Right to bear arms?

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickqu.../popup5895.htm

Wow I love the results!

I like being able to shoot back!

yes, I think it does, though I have no interest in guns

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Originally Posted by envy_ld50

Wow I love the results!

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Wow, cool results. Not only does it clearly state it but we also have a Supreme Court decision backing it up now as well (Heller). I have neevr understood peoples sense of false security in gun bans. I have been to plenty of countries where their are gun bans in place. Crime is still very present in all of them.

WooHoo! 97% !

It got my yes vote, I like being able to shoot back also :)

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Originally Posted by DM1975

Wow, cool results. Not only does it clearly state it but we also have a Supreme Court decision backing it up now as well (Heller). I have neevr understood peoples sense of false security in gun bans. I have been to plenty of countries where their are gun bans in place. Crime is still very present in all of them.

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in the past, Gun Control is followed by the subjugation of the populace.

3,054,574 votes with 97% voting YES! :gj:

There's a movie called Innocents Betrayed - The History of Gun Control, that I highly recommend. It really makes you think, but luckily, at least according to the votes on that poll, most people are already educated about the second amendment and the right to bear arms.

97% is great, of course.

The thing that I worry about is that most politicians can care less about what the general public wants and will do what best serves their self interest.

It's sorta like that nut in Florida that want's to ban large snakes country-wide based on a localized snake problem in what is otherwise a small portion of the United States.

BrandonsBalls

I wear short sleeves year round. I like the feeling of bare arms.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I wear short sleeves year round. I like the feeling of bare arms.

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Originally Posted by kitsunex

in the past, Gun Control is followed by the subjugation of the populace.

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Completely true. I'm glad to hear that some other people who agree with me on the subject! I just started going to school in Chicago...and quickly found out I was one of the very few that seem to acknowledge that the "if you take away the guns then people cant hurt eachother anymore" mentality is a crock. ...the people are so sheltered here, it is ridiculous.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3..._bear_arms.jpg

Obviously what our forefathers meant

I don't own any guns, but if you want to and you went through all the proper channels in order to purchase it, be my guest. You are more than welcome to own your weapons as long as you are safe with them, and from what I've seen on here, everyone is. But I would like raise this question for a (hopefully) peaceful debate:

The Bill of Rights was written in the 1700's. There were no town police forces, and they were fighting the British, who would often take over houses demanding food and shelter. How relevant is that amendment today?

I would like to point out again that I'm not against gun ownership, just playing devil's advocate! ;)

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Originally Posted by Christina

I don't own any guns, but if you want to and you went through all the proper channels in order to purchase it, be my guest. You are more than welcome to own your weapons as long as you are safe with them, and from what I've seen on here, everyone is. But I would like raise this question for a (hopefully) peaceful debate:

The Bill of Rights was written in the 1700's. There were no town police forces, and they were fighting the British, who would often take over houses demanding food and shelter. How relevant is that amendment today?

I would like to point out again that I'm not against gun ownership, just playing devil's advocate! ;)

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The right to protect oneself and family is a timeless concept. If the crap hits the fan, or when it does, the police will not have your self interest in mind.

The Bill of Rights were not written until 1789 (that is 14 years after the British lost the war). No British were taking over houses and being fought on American soil at that time however, if you believe the same could not happen to us today you are very wrong. That right was added in their because of what Americans had suffered under British rule and they knew it could happen again unless they armed the public.

I have made a life out of going to these little unstable countries that once were very nice and friendly places to live and helped to shut down these little wars. To me it seems that people in America live under this impression that the rest of the world is this peace loving, flower growing, charity giving place where everyone is happy (except in Arab and African countries of course) because that is what the news conditions us to. Evil America is war mongering and violent to a lot of people, but they have never had to live under a dictator, or see another country swoop in and murder your family and friends, all in nice little country homes and cities where white, law abiding citizens happily went about a very peaceful life the day before. And no I am not talking about Iraq and Afghanistan. Been over in that part of the world too, and all I have to say is do not believe the media about how bad people over there have it. Someone will always have it bad and be disappointed. Oh well.

Remember, even your snakes (and dogs and cats and... well you get the picture) have teeth for a reason other than just catching food. It is never any fun to find yourself on the unarmed side of a two way shooting range.

In between when the cops show up and some gentleman is holding ME at gunpoint.... I'd rather just shoot the miscreant and be done with it.

Thank goodness for Colorado''s Make My Day Law.

Outlawed or not, im not gonna give up my right to bear arms. Outlawing guns will not solve anything, there will still be shootings and guns everywhere. Its kinda like the war on drugs, yea there illegal and everything but there are still drugs everywhere and making them illegal has done nothing but make more crime and put more people in jail. Dont get me wrong here im DEFIENATELY not saying that drugs should be legal but merely using them as an example.

Question - How can you tell ahead of time a cause will fail?

Answer - when government declares a war on it.

Enough said?

BrandonsBalls

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

Question - How can you tell ahead of time a cause will fail?

Answer - when government declares a war on it.

Enough said?

BrandonsBalls

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Haha very true. We destroyed japan in world war 2 and than we payed to rebuild there factories better than ours and guess what? now there putting our automakers out of business with there fuel efficient, cheap cars. GREAT MOVE AMERICA! I dont see any of them helping us now that were in need.

i dont know why people dont want to realize that if you make outlaw guns crime will not drop. if you make them ilegal honest people will cease to own them, but then they are not the ones out using them in a ilegal way. the people that use them ilegaly will continue to use them knowing that the innocent people that they are attacking will no longer have guns to stop them. so basicly outlawing them will just make crime easier.

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

i dont know why people dont want to realize that if you make outlaw guns crime will not drop. if you make them ilegal honest people will cease to own them, but then they are not the ones out using them in a ilegal way. the people that use them ilegaly will continue to use them knowing that the innocent people that they are attacking will no longer have guns to stop them. so basicly outlawing them will just make crime easier.

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If an 'honest' person is living in a bad area, they will find a way to protect themselves and their family. That, to them, is honest. Everyone breaks the law, there's not a single truly honest person in this world because of it.

Even if it means J-Walking. ;)

Im pretty sure more people than you know break the law everyday. Yea going over the speed limit thats breakin the law. so many things these days are against the law you have to work very hard NOT to break the law.

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Originally Posted by joshn6805

Im pretty sure more people than you know break the law everyday. Yea going over the speed limit thats breakin the law. so many things these days are against the law you have to work very hard NOT to break the law.

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Keeping my dog breaks the law every time the dog barks.
If we want to talk about all the laws you break everyday.. especially the silly ones..
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle415382.ece

guns dont kill people. people kill people. shouldnt punish all gun owners bc a couple stupid people go around killing others.

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Originally Posted by iloveleucie63

guns dont kill people. people kill people. shouldnt punish all gun owners bc a couple stupid people go around killing others.

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Though I agree, your logic is slightly flawed.
There are likely more people who use guns to kill people then there are law-abiding gun owners (ex; hunters, shooters, officers).

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Though I agree, your logic is slightly flawed.
There are likely more people who use guns to kill people then there are law-abiding gun owners (ex; hunters, shooters, officers).

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yeah, but not letting anyone have guns still isnt the solution to the problem. how are you going to get someone with a gun to give it up?? its kinda hard. i wouldnt give my gun up if someone came to my house and tried to take it. and i still dont think theres more ppl using guns for harm, than ppl using them for good.

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Originally Posted by iloveleucie63

yeah, but not letting anyone have guns still isnt the solution to the problem. how are you going to get someone with a gun to give it up?? its kinda hard. i wouldnt give my gun up if someone came to my house and tried to take it. and i still dont think theres more ppl using guns for harm, than ppl using them for good.

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Technically the only people using guns for good are officers, and there are definitely more people in crime.
However, things like hunting and protection are different. They aren't doing anything 'good' by killing something but it may be for their hobby or families sake.

I do agree that we have the right to bear arms. Don't worry.
But everyone says it about protecting their family from crime. What I want to know, is how many people have actually needed to use guns to protect themselves or their family? I haven't heard of many cases so I'm slightly confused.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Technically the only people using guns for good are officers, and there are definitely more people in crime.
However, things like hunting and protection are different. They aren't doing anything 'good' by killing something but it may be for their hobby or families sake.

I do agree that we have the right to bear arms. Don't worry.
But everyone says it about protecting their family from crime. What I want to know, is how many people have actually needed to use guns to protect themselves or their family? I haven't heard of many cases so I'm slightly confused.

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yeah, that is true. i understand what ur saying.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

What I want to know, is how many people have actually needed to use guns to protect themselves or their family? I haven't heard of many cases so I'm slightly confused.

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That statistic is completely irrelevant, that's why.

A .001 percent chance that my gun could save my wife's life is all I need.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Technically the only people using guns for good are officers, and there are definitely more people in crime.
However, things like hunting and protection are different. They aren't doing anything 'good' by killing something but it may be for their hobby or families sake.

I do agree that we have the right to bear arms. Don't worry.
But everyone says it about protecting their family from crime. What I want to know, is how many people have actually needed to use guns to protect themselves or their family? I haven't heard of many cases so I'm slightly confused.

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Being a former police officer, I have seen it a few times, I have even had to myself (at home, not just on the street). I am not a paranoid gun owner or anything, but I have enough training to know how to handle a firearm very well and will always have one close by. You do not always have to discharge your weapon, or kill someone to have used a firearm to protect yourself or your family either. And any time my family is safe when they otherwise might not have been is a very good cause, regardless of what I have to do to ensure it.

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Originally Posted by Soterios

That statistic is completely irrelevant, that's why.

A .001 percent chance that my gun could save my wife's life is all I need.

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It is always that 1% that is going to bite you in the butt.

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Originally Posted by DM1975

Being a former police officer, I have seen it a few times, I have even had to myself (at home, not just on the street). I am not a paranoid gun owner or anything, but I have enough training to know how to handle a firearm very well and will always have one close by. You do not always have to discharge your weapon, or kill someone to have used a firearm to protect yourself or your family either. And any time my family is safe when they otherwise might not have been is a very good cause, regardless of what I have to do to ensure it.

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Thank you for having a useful answer to my question.
As I said, I was just curious if anyone had any cases actually involving a gun rather than a baseball bat.

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Originally Posted by Soterios

That statistic is completely irrelevant, that's why.

A .001 percent chance that my gun could save my wife's life is all I need.

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Thank you for not answering my question. I understand the reasoning as to why people keep guns for protection. I was asking if there had been any cases that this had actually been successful that people have encountered.

In the case of owning a gun for protection, I would be more worried about getting to it quickly enough to actually protect you when you weren't expecting it. This is assuming the gun is locked and hidden safely from children or teenagers.

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Originally Posted by Soterios

That statistic is completely irrelevant, that's why.

A .001 percent chance that my gun could save my wife's life is all I need.

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Owning a firearm It comes from the same part of logic as having auto insurance; just because you have not used it doesn't mean you don't need it. You also hope you never need it, but you would rather have the insurance and not need it, than not have the insurance and be left with no recourse; its called being smart, prepared and being forever diligent, rather than asking statistical questions and pondering what if's.

i love blowing stuff up! (responsibly and safely) :D

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Technically the only people using guns for good are officers, and there are definitely more people in crime.
However, things like hunting and protection are different. They aren't doing anything 'good' by killing something but it may be for their hobby or families sake.

I do agree that we have the right to bear arms. Don't worry.
But everyone says it about protecting their family from crime. What I want to know, is how many people have actually needed to use guns to protect themselves or their family? I haven't heard of many cases so I'm slightly confused.

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Due to the fact that anti gun people claim that it is rare for anyone to use guns to save themselves or others from rapists,home invaders and killers, the NRA has for several years published monthly a whole page of these incidents in short paragraphs giving names,dates and details of the incidents in their monthly magazine "The American Rifleman" under the heading "The Armed Citizen." You can read past articles on line by doing a Google search for NRA The Armed Citizen.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

3,054,574 votes with 97% voting YES! :gj:

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Yeah, but the bad thing is the 3% who voted No are about 90,000 people!!!:O

Does anyone believe these statistics? They actually make lots of sense: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/drguns.html

There's an old saying: If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.

I keep one near me at all times. I'm lucky enough to live in a state where you can legally carry a weapon in your car and home as long as the weapon is legal (i.e. no fully automatics) and without a concealed weapons permit. Heck, you can even "cowboy carry" here which mean you can where a gun holster on your hip as long as it isn't concealed without a permit.

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Originally Posted by orphan

Heck, you can even "cowboy carry" here which mean you can where a gun holster on your hip as long as it isn't concealed without a permit.

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Cowboy carry all the way. I don't understand places that only allow conceal and carry.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Cowboy carry all the way. I don't understand places that only allow conceal and carry.

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I do. I would rather me having a gun be a suprise if something bad goes down. I understand the possibility of it being a deterrant as well, but I would rather carry concealed.

I absolutely do NOT want a gun in my house for any reason, but I do respect the rights of others to do so.

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

I absolutely do NOT want a gun in my house for any reason, but I do respect the rights of others to do so.

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To each their own. I respect your decision as well.

I support the right the bear arms.There are easily ten or more guns in the house. Ranging from the standard air powered red rider bb rifle, all the way up to a shot gun and a specialized hunting rifle cannon of a .22 (I think that's what it is, I just know it's loud). Why? My step-dad used to hunt, and he's retired from the army. We also run livestock, so now and then, the random dog/coyote will come up looking for a snack. It's obvious what fate it meets. Yes, I have access to all the weapons, but I'm only comfortable with using the air powered bb gun, the C02 powered pistol, and the low power .22 rifle. Do I know how to use them? Yep.

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

I absolutely do NOT want a gun in my house for any reason, but I do respect the rights of others to do so.

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Lawl. The people who hate/don't like guns will regret it when the zombie apocalypse come.

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Originally Posted by Christina

The Bill of Rights was written in the 1700's. There were no town police forces, and they were fighting the British, who would often take over houses demanding food and shelter. How relevant is that amendment today?

I would like to point out again that I'm not against gun ownership, just playing devil's advocate! ;)

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that isn't exactly true. The reason that the 2nd amendment was added was because one of the first things the British did when they heard of a possible rebellion was they demanded that all the colonists turn over their guns. The 2nd amendment was created in order to prevent this from happening. Our founding fathers knew that there was a chance that their own government could be corrupted down the line and the wanted to be sure that the american populace would always be able to protect themselves, possibly from their own government.

as the saying goes, "The Government should be afraid of its people, not the other way around."

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Originally Posted by DM1975

I do. I would rather me having a gun be a suprise if something bad goes down. I understand the possibility of it being a deterrant as well, but I would rather carry concealed.

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Oh I understand why someone would want to carry concealed, but I don't understand why it's against the law to cowboy-carry in places that allow concealed-carry.

I don't hate guns. I just know I don't want one in my house. One reason being that in the type of fast paced situation where I'd need one, I wouldn't probably have time to unlock the secure place I would store it. I'd never have an unlocked gun anywhere in my house since I have a child.

That said, I do support gun rights, especially since banning guns would likely mean only the criminal element would have them! :) I am a liberal, but this is one area I am a bit more conservative. I do not OPPOSE gun control passionately, but I do not support it either.

I also know how to clean, load, unload, and shoot many different types of guns. Knowledge is power, and education and responsible gun ownership saves lives. Just my two cents! :)

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Originally Posted by Christina

I don't own any guns, but if you want to and you went through all the proper channels in order to purchase it, be my guest. You are more than welcome to own your weapons as long as you are safe with them, and from what I've seen on here, everyone is. But I would like raise this question for a (hopefully) peaceful debate:

The Bill of Rights was written in the 1700's. There were no town police forces, and they were fighting the British, who would often take over houses demanding food and shelter. How relevant is that amendment today?

I would like to point out again that I'm not against gun ownership, just playing devil's advocate! ;)

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I don't know where you got the information that they were fighting the British or that there were no police forces but my understanding is that the
Bill of rights was adapted in 1791 well after the war because the Congress would not ratify the Constitution as written. Many prominent men insisted on language being inserted that protected the rights of the citizens hence the Bill of Rights otherwise known as amendments to the Constitution were drafted confirming the rights of all citizens to religion,assembly,guns, newspapers etc.