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Hybrid Breeding?

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  • 07-23-2009, 12:38 PM
    Simpson Balls
    Hybrid Breeding?
    So I have just recently learned a tonne on Hybrid Breeding EX: GTP to JCP but I have heard alot of the time the female becomes egg bound because there 2 different speices. Now is there anything about breeding like a burm to a retic? I know that you can't breed something like a retic to a ball python but something that grows about the same length width etc. Is this safe to do? I have seen it be done but not sure if it is a safe idea. No I do not plan on doing anything like this, I plan on staying on the right track and doing red tail boa to red tail boa or ball python to ball python. Just wondering if it's worth doing. I know that big breeders like Ralph Davis and BHB don't do it.

    Daniel
  • 07-23-2009, 12:48 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    You'd be surprised what can be bred together. The ball python x burmese python hybrid was successful.

    And to answer one of your questions, yes the burm x retic hybrid has been done.
  • 07-23-2009, 12:49 PM
    luna13
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    i have heard of the retic to burm and its called a borneo bateater i believe
  • 07-23-2009, 12:50 PM
    luna13
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainbutter View Post
    You'd be surprised what can be bred together. The ball python x burmese python hybrid was successful.

    And to answer one of your questions, yes the burm x retic hybrid has been done.

    are there any pics of this
  • 07-23-2009, 12:51 PM
    Simpson Balls
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    WOW! So I could breed a Ball to green tree python?

    Daniel
  • 07-23-2009, 12:53 PM
    AaronP
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Simpson Balls View Post
    WOW! So I could breed a Ball to green tree python?

    Daniel

    I don't think anyone's tried, though I don't see why you would, they're 2 very very different species.
  • 07-23-2009, 12:54 PM
    luna13
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    i just saw the burmball for the first time WOW thats crazy
  • 07-23-2009, 01:14 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AaronP View Post
    I don't think anyone's tried, though I don't see why you would, they're 2 very very different species.

    Hybrids from two very different snake species, IMO at least, make the most interesting looking hybids, and are least likely to be mistaken as anything other than a hybrid (which is a good thing).

    Ball python x carpet python has been done. Carpet python x GTP has been done. I'm pretty sure that if you could get them to mate, ball python x GTP would stand a chance at producing living offspring.
  • 07-23-2009, 01:16 PM
    snakecharmer3638
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by luna13 View Post
    i have heard of the retic to burm and its called a borneo bateater i believe

    Here:

    http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...eferrerid=9278
  • 07-23-2009, 01:28 PM
    dc4teg
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    my most favorite was a Superball python which is a ball X blood but generally i am against hybrids the burmball looks pretty good too
  • 07-23-2009, 01:42 PM
    2kdime
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Not another Hybrid thread.....:tears:

    Hybrids are bad, mmmkkay
  • 07-23-2009, 01:57 PM
    matt71915
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Im pretty sure that BHB has done it, it was in one of his videos.
  • 07-23-2009, 02:25 PM
    LaFilleClochette
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 2kdime View Post
    Not another Hybrid thread.....:tears:

    Hybrids are bad, mmmkkay



    i think thats a matter of opinion - i think hybrids are pretty cool, you can get the coolest features of each animal- and for just pet purposes that could be an awesome animal :D

    but thats just my opinion
  • 07-23-2009, 02:30 PM
    2kdime
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Entirely just my opinion, of course.

    I've seen threads go way out of line when dealing with Hybrids therefore the tears.








    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LaFilleClochette View Post
    i think thats a matter of opinion - i think hybrids are pretty cool, you can get the coolest features of each animal- and for just pet purposes that could be an awesome animal :D

    but thats just my opinion

  • 07-23-2009, 02:35 PM
    Raptor
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    I love the idea of hybrids. If the offspring come out healthy, cool. If not, it's obviously not a cross that'll work.
  • 07-23-2009, 02:49 PM
    m00kfu
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by matt71915
    Im pretty sure that BHB has done it, it was in one of his videos.

    He's got a superball (blood x ball hybrid), but I don't think he produced it himself.
  • 07-23-2009, 03:01 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    I like the Idea of Hybrids too..

    but it should stop at CARS.

    Mucking up the already mucked up bloodline, makes it much much harder to find "pure" animals.

    Just becuase you CAN, doesnt mean you should.

    I like bears, and cats....

    Should I breed a bear and a cat together just for "Pets" purposes....please.

    Lamest reason ever!
  • 07-23-2009, 03:08 PM
    2kdime
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Preach!!





    Quote:

    Originally Posted by patrick long View Post
    i like the idea of hybrids too..

    But it should stop at cars.

    Mucking up the already mucked up bloodline, makes it much much harder to find "pure" animals.

    Just becuase you can, doesnt mean you should.

    I like bears, and cats....

    Should i breed a bear and a cat together just for "pets" purposes....please.

    Lamest reason ever!

  • 07-23-2009, 03:20 PM
    Raptor
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Patrick Long View Post
    I like the Idea of Hybrids too..

    but it should stop at CARS.

    Mucking up the already mucked up bloodline, makes it much much harder to find "pure" animals.

    Just becuase you CAN, doesnt mean you should.

    I like bears, and cats....

    Should I breed a bear and a cat together just for "Pets" purposes....please.

    Lamest reason ever!

    Well, considering that bears (family: Ursidae) and cats (family: Felidae) are in two completely different families, you wouldn't get anything even if you tried. Except for may two animals who liked each other/one became dinner/dead.
  • 07-23-2009, 03:33 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    We've been over the pros and cons of hybridization and everyone has their opinion. This thread was created by the OP to just find out some information simply because he was curious. We don't need to start another argument about hybrids, that's not the point of this thread.
  • 07-23-2009, 03:35 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mainbutter View Post
    We've been over the pros and cons of hybridization and everyone has their opinion. This thread was created by the OP to just find out some information simply because he was curious. We don't need to start another argument about hybrids, that's not the point of this thread.

    No it seems the point of this thread is to breed stuff together just to breed different species.:confused:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Simpson Balls View Post
    WOW! So I could breed a Ball to green tree python?

    Daniel

  • 07-23-2009, 03:43 PM
    Raptor
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    It could have easily been a hypothetical question.
  • 07-23-2009, 09:24 PM
    Simpson Balls
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Well Thats real cool I never knew there were so many different hybrids. And for the people that disagree you have your reasons but I don't think if you were to try to produce a hybrid there would be a high chance of something to go wrong. Ex: Egg bound etc.

    Daniel
  • 07-23-2009, 10:30 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Simpson Balls View Post
    Well Thats real cool I never knew there were so many different hybrids. And for the people that disagree you have your reasons but I don't think if you were to try to produce a hybrid there would be a high chance of something to go wrong. Ex: Egg bound etc.

    Daniel

    You DONT think that?

    Do you even know what you are spewing?


    There are more things that can go wrong that just being egg bound.
  • 07-23-2009, 10:40 PM
    harm286
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    like man are you guys serious. Many animals now are hybrids and are kept as well know'n pets, please! You dont like it den dont talk about it. Simple!
  • 07-23-2009, 11:20 PM
    Raptor
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harm286 View Post
    like man are you guys serious. Many animals now are hybrids and are kept as well know'n pets, please! You dont like it den dont talk about it. Simple!

    One that comes to mind is the mule. Other than being sterile (although, there are rare occurrences of them being fertile), no issues.
  • 07-23-2009, 11:25 PM
    harm286
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    One that comes to mind is the mule. Other than being sterile (although, there are rare occurrences of them being fertile), no issues.

    One I love so very much is a pitbull !
  • 07-23-2009, 11:27 PM
    wilomn
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Patrick Long View Post
    I like the Idea of Hybrids too..

    but it should stop at CARS.

    Mucking up the already mucked up bloodline, makes it much much harder to find "pure" animals.

    Just becuase you CAN, doesnt mean you should.

    I like bears, and cats....

    Should I breed a bear and a cat together just for "Pets" purposes....please.

    Lamest reason ever!

    What about the manbearpig? Huh?

    That thing was real. For real.

    So....thwphppppt to you Sir, thwphppppt to you.
  • 07-23-2009, 11:53 PM
    Raptor
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harm286 View Post
    One I love so very much is a pitbull !

    Uhm..Pits aren't hybrids. It's a breed of dog. Hybrids are animals that wouldn't normally breed, lions and tigers, for example. In many cases, the two animals have a different number of chromosomes which is why the offspring is usually sterile.
  • 07-24-2009, 12:01 AM
    harm286
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    Uhm..Pits aren't hybrids. It's a breed of dog. Hybrids are animals that wouldn't normally breed, lions and tigers, for example. In many cases, the two animals have a different number of chromosomes which is why the offspring is usually sterile.

    ummm they are considered hybrids here. I wonder what you consider a wolf. ahahaha what do you consider a ferret. hybrid consists of crosses between populations, breeds or cultivars within a single species.
  • 07-24-2009, 12:07 AM
    mainbutter
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    grey wolves, domesticated dogs, and any breedings within anything that fits either description is no hybrid.. except I guess you could argue dogs bred with grey wolves are technically hybrids of two SUB-species..
  • 07-24-2009, 12:12 AM
    Raptor
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harm286 View Post
    ummm they are considered hybrids here. I wonder what you consider a wolf. ahahaha what do you consider a ferret. hybrid consists of crosses between populations, breeds or cultivars within a single species.

    hy⋅brid
      /ˈhaɪbrɪd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahy-brid] Show IPA
    Use hybrid in a Sentence
    –noun
    1. the offspring of two animals or plants of different breeds, varieties, species, or genera, esp. as produced through human manipulation for specific genetic characteristics.

    A wolf is a wolf. They're not hybrids..And ferrets are a domesticated version of some form of polecat. Similar to how dogs are the domesticated form of wolves.
  • 07-24-2009, 01:01 AM
    MarkS
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Hybrid breeding can be really difficult. They're usually small subcompacts and the back seats are so cramped you can really get a crick in your neck.
    :banana::banana::banana::banana:
  • 07-24-2009, 01:14 AM
    blackcrystal22
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    hy⋅brid
      /ˈhaɪbrɪd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahy-brid] Show IPA
    Use hybrid in a Sentence
    –noun
    1. the offspring of two animals or plants of different breeds, varieties, species, or genera, esp. as produced through human manipulation for specific genetic characteristics.

    A wolf is a wolf. They're not hybrids..And ferrets are a domesticated version of some form of polecat. Similar to how dogs are the domesticated form of wolves.

    Where does hybrid talk about domestication?
    If a ferret and a dog are domesticated species, that means they are still the same species that they were originally before domestication.

    Wolves and Dogs are the same species, C. lupus, the domestication turns the dogs into subspecies of C. lupus called C. l. familiaris.
    Hybridization can only occur between two different species. Dogs do not count and I'm not understanding your point with domesticated ferrets..
  • 07-24-2009, 02:04 AM
    Raptor
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackcrystal22 View Post
    Where does hybrid talk about domestication?
    If a ferret and a dog are domesticated species, that means they are still the same species that they were originally before domestication.

    Wolves and Dogs are the same species, C. lupus, the domestication turns the dogs into subspecies of C. lupus called C. l. familiaris.
    Hybridization can only occur between two different species. Dogs do not count and I'm not understanding your point with domesticated ferrets..

    Perhaps you should read back a few posts to the guy who's trying to say that pit bulls are hybrids.
  • 07-24-2009, 02:16 AM
    blackcrystal22
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    Perhaps you should read back a few posts to the guy who's trying to say that pit bulls are hybrids.

    Sorry, somehow the posts all got jumbled up in my brain.
    Either way, I wasn't trying to prove anything against you, rather him.
  • 07-24-2009, 08:47 AM
    Lucas339
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by marks View Post
    hybrid breeding can be really difficult. They're usually small subcompacts and the back seats are so cramped you can really get a crick in your neck.
    :banana::banana::banana::banana:

    lol!!!
  • 07-24-2009, 08:52 PM
    littleindiangirl
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harm286 View Post
    ummm they are considered hybrids here. I wonder what you consider a wolf. ahahaha what do you consider a ferret. hybrid consists of crosses between populations, breeds or cultivars within a single species.

    This is the probably the most ignorant thing I've read today. Way to go American education system!
  • 07-25-2009, 12:12 AM
    Patrick Long
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harm286 View Post
    ummm they are considered hybrids here. I wonder what you consider a wolf. ahahaha what do you consider a ferret. hybrid consists of crosses between populations, breeds or cultivars within a single species.

    Wow..Im baffled by this statement...


    Sharp crayon.
  • 07-30-2009, 04:13 PM
    N4S
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
  • 07-30-2009, 04:40 PM
    Simpson Balls
    Re: Hybrid Breeding?
    Yea I saw that one! Thats a great looker!

    Daniel
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