What have i gotten myself into

Well i thought i was ready for a bigger snake. So i picked up a 8 foot burmese/rock(owner says) python. I fed him once and as i was looking into his cage he struck at the plexi glass in a effort to eat my face. Im not going to give up on this snake, but i have admit that im a little put back. Im looking for any advice that yall can give me on handling a some what aggressive snake. I havent really handled him yet beside putting him into his tank. All my husbandry is correct, he is in the proper sized tank 6x2x2. Should i just go in and handle him and deal with the bites? Or should i take a different approach.

You probably weren't ready for him yet.

If you're really determined, wear gloves when handling and feeding. Maybe it's too much for you and you should get rid of it.

Later, Matt

I don't own the giants, but I believe that the rule of thumb is that once 8' or larger, you should always have someone else who is knowledgeable about handling snakes to be present. Don't try to handle by yourself.

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You probably weren't ready for him yet.

If you're really determined, wear gloves when handling and feeding. Maybe it's too much for you and you should get rid of it.

Later, Matt

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Yea i already put gloves on order. The guy i got him from says that if i cant handle him then i can bring him back and trade him out for his smaller (6 foot) burmese. But i really dont want to give up. Im hoping that he was just in feeding mode and i got to close. IM going to give him a weeks break and cover his tank with a blanket. After that im going to try and take him out in short burst every day until we both get more comfortable with each other

If it turns out you still can't handle it, you DO know that a 6ft snake becomes an 8ft snake in no time, right?

Later, Matt

Of course it is a well known fact that snakes only bite on the hands. Therefore your wearing gloves will completely protect you from any bite by a snake you know basically nothing about.

Sounds good.

I have no doubt we'll be seeing news reports in no time, doubtless with headlines something akin to: New Snake Owner Strangled by Pet Python quickly followed by, No one can understand how it happened, he was wearing gloves.....

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After that im going to try and take him out in short burst every day until we both get more comfortable with each other

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Do you have a second handler to be with you when you do these "short bursts"? This really isn't something to joke about with a larger constrictor. If you handle with no one else around who is comfortable with large constrictors, how do you plan to remove this animal from yourself if it decides to bite and constrict your arm, or gets a coil around your neck?

I'm really not trying to scare you - but you admit to having zero experience with large constrictors, and you got an 8 footer.

The best thing that would be for you if you wanted a snake that got rather large would be to purchase the snake you wanted (Burm, Retic, Anaconda, Rock, etc.) as a hatchling or juvenile. When you get a snake that's older, it's harder for them to get used to your scent and become used to human contact. If it was a baby, the biting wouldn't hurt no more than a pinch (when my female bit me it only felt like a pinch) and obviously it doesn't hurt one bit. Sometimes people can't even feel the bite. So it would have been best to go with a hatchling or juvenile while it's still small. The younger they are, and the more you handle, they may just get used to quicker than a sub adult or an adult would.

Well...



...Good Luck.

Got a picture? Could be a STRAIGHT Rock....

Which would be even more trouble....

I have absolute zero experience with any large snakes so take the advice of those that that do, especially having a helper. One thing I have read alot of though is that the larger pythons are "typically" always in feed mode when coming out of their cage, then settle right down once out if they are in fact a fairly non aggressive induvidual. Once that thing hits 16' or more it will be massively strong.

First mistake was starting with an 8 foot snake. Its best to start with a hatchling and working your way to raise it up. That way you and the snake get to know each other. And you relize your limits with it.

Second I doubt its a burm/rock theres only been a handleful produced and last time I saw them for sale they were insanly expensive. Rocks have a really bad rep but Ive seen many rocks that were just as nice as any other large snake.

Good luck with whatever you do just be careful. If you feel you can not handle the animal please find a responsible keeper that is ready to take on a large constrictor

I have a 6ft tiger retic he is a sweet baby but i still don't get him out by my self my husband is always there what ever you do if you don't think you can handle him Plz,Plz,Plz get him to some one who can and don't turn him loose in the wild. Good Luck

As Coolio Tiffany already stated you should have started off with a hatchling but thats not the case so there are a few things you can do. If you don't have a hook-get one. Everytime you go to get him out of the cage tap him lightly on the head then gently pull him over to the door of the cage with the hook and slowly take him out (take your time and don't make any quick movements)-over time he should begin to realize that the tap on the head means its time to come out. I know you said you have the proper husbandry but recheck his temps and make sure he's not to hot. You can cover his tank with a blanket but you can also try and cover half of the window with that blue painters tape so it will block off half the cage and give him a better sense of security (don't cover the whole thing then you won't be able to see him) or you can get him a hide-big cardboard boxes work well until they get on top of them and crush it. And as everyone else has already stated-have another person present when you handle him.

Io have some Pictures. I'm on my iPhone at the moment. I'll upload them when I get home. I have a hook already but I think I might need another one that's a little bit bigger. I think I might go ahead and trade it out for the smaller Burmese.

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Of course it is a well known fact that snakes only bite on the hands. Therefore your wearing gloves will completely protect you from any bite by a snake you know basically nothing about.

Sounds good.

I have no doubt we'll be seeing news reports in no time, doubtless with headlines something akin to: New Snake Owner Strangled by Pet Python quickly followed by, No one can understand how it happened, he was wearing gloves.....

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I don't know who you are but that's a really crappy thing to say. Yes I might be over my head but I'm attempting to see if I can find out a solution. I would prefer to keep the snake. Getting rid of it will be my very last resort. If you can help me out with advice I would prefer that you stay out of my threads. Your waisting bandwith and time with your iggnorant post. To everyone else. Thank you so far for your help

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I don't know who you are but that's a really crappy thing to say. Yes I might be over my head but I'm attempting to see if I can find out a solution. I would prefer to keep the snake. Getting rid of it will be my very last resort. If you can help me out with advice I would prefer that you stay out of my threads. Your waisting bandwith and time with your iggnorant post. To everyone else. Thank you so far for your help

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wilomn's post may of came off harsh but it is %100 correct. He is telling it how it is and it is hard for people to take it in but its the harsh reality. Nobody has any business having a giant if they are not %150 ready for one and have prior experience with one.

I don't own any giants but I hope I can give some grounded general advice.

First take a step back and look at why your wanting a "Big" snake. I think that if you have the ability and space to properly house and care for the animal good. Is it because you just want a "big" snake or do you really enjoy the species. If its the first reason get rid of it! Its a danger to the snake first hand foremost then you and others when kept for that reason. If you really enjoy the species start with a hatchling not a 6'-8' animal people that buy those size animals are one of two people (people that are or were giant owners or people that only want a "big" snake and don't wont to "wait 3 years for it to get that big). Just remember that Zoo's and pet stores do not take 15'+ snakes cause you can no longer feed and house it.

Second while your husbandry may be spot on are all of its requirements being met? Security is a big factor with all snakes. make sure that your offering it an environment that is both secure and keeper friendly.

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I don't know who you are but that's a really crappy thing to say. Yes I might be over my head but I'm attempting to see if I can find out a solution. I would prefer to keep the snake. Getting rid of it will be my very last resort. If you can help me out with advice I would prefer that you stay out of my threads. Your waisting bandwith and time with your iggnorant post. To everyone else. Thank you so far for your help

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IF your snake kills you because you made a mistake it WILL affect not only my, but everyone else who does it right, ability to keep them.

If you can't do it right, don't do it at all.

I don't care who you are, what you do, about you at all. I do care though, that by your ignorance and desire for self gratification, that you are making a mistake that will not have negative effects only on you.

Get a baby. Better yet, get a boa. Better yet, do some serious research.

Then, fill that chip on your shoulder in and become a productive member of the snake keeping community.

Remember your gloves though, they do guarentee your safety.

Before people get a giant python, they should handle a really pissed off 8 foot boa. Then, just imagine something that is at least twice the length and 5 times heavier, then decide if you still want a giant.

Robin
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Before people get a giant python, they should handle a really pissed off 8 foot boa. Then, just imagine something that is at least twice the length and 5 times heavier, then decide if you still want a giant.

Robin
H2 Exotics

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I think they should just handle a angry burm. People think its really cool to keep these animals but when they get big it becomes a workout just to do a simple cage cleaning.

I think someone wanted a "big" snake, and they wanted it NOW!!!!!!!!! Why else would anyone with no experience with large snakes jump in and buy an 8 ft. snake? Now they have bit off more than they can chew!!!!!! I agree with the above post. If that snake hurts him, or even worse, then it affects EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!

Wow I thought the point of this forum was to ask questions and receive help when needed. But just so you know the local reptile store owner is going to work with me on handling this giant snake. I'm disgusted with the way some of you have responded. Instead of talking crap and telling me I'm going to die. Why don't your try giving me advice on handling the situation. It's all good though. I'll keep you updated on how my snake is not killing me

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Wow I thought the point of this forum was to ask questions and receive help when needed. But just so you know the local reptile store owner is going to work with me on handling this giant snake. I'm disgusted with the way some of you have responded. Instead of talking crap and telling me I'm going to die. Why don't your try giving me advice on handling the situation. It's all good though. I'll keep you updated on how my snake is not killing me

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Why?
Because people have been killed because of ignorance and it gives the guys who want to ban our animals more leverage to actually ban them.
How much research did you really do? Why did you get an 8ft and not a baby?

Do you live alone?
I've been keeping for 4-5 years. I won't consider a Burmese python until I have the reliable space, experience, and knowledge (as well as another knowledgeable person always within reach).

You should never handle that snake by yourself. That IS going to get you killed if it's aggressive.
We're not trying to bash you down. Were just telling you the harsh truth. Your risking our entire hobby through ignorance as well as your life. That is something that should not be messed with.

The point of this forum is for knowledge. Yes it's for questions, but when we see something that could change our entire hobby as we know it, we're GOING to defend it.

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Why?
Because people have been killed because of ignorance and it gives the guys who want to ban our animals more leverage to actually ban them.
How much research did you really do? Why did you get an 8ft and not a baby?

Do you live alone?
I've been keeping for 4-5 years. I won't consider a Burmese python until I have the reliable space, experience, and knowledge (as well as another knowledgeable person always within reach).

You should never handle that snake by yourself. That IS going to get you killed if it's aggressive.
We're not trying to bash you down. Were just telling you the harsh truth. Your risking our entire hobby through ignorance as well as your life. That is something that should not be messed with.

The point of this forum is for knowledge. Yes it's for questions, but when we see something that could change our entire hobby as we know it, we're GOING to defend it.

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couldnt have said it better myself. Thank you! :bow:

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Wow I thought the point of this forum was to ask questions and receive help when needed. But just so you know the local reptile store owner is going to work with me on handling this giant snake. I'm disgusted with the way some of you have responded. Instead of talking crap and telling me I'm going to die. Why don't your try giving me advice on handling the situation. It's all good though. I'll keep you updated on how my snake is not killing me

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Sarcasm. The first retreat for those who know they done bad.

Look, it's fine to have wanted a big snake, it's fine to have bitten off more than you can chew, it happens all the time.

It is not fine to decide that because YOU made a mistake and YOU got all butthurt that YOU get to decide how others treat you. Not fine at all.

Just do things the proper way, get some experience, raise up a little one to a big one, go to bob clarks forum and see if there isn't someone in your area that has some big snakes that would be willing to let you help clean and feed a time or two or just come see them.

Pet store snakes are there for one of two reasons. Someone got a baby and it out grew them or it's just plain mean. Some of the snakes that just got too big weren't handled as much as they should have been because the previous owner was scared or for whatever reason didn't put in enough time to keep the snake friendly.

Find a breeder. Do yourself and all of us a favor and look before you leap.

I agree with you on how people act on here sometimes. Just take it for face value though. A lot of burmese keepers and breeders are on edge right now because they are about to have thier rights taken away due to somebody getting into something they couldn't handle. The trick to responsible handling, besides having a buddy present, is to read your animals. If you learn your animals inside and out you will be able to tell if they are shy, stressed, angry, deffensive or hungry. Learning your animals, especially ones that get huge, is something that you want to do when the are young. This being VERY inportant if you are a first time burmese owner. If you get bit, it doesn't necessarly prove to be fatal or near fatal. The mistake you made was buying a snake that is already big in which you don't really have to room to make mistakes in reading thier behavior. I can almost gaurantee you that the story is somewhat similar with all the other accidents involving big snakes. The reptile industry doesn't have any strikes left when it comes to big snakes and accidents. By the way, you might want to check into a snake that is less aggresive. Rocks are known for bad temperment. They are deffinately NOT beginner snakes. We are all hoping that you make the right decisions in this situation.:gj:

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The best thing that would be for you if you wanted a snake that got rather large would be to purchase the snake you wanted (Burm, Retic, Anaconda, Rock, etc.) as a hatchling or juvenile. When you get a snake that's older, it's harder for them to get used to your scent and become used to human contact. If it was a baby, the biting wouldn't hurt no more than a pinch (when my female bit me it only felt like a pinch) and obviously it doesn't hurt one bit. Sometimes people can't even feel the bite. So it would have been best to go with a hatchling or juvenile while it's still small. The younger they are, and the more you handle, they may just get used to quicker than a sub adult or an adult would.

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Ya, well, the issue is some snakes are just plain mean. Doesn't matter how much you handle them or how long you keep them. If the snake wants to be mean, it is going to be. The issue is 1. If the OP doesn't have a 2nd person to help handle it, He/She shound not have it. Period. 2. Even if he/she gets a baby or a juvi. A Burm/Rock is going to grow and be a 8 foot, or even bigger, in no time, even if the snake is "used to human contact" it is still a wild animal, and if you go in on feeding day, and the snake decides to take a chunk out of your face/arm/whatever. It is going too. If you don't have someone with experience with large snakes to help you out, get rid of it and get a different kind of python, one that, no matter how big it gets, it is still a one person snake. Sorry for the rant but people who can't take care of a big snake shouldn't have em, they're already trying to ban these snakes, the last thing we need is more people without a clue of what they're doing having a big snake.
Sorry for the sharp response, but like other people have touch on. A few people in this hobby who made a "mistake" and didn't know exactlly what they where getting themselves into has had far reaching effects on everybody. I made 20+ phone calls to congressmen/women do try and keep them from banning YOUR burm/rock. I don't own one, but we are all in this togeather. That is why you are getting some sharp responses. We are here to help you out, but we also have to make you realize what you are getting in too.

BTW, sorry for being a ass. It's not directed at you, I just had to vent. Wish you the best of luck.

I would like to think im a smart guy. I understand the dangers of owning a big snake. If this snake turns out to be something that i cant handle then me and the guy i got it from made arrangements to return it to him in trade for a smaller snake. To be honest thats what im leaning towards doing. Im a very responsible owner of all animals. I know how it is to own a animal that people think is aggressive and needs to be outlawed.

Bottom line is that im taking it day by day. If i find that i cant handle it, then it will go back to the previous owner who has no problem keeping it until the day it dies.


I understand how you guys feel, because i get the same way when people come onto the Pitbull forum and act stupid and naive. But what i try to do is educated them without being condesending or combative

Don't get mad at anyone. I did the same thing you did when I needed help with my ball python and people were just focusing on negatives. Even though I have never owned large snakes, I can tell you that just by analyzing the snake's body gestures and behaviors will help you from getting bit or constricted. Always have another person with you, preferably a man that also is knowledgeable with snakes that will help you get the snake out of its cage, put it back in, and watch your back. Anything over 8 ft. with massive girth, you should always have someone with you, maybe even two people. Common sense will prevent anything bad from happening. When your drunk, DON'T attempt to take out your snake, when you want to impress someone and show them your huge burmese, DON'T do it unless someone else is with you is knowledgeable with burms, and lastly, DON'T TRY AND TAKE IT OUT YOURSELF!

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How's that workin out for ya? Makin lots of new friends, are ya?

What you see as condensation my be something else entirely.

Provided, of course, that your outlook on life allows for the possibility of a mistake on your part.

So far, I don't see much of that. The allowing part that is, plenty of the other if you look.

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How's that workin out for ya? Makin lots of new friends, are ya?

What you see as condensation my be something else entirely.

Provided, of course, that your outlook on life allows for the possibility of a mistake on your part.

So far, I don't see much of that. The allowing part that is, plenty of the other if you look.

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Never said i didnt make a mistake by getting this animal. Im trying to see if i can fix the mistake first.

But im not here to argue, most of you have 10 times more experience with large snakes so i think at this point its time for me to shut my mouth and listen. But i will not give up as of yet. I asked for some tips and what i have gotten has been helpful so far

Did you not handle the snake at the friends house to see how the temper was?

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Never said i didnt make a mistake by getting this animal. Im trying to see if i can fix the mistake first.

But im not here to argue, most of you have 10 times more experience with large snakes so i think at this point its time for me to shut my mouth and listen. But i will not give up as of yet. I asked for some tips and what i have gotten has been helpful so far

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I'm not saying the way everyone here is treating you is ok, however you have to look at it from their standpoint.
Our hobby is in serious jeapordy already and the last thing we need is for another person who is not able to provide the proper home and care for a large snake to get themselves or someone else hurt.
Please be aware that by being completely unprepared for this snake, you have put yourself, the snake and our hobby in a potentially deadly situation.
If you do not have the knowladge, experience, equipment and means to care for this snake(you must have ALL of these things), you have no choice but to get rid of it. By keeping this snake you are only putting yourself and those around you in a very bad situation.

Please take a look at how serious this situation is, it is not to be taken lightly. The last thing any of us want is for you or someone else to end up dead, nobody wins if that happens. After reading all your posts, in my opinion, your only real option is to get rid of the snake. Getting the snake into the hands of someone who is more prepared to care for it is whats best for both you and the animal.

OP - You came asking for help/advice and the answer has been the same from everyone. Get rid of the snake you're not ready for it. Some may not express it quite as nicely as others but it's the same thing being repeated over and over again in reply after reply.

You seem to want "tips and tricks" on how to handle this snake and then for everyone to say "go for it, you're ready!" but no one is going to do that. You're not ready for it and the evidence for that is the fact that you had to come on ball-pythons.net asking what you've gotten yourself into. Your situation goes far beyond what someone can help you with online. You simply do not have enough experience to keep this snake without some serious on-site training/help.

You keep saying if you find it is too much for you then you'll get rid of it. The problem is that you most likely won't realize (or rather admit) it is too much for you until it's got a coil or two around your neck and you're blacking out.

Seriously go back to the person you got this snake from, give it back without asking for the 6 footer because in a few months it will be 8 foot. Just give this person back the snake and then punch them in the mouth. When they asked why you did that tell them because they are irresponsible and should have realized you had no business having that snake.

The title of the post says it all... If you have to ask, you're not ready. Thats that. Wilomn may not be the most cuddly person on the forum but he's usually right. I had my own little run in with him when I joined this forum a while ago too, but you have to look at it from our perspective. People like you buying 8 foot snakes are the reason there are bills like HR2811 and S737(#???), and that affects EVERYONE. It's time to suck it up and do whats best for the community not yourself. Sorry to put it so bluntly.

I can see both sides here. I too wanted to get a huge snake when I first started owning snakes. The OP is looking for advice here not bad-mouthing. And, saddly for the OP, the best advice we can give for owning a giant snake is to first have at least a few years experience under your belt.

this sounds to me like you want a burm but cant deal with the size or the agressiveness of one. i would suggest taking it back and either go with a real dwarf burm or stick to admiring them at the zoo or local shows. also big snakes and tanks dont exactly mix.

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Of course it is a well known fact that snakes only bite on the hands. Therefore your wearing gloves will completely protect you from any bite by a snake you know basically nothing about.

Sounds good.

I have no doubt we'll be seeing news reports in no time, doubtless with headlines something akin to: New Snake Owner Strangled by Pet Python quickly followed by, No one can understand how it happened, he was wearing gloves.....

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is this supposed to be funny?? or just jerkish??

what would you do? rob a knight and wear his armor??

i jsut dont get why people automatically make sarcastic remarks at people looking for help. sorry ahead of time if that was just a joke between friends but it seems willom has built himself/herself a reputation, with me at least, for being sarcastic and meritless.


anyways back to the op. id say your on the right track, take your time.

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i can only imagine what youve done before.

yall are right if you dont have experience you shouldnt get one. that goes with cars too, so in yalls opinion should noone have a car becaause some have killed with them? so if your inexperienced with cars you shouldnt start right. maybe starting off with a 8 footer wasnt the brightest move to you all but you dont know what situation this person is in. instead of down talking you should do everything to ensure he is properly knowledged bout this snake. might save a life.
or this hobby that you are so concerned about but arent willing to help out a guy who needs some.

Its too bad that you won't realize that you can't handle the task of taking care of this snake until it's too late. You have to look out for the safety of yourself and those around you. This is NOT a beginner snake that you have. If you don't have the experience, you shouldn't have the snake. Starting off with an 8 foot burm is NOT how you get experience, its how you get hurt. If you have any respect for yourself or the people around you, you will get rid of the snake.

To put it bluntly, if you take this animal out of its enclosure and it happens to be in a bad mood and decides you're a threat, it can very easily overpower you and kill you in the blink of an eye. You will not have time to run and call for help, you won't have time to really defend yourself. An 8 foot snake is no joke. If you cannot handle this snake now, its going to continue to grow and get even more out of hand. If you're having trouble now, wait until its even larger. When this snake is full grown you will need 3 or 4 people around just to take it out of its enclosure to clean the enclosure.

The title to your post says it all "What did I get myself into?". The worst part of it is, you have no idea just how bad your situation is. You seem to think that it's something you can fix and keep the snake. The only way to fix your situation is to get rid of the snake and get a baby.

Honestly you should start off with a baby redtail boa, or a ball python. They are great beginner snakes and grow to a nice size while still being manageable.

You're asking for advice, everyone is giving you advice, but you don't want to hear it. Get rid of this snake, and get a beginner breed! Don't exchange it for another burm or rock python. Giant snakes are not for people with only a limited amount of experience. That is the best advice you'll ever get, and its the advice you have been getting. Do your research on whatever species you choose to get BEFORE you get it.

Don't be too proud to admit that you cannot handle this, because if you don't realize it now, odds are the event that makes you realize it will be the one tha kills you. This ISN'T a game and your pride is going to get you into some serious trouble.

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yall are right if you dont have experience you shouldnt get one. that goes with cars too, so in yalls opinion should noone have a car becaause some have killed with them? so if your inexperienced with cars you shouldnt start right. maybe starting off with a 8 footer wasnt the brightest move to you all but you dont know what situation this person is in. instead of down talking you should do everything to ensure he is properly knowledged bout this snake. might save a life.
or this hobby that you are so concerned about but arent willing to help out a guy who needs some.

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With a car, you'll likely go through driver's ed, get your permit and drive with your parents, have your jr. license and not be able to be out late all before you have your real license.

You can relate this to a snake by starting with a beginner breed as a baby. Start off with something that cannot hurt you, learn all you can about it and take care of it, watch it grow, have it learn to trust you, learn to read its moods and when to leave it alone.

Plus you're relating a car(something that is necissary for living in the modern world) to having a pet(something that isn't necissary). Your argument holds no water and is in no way helpful to anyone.

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yall are right if you dont have experience you shouldnt get one. that goes with cars too, so in yalls opinion should noone have a car becaause some have killed with them? so if your inexperienced with cars you shouldnt start right. maybe starting off with a 8 footer wasnt the brightest move to you all but you dont know what situation this person is in. instead of down talking you should do everything to ensure he is properly knowledged bout this snake. might save a life.
or this hobby that you are so concerned about but arent willing to help out a guy who needs some.

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Well I think everyone is in agreement that the only thing that will help him is to get rid of the snake. He has no experience with burms yet he has an 8footer. The best thing for him to do would be to take it back and see if the guy he got it from will let him help out once or twice a week with the burms he owns. That will show him what he is about to get into. Once he does that for awhile he could maybe move on to getting a baby burm.

Also it has been asked and i may have missed the answer. But does the OP have someone who is knowledgeable that can help him out when it comes time to remove the burm from its enclosure? If not then i think the smartest thing to do would be to go ahead and get rid of it. No experience + pissed off burm can equal a bad ending.

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yall are right if you dont have experience you shouldnt get one. that goes with cars too, so in yalls opinion should noone have a car becaause some have killed with them? so if your inexperienced with cars you shouldnt start right. maybe starting off with a 8 footer wasnt the brightest move to you all but you dont know what situation this person is in. instead of down talking you should do everything to ensure he is properly knowledged bout this snake. might save a life.
or this hobby that you are so concerned about but arent willing to help out a guy who needs some.

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The OP should have done some research first before getting this snake. He's already shown he has no knowledge of large species by saying he's going to return this 8ft burm for a 6ft which is just going to grow to be an 8ft anyways.

I just have to say something....I have read countless posts of Wilomn making his sarcastic, witty remarks, trying so hard to get a reaction, and "thanks" from people. Do you REALLY think that is productive? Sad...but true, is that whenever someone is facing a problem, and another individual comes at them with sarcastic, witty, arrogant responses...they take almost nothing serious or to heart that the person has said,they brush off the advice, and it turns into just an argument, and over all makes the person feel really bad. We all make mistakes...and yes I really do believe the OP made a mistake...but he knows this. Life lesson learned...lets help him fix it before there is more of an opportunity for it to effect all of us in the herp world. It SHOULD be known to anyone to do research, real time handling, etc before taking on such a large snake...but in some cases that is just not going to happen. Luckily he came here for advice instead of just taking it on himself, getting hurt, and then it really affecting all of us.


Now, I really do think that the gloves comment was out of line. It could have been way more effective if you had just said to him that snakes can bite anywhere, not just hands, and that gloves aren't very useful. That would make him not feel so bad, and he would actually listen to what you are saying, and not brush you off as a trouble starter.


My advice to you OP, honestly, is to get rid of the snake, give it up to someone with experience, and who is fully confident, and ready to take on such a large snake , who may have a bad temperament. No matter what you say, you are not ready. And if you do take it back, and get a smaller Burmese...no one can help you..because you are not willing to help yourself! The smaller will get just as big as the one you have! If you REALLY want a large snake...find some people who have them, and start handling them, feeding them, observing them..etc. Please just take some time on getting a large one until you have had enough experience with them, and have done a lot of research.

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Originally Posted by Creeptastic

I just have to say something....I have read countless posts of Wilomn making his sarcastic, witty remarks, trying so hard to get a reaction, and "thanks" from people.

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Ohh gosh golly darn it, I've been found out again.

LOL

Or, perhaps, having had this conversation with a few thousand numbskulls I actually meant what I said when I said that I did NOT care one bit about this guy personally but I did have a care for what he could do to MY, and your, right to keep these snakes.

Let him get all butthurt. But I bet he'll never forget. Neither will you. Nor will countless others.

Who's more effective?

You, with your hugs and pats on the boo boos?

Possible, but unlikely.

By the way, talk about arrogant, how about someone ASS uming they know someone well enough to tell them how they think and why; amazing what some people say when contrasted with what they do.

Isn't it?

Get rid of the snake. Get a baby.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

You, with your hugs and pats on the boo boos?

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You leave me outta this!!! LOL :D:D

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

You leave me outta this!!! LOL :D:D

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I had a Pat the Boobs book when I was a kid...Pop up book with all kinds of textures..I like it!