Is This Pic A Het Pied?

Is this Picture a pic of a Het Pied? It's a sexed female and am going to pick it up this weekend. Just need the experts opinion (or if you know);).

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLar...8062i4_18.jpeg

Daniel

You cannot tell a het from a photo.

Only buy hets from trustworthy sources/breeders.

If you don't trust the person, don't waste your money.

It may be 3 years before you realize you've been had.

Well the guy says he gurantee's it. He say if the girl does not produce a pied in her first clutch he would buy it back. Me and this guy have talked alot over the internet and even said to me if I ever have a problem deciding what to buy just to give him a call and he would help me out. I think I can trust him. He is a small breeder with a heat

Daniel

There's no way he can guarantee it will produce a pied her first clutch.. Even a Pied to a Het gives you 50/50 chance..

He says it was produced by way of Pastel to Pied. Have you seen the parents??

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

There's no way he can guarantee it will produce a pied her first clutch.. Even a Pied to a Het gives you 50/50 chance..

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I know! I told him the same thing but he said he did not care! He said if your not happy with it give it back to me and i'll give you your money back! It's like his warrenty is the snakes life time! I am going ahead with it for now and it 20-30 years when it dies I will want my money back!:8::rofl:

Daniel

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

He says it was produced by way of Pastel to Pied. Have you seen the parents??

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I am tommorow!

Daniel

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Well the guy says he gurantee's it. He say if the girl does not produce a pied in her first clutch he would buy it back. Me and this guy have talked alot over the internet and even said to me if I ever have a problem deciding what to buy just to give him a call and he would help me out. I think I can trust him. He is a small breeder with a heat

Daniel

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If you ask me that sounds like a pretty good guarantee.... FOR HIM! He sells you the snake and you feed it for a couple of years and then when you get no pied, he buys back a female ready to breed. ;)

Well... sounds like you have made up your mind. Hope it works out for you.

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Well the guy says he gurantee's it. He say if the girl does not produce a pied in her first clutch he would buy it back. Me and this guy have talked alot over the internet and even said to me if I ever have a problem deciding what to buy just to give him a call and he would help me out. I think I can trust him. He is a small breeder with a heat

Daniel

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Do you know if he will still be around in 3 years?

Guarantee is only as good as the seller is, if he is established in the business someone must know him, does he have a name, a website, can he provide you with picture of the sire?

When I do not know about someone I ask around and chances are people I know will know, if not than I'll pass.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Do you know if he will still be around in 3 years?

Guarantee is only as good as the seller is, if he is established in the business someone must know him, does he have a name, a website, can he provide you with picture of the sire?

When I do not know about someone I ask around and chances are people I know will know, if not than I'll pass.

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This guy is well known in my area his website I think is called Scales To Tails. The guys name is Shaun. All I wanted to know is if it looked like a het pied not to start a thread about everyone asking me if I trust the guy. By the way! I was going to to a deal with him a couple months ago but the guy offer double the price for the snake so I could not get it!

Daniel

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

This guy is well known in my area his website I think is called Scales To Tails. The guys name is Shaun. All I wanted to know is if it looked like a het pied not to start a thread about everyone asking me if I trust the guy. By the way! I was going to to a deal with him a couple months ago but the guy offer double the price for the snake so I could not get it!

Daniel

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No one can say for sure by looking at the picture, but the "markers" appear to be there. There's just no guarantee based on markers alone. If you like the guy and feel you can trust him, then go for it. :)

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

This guy is well known in my area his website I think is called Scales To Tails. The guys name is Shaun. All I wanted to know is if it looked like a het pied not to start a thread about everyone asking me if I trust the guy. By the way! I was going to to a deal with him a couple months ago but the guy offer double the price for the snake so I could not get it!

Daniel

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And Heather gave you the answer to your question in the first post. Your the one that brought up the guarantee. Like I said before great guarantee, for him. A better guarantee for you would be if she lays and does not produce pieds, he gives you a pied. :gj:

You cannot tell if a snake is a het. If the breeder you got it from produced that het pied, he/she should know and tell you that it is. If the breeder did not produce the snake, and says it's a het pied, the only way to tell if it's a het pied is if you do this:
1) Breed the snake with another het pied. See if the hatchlings are pieds too, and if not, your snake is not a het pied. Make sure the snake you breed it with is a het pied, or else your hatchlings will all look like normal BPs.
2) Breed the snake with a normal. After you have the hatchlings, raise one of them (of the opposite sex) and breed it back to yours. Though, you may not know which are hets and which are normals in your clutch because there is no way to tell unless all babies are bred to the parents or each other.
3) Breed the snake with a pied. If your babies come out looking like all normals, your snake is not a het. Though, your clutch would be het for pieds.

Het pied markers, might be true, but there is also het pied that don't have those markers and normals who have them. So the only way is to trust the breeder.

I sent you a Private Message about it.

But for everyone here, ScaleToTails (the breeder of that het pied, as it's suppose) have been in the business for some time. May be not with Ball but with other snake at least.

Good Luck !

Looks SKINNY

People are just looking out for you and I hope you appreciate that. No one wants to see any one get taken and that's just what people here are trying to help you avoid. No need to take offense to it!

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Originally Posted by snakecharmer3638

If you ask me that sounds like a pretty good guarantee.... FOR HIM! He sells you the snake and you feed it for a couple of years and then when you get no pied, he buys back a female ready to breed. ;)

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Yeah At baby ball prices, not grown adult prices. Be careful Daniel

Erm... this just sounds fishy... I'd look else where!

A reputable breeder isn't going to be selling any animals on a "craigslist" type of site.

Pat is right, that snake is very skinny!

I didn't look at the picture at first.. but since I have now that snake does look skinny..

Erm... this just sounds fishy... I'd look else where!

A Pastel X Pied....Just because it has the "markers" doesn't guarantee it to be a possible het anything. I have normals that have the "pied markers". I could be a scum, write up some phony guarantee with a phony made up pedigree and sell my normals for a few hundred bucks saying they are het pieds and vanish into the wind.

A reputable breeder isn't going to be selling any animals on a "craigslist" type of site.

Pat is right, that snake is very skinny!


I'd get a %100 het pied female from a real breeder and not some joblow from a a strange site.

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Erm... this just sounds fishy... I'd look else where!

A Pastel X Pied....Just because it has the "markers" doesn't guarantee it to be a possible het anything. I have normals that have the "pied markers". I could be a scum, write up some phony guarantee with a phony made up pedigree and sell my normals for a few hundred bucks saying they are het pieds and vanish into the wind.

A reputable breeder isn't going to be selling any animals on a "craigslist" type of site.

Pat is right, that snake is very skinny!


I'd get a %100 het pied female from a real breeder and not some joblow from a a strange site.

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I agree with you. MANY people can get away with saying their normal is a het for pied, albino, axanthic, and just pretty much anything to make an extra couple hundred bucks.. well.. if they make a mistake with saying their normal is a het for one of the co-dom or dominant morphs, then they got caught in the action for selling their snake for possibly hundreds of dollars;)

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Erm... this just sounds fishy... I'd look else where!

A reputable breeder isn't going to be selling any animals on a "craigslist" type of site.

Pat is right, that snake is very skinny!

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I have a reputable breeder near me that sells animals on cl... Just putting that out there...

Daniel is one of those stubborn know it all types, he asks and seeks approval and when he doesnt find it he does it anyway... We aren't going to change his mind.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I have a reputable breeder near me that sells animals on cl... Just putting that out there...

Daniel is one of those stubborn know it all types, he asks and seeks approval and when he doesnt find it he does it anyway... We aren't going to change his mind.

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There's actual a couple good breeders from Ontario that list their snakes on kijiji.ca

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

1) Breed the snake with another het pied. See if the hatchlings are pieds too, and if not, your snake is not a het pied. Make sure the snake you breed it with is a het pied, or else your hatchlings will all look like normal BPs.

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Actually while yes Het Pied X Het Pied should produce 25% Pied, remember those are odds and that it might take more than one season to achieve those results.

So if no pied was produce the first time around this would not automatically mean that the animal was not indeed a het pied. ;)

Sooo...

I don't know much about the genetics, but I'm no busta!

First of all,

Its already established by a few people that its not a guarantee,

Second...

The seller is guaranteeing that it is...and if not, your money back...

Regardless of his reputation, He is guaranteeing you something he cannot guarantee...

With that factor alone, that is a desperate seller...

I won't call him un-trustworthy, but I will call him desperate...He obviously wants to get rid of the snake...

It was also mentioned that he lowered down the price...

Also establishing that no one took interest in the snake

Now if thats the case...

Another factor... that is a desperate seller...


I don't know anything about genetics I just come here and read a lot, but I do have some sort of logic...and to me as it appears...

That is a desperate seller

With that in mind...

A desperate seller needs a desperate buyer...


I rest my case...

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...p/t-80894.html
Funny, here it says there names are Les and Shiela. Who is Shaun?

Edit: Even the website for from tails to scales has no mention of a Shaun
http://www.from-scales-to-tails.bravehost.com

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Originally Posted by Montie Python

The seller is guaranteeing that it is...and if not, your money back...

Regardless of his reputation, He is guaranteeing you something he cannot guarantee...

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Most reputable breeders guarantee that the hets they sell are in fact hets. If they turn out to not produce what they should a replacement animal is generally offered. So no, that doesn't make someone a desperate seller. The tricky part comes in when you have to trust that they'll follow through with their word and that they will actually be around by the time you start breeding the animal you bought from them.

Its such a shame so many people have sold hets that are actually normals and put so many people off buying true hets just because they are unsure, those people have made it very hard for honest small time breeders that wish to sell a true heterozygous snake.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

1) Breed the snake with another het pied. See if the hatchlings are pieds too, and if not, your snake is not a het pied. Make sure the snake you breed it with is a het pied, or else your hatchlings will all look like normal BPs.

3) Breed the snake with a pied. If your babies come out looking like all normals, your snake is not a het. Though, your clutch would be het for pieds.

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I'd like to add that it could take a few breedings before you can successfully prove out a het. There's no guarantee that your first or even second clutch will produce a visual pied. The best way to know that the animal you are buying is a het is to buy from a reputable breeder.

One thing I have noticed about Ball Python buyers, and probably buyers in general, everyone wants a great deal. A great deal is only a great deal IF YOU GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR. I do not know you, and do not know the seller. I am only saying, that the dissapointment getting all normals when you expect a Pied, after years of feeding and cleaning the snakes, is going to be overwhelming, if the snake does not prove out. As far as Craigslist, not sure I would go there for a Ball Morph....why would you? There are way too many great small breeders out there to risk getting a normal, fake het.

the ad has been removed so i cant see it how much is the snake and is it m/f

i would like to clear something up.......we are from scales to tails and we do reptile birthday parties and have never had pied balls or het pied balls or sold het pied balls. our names are sheila and les and for the person that look up scales to tails that is someone different his name is shaun and has nothing to do with us.....so if you are going to look up a name make sure its the right one as we have nothing to do with this thread or anything eles with this......not the same person look it up for your self......this guy made his name very close to our for whatever reason..thanks

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Originally Posted by from scales to tails

i would like to clear something up.......we are from scales to tails and we do reptile birthday parties and have never had pied balls or het pied balls or sold het pied balls. our names are sheila and les and for the person that look up scales to tails that is someone different his name is shaun and has nothing to do with us.....so if you are going to look up a name make sure its the right one as we have nothing to do with this thread or anything eles with this......not the same person look it up for your self......this guy made his name very close to our for whatever reason..thanks

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Are you in Ontario, Canada.... if not, I think there is nothing to worry about with confusion of the sort. Let alone bringing something back from 9 months ago that nobody slandered you in.