Which pastel browns out alot?

I never get an answer when I go searching on the web. So here it goes. Which pastel browns out more?The Graziani, NERD, Blonde?I hope I got all the lines.

A pastel is a pastel. No line browns out more than another in my opinion. I've seen Nerd Lines brown and Blonde lines bright. It really depends on selective breeding and picking up a well chosen hatchling pastel.

I don't look for the lines, I look for the quality breeders and a quality animal.

It's not as much about the line then it is about the individual you pick, there is good looking and ugly looking pastels in every lines.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

It's not as much about the line then it is about the individual you pick, there is good looking and ugly looking pastels in every lines.

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You said it! Theres no more to it!

Daniel

It's an individual thing. Any Pastel regardless of it's line may be bright, dark or either fade or not. Pastels existed in nature, they weren't created by breeding.

Ok thanks for the info but then how do you determine a good quality pastel(without looking at its parents)

any orange on a pastel will turn into brown when it is an adult. without seeing the parents it would be hard though. if you are at an expo or something, just look for the brightest yellow pastel you can find (with the least orange/brown) you can find.

hope this helps,

I agree, it's more about the individual snake! I don't even know my pastel's line, since I got him from a small breeder around here (and forgot to ask). But his color is still beautiful at around a year old, and only seems to be getting brighter - plus his blushing is crazy nice. So just find one you like, and don't worry about the genetics. ;)

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Ok thanks for the info but then how do you determine a good quality pastel(without looking at its parents)

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I guess you just have to use your judgment... if it makes you go WOW, it's probably a nice one. ;) Here's how my pastel looked when I first got him, and how he looks today (a few months later). I loved his broken/random pattern, and the contrast of the yellow with his light blushing. Maybe others won't agree, but I think he's a good example of the morph?

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/DSCF5154.jpg

Three months later... (with some missing scales from his last shed)
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/DSCF6345.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/DSCF6352.jpg

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I guess you just have to use your judgment... if it makes you go WOW, it's probably a nice one. ;) Here's how my pastel looked when I first got him, and how he looks today (a few months later). I loved his broken/random pattern, and the contrast of the yellow with his light blushing. Maybe others won't agree, but I think he's a good example of the morph?

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/DSCF5154.jpg

Three months later... (with some missing scales from his last shed)
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/DSCF6345.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/DSCF6352.jpg

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Awesome Pastel! I think he is a really neat example of the morph!Thats definitely what I am looking for in a pastel! But I am in a bit of a dilemma. I like the orange on pastels but then I have read that is the part that usually browns out, but I like pastels with a lot of orange. I guess I can just get a pastel with no orange and lots of blushing, like yours. Besides, your own is SWEET!:gj:

Toby says thanks! I personally prefer yellow & blushing over orange... come to think of it, most pastels I see are more yellow in color. Btw, I got mine from a breeder here in Northern CA - he probably ships, so I can give you his number if you'd like. ;)

Like people have said, each individual is different, and orange/brown on a baby is something that will darken with age. Here are two more examples of changing in two very different pastels for you.

First is PB. I think he is a Grazi line but he might also be a Bell line. Since I got him he had browned out a bit along his spine, but at nearly 900 grams and almost three years old I think he is a fine looking pastel.

When I first got him at 150 grams. Notice you can already see he is a bit darker along his back.:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...astelHeart.jpg

A few months ago, at around 800 grams or so:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...lbum/PB1-1.jpg

Next is Banana, a pastel het for hypo who has what I would call a more 'blond' color. She is around 500 grams in this picture:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...um/Banana4.jpg

And here she is now, around 1200 grams. Notice her color is essentially the same:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...m/Banana-1.jpg

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Toby says thanks! I personally prefer yellow & blushing over orange... come to think of it, most pastels I see are more yellow in color. Btw, I got mine from a breeder here in Northern CA - he probably ships, so I can give you his number if you'd like. ;)

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Cool! PM me about that please!

Look for the most blushed out head that you can and the least amount of orange for a pastel that is likely to hold its color the best into adulthood.

Lemons do tend to go through an ugly duckling stage before they turn into swans though.

Here's my lemon pastel male at 3 years old.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ston/Winny.jpg

And here's a progression of his babies:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4133.jpg

See the super blushed head?
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4122.jpg

After first shed:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...telFemale4.jpg

A little later:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4521.jpg

Even later:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4615.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4618.jpg

Color starting to come in:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4752.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4757.jpg

And for the most updated pictures of her, go to my website (linked in my signature) and go to The Nest and you can see what she looks like today.

What remains consistent in her pictures is the super duper blushed head. When I look at pastels at shows, I pass over the ones with heads with little to no blushing. The uber faded heads are the ones that will be show stoppers as adults.

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Look for the most blushed out head that you can and the least amount of orange for a pastel that is likely to hold its color the best into adulthood.

Lemons do tend to go through an ugly duckling stage before they turn into swans though.

Here's my lemon pastel male at 3 years old.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ston/Winny.jpg

And here's a progression of his babies:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4133.jpg

See the super blushed head?
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4122.jpg

After first shed:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...telFemale4.jpg

A little later:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4521.jpg

Even later:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4615.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4618.jpg

Color starting to come in:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4752.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_4757.jpg

And for the most updated pictures of her, go to my website (linked in my signature) and go to The Nest and you can see what she looks like today.

What remains consistent in her pictures is the super duper blushed head. When I look at pastels at shows, I pass over the ones with heads with little to no blushing. The uber faded heads are the ones that will be show stoppers as adults.

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THANK YOU! Know I know what to look for at the next expo!

Thanx for the pics.

The picture labeled as "Color starting to come in" do you know what age that is? Im curious as my pastel still very young. :)

I didn't date it - but generally I started seeing them progressively getting more yellow after the 5th shed.

at three months

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...2/7/766019.jpg

year and a half later

YouTube - Pastel Ball Python

This is the brother of that female that Robin posted.. :D

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ictures018.jpg

are all pastel lines with each other compatible? i mean when i breed a graziani line pastel to a blond pastel- do i get a superform which is a combo lookin animal of theses lines, or do i get a graziani, a blond, and normals?

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are all pastel lines with each other compatible? i mean when i breed a graziani line pastel to a blond pastel- do i get a superform which is a combo lookin animal of theses lines, or do i get a graziani, a blond, and normals?

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every single pastel line (besides cinny/black and enchi) are all compatible. thats why a pastel is just a pastel, giving it a line is just a marketing tool.