals.
oh yea and to add perhaps they should be going after the usda for not closing them down.

Peta is messed up. They think dogs are better of dead then to be our pets. I know my dogs are pretty spoiled so I not sure how she would be better off dead.

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Peta is messed up. They think dogs are better of dead then to be our pets. I know my dogs are pretty spoiled so I not sure how she would be better off dead.

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Yup. They're also against vaccinations and altering pets (spaying and neutering). Peta and their supporters have no love for me. -clings to her animals-

PETA has turned just annoying over the last decade. All that they stand for has become wrong and horrible. They should be shut down, along with Petsmart, Petland, and Petco. All the stores starting with Pet should be! JK, but from my knowledge, this seems true.

People
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Originally Posted by carrieres102584

YouTube - Petland Investigation: Pet Store Sells Puppy Mill Dogs

They aren't the only ones that support puppy mills but they do a good majority of it.

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I personally would love to know what happened to the "thousands" of dogs the HSUS rescued. :rolleyes:


dr del

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Hi,



I personally would love to know what happened to the "thousands" of dogs the HSUS rescued. :rolleyes:


dr del

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just check the nearest vet im sure they have lots of freezers full of them

I have had personal experience with a Petland in the past, it is thankfully shutdown now. I took in 14 syrian hamsters and a couple dwarf hamsters over a period of about a month straight from the store. The animals were overcrowded and fighting badly. They had bad wounds and two were missing an eye. The open cages allowed people to constantly bother the nocturnal animals and the one dwarf was psychotic. One employee admitted that they don't seperate males and females but it didn't matter cause they could use the pinkies for snake feed. That means the snakes you would buy would be conditioned for hamsters and if you buy a female hamster it would be pregnant but they didn't seem to understand the problems their actions could cause. The employees weren't trained at all, they barely even seemed to know the basics of the animals they cared for. At least they were willing to give the injured unsellable adults to me but I think its because they were taking up room in the back and they didn't have any snakes large enough at the time. When I would walk in and the employees were asking me questions that is a really bad sign.

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PETA has turned just annoying over the last decade. All that they stand for has become wrong and horrible. They should be shut down, along with Petsmart, Petland, and Petco. All the stores starting with Pet should be! JK, but from my knowledge, this seems true.

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The Petsmart where I live have dogs and cats from local shelters up for adoption. The majority of them have animals in good shape. I can't really say anything good about their cricket handling skills though.

The thread title is 110% false/misleading. Petland doesn't kill bunnies, an employee killed bunnies. And I did click on the PETA site to the article and they had more information on it. The employee has been charged with animal cruelty and the pet shop was shut down.

That being said, the Petland near me is disgusting. Their tanks always have excess poop in them, reptiles always look dehydrated and frequently have partial sheds stuck to them. Fish tanks always have a dead fish or two that are decomposing. Smells bad, uninformed employees (I heard one tell a lady she could feed a cornsnake crickets if feeding mice made her queasy). So maybe there are OK ones, but my experience with them is terrible.

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Originally Posted by carrieres102584

Peta is messed up. They think dogs are better of dead then to be our pets. I know my dogs are pretty spoiled so I not sure how she would be better off dead.

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First off, I'm no PETA supporter. I do think they're a bunch of hypocrites who have swam well past the deep end.

However, that being said, your comment is 100% false. That's not PETA's stance at all. Sure there are some crazies in the organization that might believe that, but the organization doesn't. NPR interviewed their founder a week or so ago and I caught most of it (good interview actually, worth listening too even if you don't like them). And she talked about how so many of their stances have been misrepresented. Including what you assert.

Like I said, I'm not fan, but lets not mischaracterize their positions.

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

The thread title is 110% false/misleading. Petland doesn't kill bunnies, an employee killed bunnies. And I did click on the PETA site to the article and they had more information on it. The employee has been charged with animal cruelty and the pet shop was shut down.

That being said, the Petland near me is disgusting. Their tanks always have excess poop in them, reptiles always look dehydrated and frequently have partial sheds stuck to them. Fish tanks always have a dead fish or two that are decomposing. Smells bad, uninformed employees (I heard one tell a lady she could feed a cornsnake crickets if feeding mice made her queasy). So maybe there are OK ones, but my experience with them is terrible.

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I know. But i think thats what it says on all the news sites.

Thats not the first time of stuff like that tho i heard about a local pet shop in a mall that killed puppies in a garbage compactor machine type thing.

There are ALWAYS dead fish in the fish tanks. Its probably because they have like 50 in a 10 gallon tank....

Regardless of the fact that a single employee killed the rabbits,first A manager watched and took the picture, secondly the news reports seem to try to gloss over the fact that it was poor conditions in the store that led to the rabbits needing to be put down.
There are numerous people on this forum that take better care of their feeders than some of these stores are caring for animals they want to sell as pets. Explain to little Suzy why her birthday present died suddenly of internal injuries sustained in a fight, or little Johnny why his new ball python is starving to death because it was conditioned to eat hamsters.
How many of these stores have injured animals "in the back" that nobody sees, and a lot of employees won't report them cause they can't afford to lose their job. These stores simply are not regulated enough, and USDA regulations are not much help since last I knew a syrian hamster was only required to have like a 3x5 inch space or something ridiculously tiny per animal.And if asked about a skinny snake they can claim it is being offered food but won't eat.

well, i guess this backs up the fact that you should buy everything from a breeder, or get it from a shelter. :rolleyes:

Good point with the manager or what ever taking the picture... Thats just messed up that they kill animals the have because they didnt even take care of them. Why get them in the first place. :(

PETA is against keeping animals as pets, and does kill over 90% of all pets it takes in. That's fact.
The head of the organization will say whatever it takes for them to continue taking in tons of money that they can use to restrict animal ownership even MORE than they already are.
Frankly PETA is NOT a non-profit, and is a bunch of hypocrites that fanatically want to take away every animal of any use, right down to the last kid's hamster and the last food animal. All you have to do is look at their campaigns, instead of listening to the head person who's already a proven liar.

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I know. But i think thats what it says on all the news sites.

Thats not the first time of stuff like that tho i heard about a local pet shop in a mall that killed puppies in a garbage compactor machine type thing.

There are ALWAYS dead fish in the fish tanks. Its probably because they have like 50 in a 10 gallon tank....

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Yeah, its unfortunate that these petshops/companies just view the animals as $$$ and not as animals.

I avoid them at all costs, I only go to pet shops to buy supplies, like aspen.

And you're right about the fish, always over crowded. Its sad because then you see people who do the same thing with their fish tank at home and think "Geeze, the pet store had 75 fish in a tank this size, how come all of mine keep dying?"

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

PETA is against keeping animals as pets, and does kill over 90% of all pets it takes in. That's fact.
The head of the organization will say whatever it takes for them to continue taking in tons of money that they can use to restrict animal ownership even MORE than they already are.
Frankly PETA is NOT a non-profit, and is a bunch of hypocrites that fanatically want to take away every animal of any use, right down to the last kid's hamster and the last food animal. All you have to do is look at their campaigns, instead of listening to the head person who's already a proven liar.

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That's not all. They don't even want you to have dogs or cats as pets.

PETA is full of a bunch of idiots. I do not trust a thing that comes out of their mouth.

However, I also try to support local shops instead of chain pet stores. I make it a point to visit the pet stores and check out how they treat their animals before I do any business with them. If it is a petland or petco and they are doing everything right for the animals then I really do not have a problem buying from them, but for the most part I stick to the mom and pop shops, unless they are treating the animals badly.

As for dogs and cats, I will only get them from either a shelter or a breeder. Their are plenty of fine dogs at the shelter that need a good home.

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Originally Posted by DM1975

PETA is full of a bunch of idiots. I do not trust a thing that comes out of their mouth.

However, I also try to support local shops instead of chain pet stores. I make it a point to visit the pet stores and check out how they treat their animals before I do any business with them. If it is a petland or petco and they are doing everything right for the animals then I really do not have a problem buying from them, but for the most part I stick to the mom and pop shops, unless they are treating the animals badly.

As for dogs and cats, I will only get them from either a shelter or a breeder. Their are plenty of fine dogs at the shelter that need a good home.

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i dont know about your shelter but all the ones here require donations and all of them to my knowledge are kill shelters... including the no-kill shelter in tinley park, ILL

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i dont know about your shelter but all the ones here require donations and all of them to my knowledge are kill shelters... including the no-kill shelter in tinley park, ILL

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I would rather rescue an animal from a shelter, and keep it from being put down, even if paying a donation, than to get one from a pet store. There are plenty of animals out there that need homes for me to buy from a place that even might support puppy mills.

Also, all pet stores I have gone to that sell puppies sell them for way more than any donation at a shelter.

I have no problem with the donation or adoption fee at shelters. They have to support the place somehow. Besides, if people ONLY want a free puppy, they don't associate value with it, or don't want to spend necasary $$ on things like vet care, proper food, etc etc.
I also don't have that big a problem with kill shelters. I've been to two no-kills that are horrible, because they are overcrowded, and still take in animals, have dogs who are aggro and attack other animals, have old dogs who really should be put down due to health, and only tout that they never put down an animal. It's a sad fact, but sometimes there IS no home for a dog or cat. Stuffing them into a small cage or overcrowded run for years isn't a good thing in all cases.

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I would rather rescue an animal from a shelter, and keep it from being put down, even if paying a donation, than to get one from a pet store. There are plenty of animals out there that need homes for me to buy from a place that even might support puppy mills.

Also, all pet stores I have gone to that sell puppies sell them for way more than any donation at a shelter.

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yet your donation goes to killing of more animals. my point here is the majority of the donation goes towards putting perfectly healthy animals to death without reason...i would never get an animal from a kill shelter and pay any type of donation. now if its a shelter that didnt kill their animals then i would donate without issue

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Originally Posted by nixer

yet your donation goes to killing of more animals. my point here is the majority of the donation goes towards putting perfectly healthy animals to death without reason...i would never get an animal from a kill shelter and pay any type of donation. now if its a shelter that didnt kill their animals then i would donate without issue

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You have a lot of assumptions in you. Most kill shelters I have been to only put down sick, old, or too agressive of animals. I have been to others that have time limits for killing them as well, but not all of them are the auschwitz that you are making them out to be.

Also, you are saying that any dog that goes to a shelter is not worth it to save? How twisted is that?

Also, buying from pet stores that buy from puppy mills creates even more dogs out there to possibly go homeless.

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Originally Posted by DM1975

You have a lot of assumptions in you. Most kill shelters I have been to only put down sick, old, or too agressive of animals. I have been to others that have time limits for killing them as well, but not all of them are the auschwitz that you are making them out to be.

Also, you are saying that any dog that goes to a shelter is not worth it to save? How twisted is that?

Also, buying from pet stores that buy from puppy mills creates even more dogs out there to possibly go homeless.

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actually i do not around here there have been alot of complaints of animals being put down for no reported reasons and its been getting worse.


i didnt say its not worth it. it is worth it but what your doing is just supporting the for mentioned practice.

i have never bought any dog or cat from any pet store.. but i have picked up more than my share of ones ppl dump on our farm

If the shelter in your area is killing animals for no reason then that is a problem that needs to be dealt with, but is anecdotal at best.

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Originally Posted by DM1975

If the shelter in your area is killing animals for no reason then that is a problem that needs to be dealt with, but is anecdotal at best.

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yes and 2 of them are hsus shelters

HSUS, that explains a lot.

Like I said, the no-kill shelters around here are the horrible ones. The kill shelters while they do euthanize animals, are much better about trying to adopt out pets, trying to keep them in good clean circumstances, better about giving proper vet care when needed.. etc.

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HSUS, that explains a lot.

Like I said, the no-kill shelters around here are the horrible ones. The kill shelters while they do euthanize animals, are much better about trying to adopt out pets, trying to keep them in good clean circumstances, better about giving proper vet care when needed.. etc.

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wolfy im not arguing that some are bad places, but the only supposed no kill shelter around here kills more animals than the hsus and im not talking strays or agressive animals.. the last complaint i saw was from a rescue that gave them 12 puppies which where in foster homes for over a year and they killed them all.. and this is 7 or 8 different rescues from down south that brought them up here because its easier to find homes in a well populated area as the chicago area

Yep, HSUS is someone I will not deal with. They are not the only people who run shelters though. Again, that is not the case with all shelters, and most good shelters do everything within their power to adopt out their animals to good homes. Yes, in your case someone might be dumping dogs out on your property, but for most people, a shelter is way better of an option than buying a $3-400.00 mutt from petland that just continues to support adding more animals into an already overcrowded world of unwanted dogs and cats.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

PETA is against keeping animals as pets, and does kill over 90% of all pets it takes in. That's fact.
The head of the organization will say whatever it takes for them to continue taking in tons of money that they can use to restrict animal ownership even MORE than they already are.
Frankly PETA is NOT a non-profit, and is a bunch of hypocrites that fanatically want to take away every animal of any use, right down to the last kid's hamster and the last food animal. All you have to do is look at their campaigns, instead of listening to the head person who's already a proven liar.

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:( Thats messed up. Alot. And id believe it.

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Yeah, its unfortunate that these petshops/companies just view the animals as $$$ and not as animals.

I avoid them at all costs, I only go to pet shops to buy supplies, like aspen.

And you're right about the fish, always over crowded. Its sad because then you see people who do the same thing with their fish tank at home and think "Geeze, the pet store had 75 fish in a tank this size, how come all of mine keep dying?"

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Yeah they should ALL stop selling live stuff, since all they want is money, -just stick with things you dont have to worry about dying/going bad/ knowing anything about.

lol ive never seen someones fish tank that croweded, we used to have fish we got from pet stores and the most we had was like 6 in a 10 gallon. But they were all small

Nixer I wasn't trying to argue that the ones near you were good. I was more trying to say that you have to judge each shelter on it's own merits. Around you, the no kill shelters are best. Around me the no-kill shelters are hell-holes for animals.

Just because it's a no-kill doesn't mean it's good, nor does the opposite prove true either. Judge each shelter on what they do, and how they keep the animals.

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Originally Posted by nixer

yet your donation goes to killing of more animals. my point here is the majority of the donation goes towards putting perfectly healthy animals to death without reason...

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I have volunteered for a kill shelter for over 7 years and a big reason to put down animals is there are not enough homes for them and not enough money to care for them all. Choices have to be made and yes there have been times where I have helped to make those decisions.
My shelter is surrounded by several no-kill shelters and do you know what happens to the healthy animals that those no-kill shelters are turning away in favor of the unadoptable ones they keep for years? I have heard from volunteers at these other shelters of animals that have died of old age waiting 10years or more in these no-kill shelters for homes while young healthy animals are turned away. Most of those that are turned away are either dumped on the roadside by careless owners(many dieing or are bought into the kill shelter as strays), or are bought to the nearest kill shelter to add to the already high number of animals the kill shelter has to deal with. The majority of the animals still die the people at the no-kill shelters just don't have to deal with the burden, the burden is passed onto the shoulders of the employees and volunteers at a kill shelter. I have seen more than 30 cats come in in a single day before during kitten season and there just are not that many new homes everyday to adopt them.
If people still have a problem with kill shelters then help the rescues that pull animals from kill shelters and only euthenize for severe health issues such as feline HIV,and not for space, just pick a good rescue one that has reasonable adoption rates and not the ones that have the really high gouging rates. Some rescues are better than others as with all things. I work with a lovely rescue near me that helps as much as they can and cares about the animals first but even they are limited by the number of donations to how many animals they can help each year.

Careful, you might get stoned on here for that.

But I agree with what you are saying completely.

Let's cry more about things dying.

ANIMALS NEVER DIE. We must save every sick thing ever!

Personally, if an animal is humanely euthanized, I think that's 100x better than any form of abuse.
But no, death is TERRIBLE and the animals must live even when they overpopulate and end up suffering anyways.

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wolfy im not arguing that some are bad places, but the only supposed no kill shelter around here kills more animals than the hsus and im not talking strays or agressive animals.. the last complaint i saw was from a rescue that gave them 12 puppies which where in foster homes for over a year and they killed them all.. and this is 7 or 8 different rescues from down south that brought them up here because its easier to find homes in a well populated area as the chicago area

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You've been throwing out a lot of information with little to back yourself up with. Have any articles or facts backing your information up?
12 Puppies in foster homes. Maybe they had a disease or weren't suitable for adoption?
I haven't heard anything like that around Chicago. There's no real thing as a 'no-kill' shelter. All shelters have to euthanize animals under multiple circumstances. I've been to a lot of shelters and volunteered at many in the Chicagoland area. Haven't heard any of these 'horror' stories.
So please, enlighten us.

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Careful, you might get stoned on here for that.

But I agree with what you are saying completely.

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People can not like what I am saying but I have seen the behind the scenes for a long time and those who have not seen it personally need to hear it from the horses mouth as it were.
Do you know how hard it is to help decide which to keep/foster knowing what that ultimately means for the others that are not chosen? The biggest reason I keep going back is that by doing nothing I save none, by helping and grooming and fostering I save more of those than would have made it out otherwise. Its those that make it all worth it. Its those like the 2 little kittens I hand raised from 3 weeks old that are now 10 months one of which has a lovely home that I still get updates from and the other that is fostered with me and all the others I have helped to save over the years that make it worth it to keep trying. I may not be able to save them all but there are animals that have been saved by my actions and thats enough for me

As for the donation issue, from what I have seen in the past 7 years of my own personal experience,the majority of any donation goes toward the care of animals while they are looking for a home, rather in the shelters, the rescues, or fostering. It does not go towards the killing of animals. And if someone does not want to donate money for that fear they can always donate supplies. Food, cat litter, bleach, flea medications(some that come in are absolutely infested, I once used a quarter of a bottle of flea shampoo on a German shepherd that had horror movie amounts of fleas), are always appreciated. And lord knows I would be over the moon for a pair of those expensive electric grooming clippers. I have killed so many pairs of the cheap electric clippers that are made for home use in the past 7 years at the shelter and with my own fosters. Find out what is needed and donate that, trust me they will be glad to tell you what supplies they need most.

I can't speak for all shelters I can only tell things from my own experience and perspective.

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Careful, you might get stoned on here for that.

But I agree with what you are saying completely.

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What would kaz get 'stoned' for?
Kazboots did nothing wrong. Not even in the slightest. :weirdface