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What will be the outcome of this:

Faded albino x het (normal)albino

i can't figure it out :)

50% albinos and 50% hets. They may or may not fade more than average.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

50% albinos and 50% hets. They may or may not fade more than average.

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but will the hets be for the faded gene or the normal gene ?
and will the albinos have the gene for 100% faded or not ?

that's with good odds :D

Good luck on the pairing if you're planning to do it!

I don't think it's a guarantee that they will carry the faded gene. If your het was also a faded albino you would have better odds.

The faded albino could be a result of the parents' normal color and concentration of xanthiphore, or it could possible be an actual genetic trait. Only breeding will give you the answers, but I would guess that the faded albino is just a regular, faded looking albino, and that the babies would be normal albinos, that will possibly be lower contrast that the average albino, but that would likely be the result of selective breeding and not a true genetic mutation that is any different than the average albino. If it was, the normal het probably wouldn't be compatible with the faded albino.

yes i know but i dont got a het faded albino :)
but i got a 0.1 het albino

i think i just need to do it and look out for it i suppose
but i really want to know how the faded gene will merge in the normal one, couse i want a 0.1 faded albino for sure

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

The faded albino could be a result of the parents' normal color and concentration of xanthiphore, or it could possible be an actual genetic trait. Only breeding will give you the answers, but I would guess that the faded albino is just a regular, faded looking albino, and that the babies would be normal albinos, that will possibly be lower contrast that the average albino, but that would likely be the result of selective breeding and not a true genetic mutation that is any different than the average albino. If it was, the normal het probably wouldn't be compatible with the faded albino.

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well, the faded albino is a proven gene so,

i'm just gonna risk it :) but i'm still with the question will the albino's have the het for the fader or not :D

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Originally Posted by Seadevil

well, the faded albino is a proven gene so,

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Is it? Can you give me the details?

i cant, i just been told :)
i personally think its a random occurance.

time will tell i suppose, i will just look and see how the outcome vs the het will do :d

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

Is it? Can you give me the details?

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NERD says it is at least.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ed-albino.html

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Originally Posted by bobbittle

NERD says it is at least.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ed-albino.html

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NERD says it's a random occurrence. I think the "faded" albinos and the "high contrast" albinos are more of a selectively bred trait, and not an actual mutation themselves. They are all just T- albinos. If it were a proven mutation, seperate from your every day albinos, you could breed a faded albino to any dark normal, and breed any of the hets together or back to the original faded albino and end up with all faded albinos every time. They wouldn't likely be compatible with your common T- albino, and the amount of xanthiphore in the breeding stock wouldn't have an effect on the faded homozygous albinos, and I don't know that to be the case.

Jake I feel like your right on with the line breeding thing. We've seen it in Lessers, Pastels, and even Cinni's.

I think the contrast is a line bred aberrant trait much like allot of the different "Lines" are in different morphs

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I think the "faded" albinos and the "high contrast" albinos are more of a selectively bred trait, and not an actual mutation themselves.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Jake I feel like your right on with the line breeding thing. We've seen it in Lessers, Pastels, and even Cinni's.

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I am inclined to disagree that it is a "line bred" occurrence. Lessers/pastels/cinnys that are born higher or lower grade stay higher or lower grade. A faded albino is born faded but eventually colours up to a point that you would not be able to tell it from an animal that was born high contrast. IDK if he has posted them here but on another forum Albey has some then and now pics of his faded albino, at birth it looked like a snow and now it looks like a really nice HC albino.

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They are all just T- albinos. If it were a proven mutation, seperate from your every day albinos, you could breed a faded albino to any dark normal, and breed any of the hets together or back to the original faded albino and end up with all faded albinos every time. They wouldn't likely be compatible with your common T- albino, and the amount of xanthiphore in the breeding stock wouldn't have an effect on the faded homozygous albinos, and I don't know that to be the case.

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It is possible to be a proven mutation that is "compatible" with a "common" T- albino. Based on some discussions on another forum I (and a few others it seems) are wondering if maybe the faded phenotype is the result of a second site mutation. If that is the case, depending on the mechanism of that second site mutation, breeding a faded to a normal and then breeding the offspring back together would give you a 1 in 8 or a 1 in 16 chance of getting a faded.

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Originally Posted by asplundii

I am inclined to disagree that it is a "line bred" occurrence. Lessers/pastels/cinnys that are born higher or lower grade stay higher or lower grade. A faded albino is born faded but eventually colours up to a point that you would not be able to tell it from an animal that was born high contrast. IDK if he has posted them here but on another forum Albey has some then and now pics of his faded albino, at birth it looked like a snow and now it looks like a really nice HC albino.

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Correct but you can produce Mojaves that look like Lessers and Lessers the look like mojaves.
As for Pastels I can tell you with 100% certainty that you can breed a great looking pastel to a darker female and your offspring will show it.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Correct but you can produce Mojaves that look like Lessers and Lessers the look like mojaves.
As for Pastels I can tell you with 100% certainty that you can breed a great looking pastel to a darker female and your offspring will show it.

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You will not get any argument from me on those examples. But it does not change the fact that faded albinos are not the result of breeding for a faded looking animal. They just pop up. People are not taking "pale" adult albinos and breeding them to other "pale" animals with the intent of making faded albinos. As adults (or in just 2-3 sheds) the faded babies look like normals and most people likely do not know or care that they were born faded and just use them to make more albinos.

this it what he is looking like :)

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...a/P1010004.jpg

Yep he's a faded Albino

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Yep he's a faded Albino

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and he is 2 years now and still no change's after shedding ;)

wow you can barley see the yellow, i thought it was just white.

My SNAFU. I was thinking blush albinos not faded albinos.

SNAFU ? :oops:

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Originally Posted by Seadevil

SNAFU ? :oops:

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Slang for mistake