Ghost, hypo, or just a normal?

What do you guys think?

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...09203931-1.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...09203916-1.jpg

Ima get better pics later.

Normal.

Good look'n.

Colors aren't coming out good in the pics. But her she has like a greyish look to her sides and head.

Here's a hypo to compare to. Color in the head lack the darker pigmentation along with the rest of the body. Clear sheds...
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...t/2d1b9828.jpg

http://www.briansharp.com/405ghostfem1_large.gif

But look at this one. My has these colors, but they dont stick out that much

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

http://www.briansharp.com/405ghostfem1_large.gif

But look at this one. My has these colors, but they dont stick out that much

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I'm going off the photos you've provided.

Being said, compare the heads of the two snakes. The black pigmentation in yours is much more prominent.

Did you buy it as a hypo?

I really dont get these threads.

People come on here with the most normal normal.

EXPERIENCED people tell then that it is just a normal.....


and they want to argue.


I do not get it.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I really dont get these threads.

People come on here with the most normal normal.

EXPERIENCED people tell then that it is just a normal.....


and they want to argue.


I do not get it.

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I'm not arguing. I'm just asking. I boutgh her as a normal, I only asked again cuz I found the pic above and I saw kinda resemblance to mine. Another reason I'm asking is because first he sold me this one that looks slightly like a hypo ( IMO) and second he sold me another male normal that kinda looks like a yellowbelly ( IMO). And on top of that he sold me a proven breeder cinny male for $150. So, im guessing these other snakes are something good and I dont want to mess up and sell them as normals. ;)

I know I have another thread on this snake, but look at his belly and markings. He has a lot of blushing and flames, could it be a het? Or maybe yellowbelly?

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...1009223534.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...1009223555.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...1009223613.jpg

And I just wanna show this girl off. lol. Yes, she's a normal.
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...1009223755.jpg

Cinny
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...1309010325.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...1309010448.jpg

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/p...1309010502.jpg

Not only is it a ghost, but it's a ninja ghost. Great pickup!

Edit: Psyche. But they are nice regardless.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Not only is it a ghost, but it's a ninja ghost. Great pickup!

Edit: Psyche. But they are nice regardless.

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Thanks, I plan on getting rid of it. But I love the cinny I got and that reduced pattern female. She's a baby, but I cant wait til she's ready to breed. Ima do some dinker projects with her. :)

It seems like just a normal to me, but a really beautiful one at that:)

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Originally Posted by BallPythonLOVER

It seems like just a normal to me, but a really beautiful one at that:)

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Thanks. :)

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

I'm not arguing. I'm just asking. I boutgh her as a normal, I only asked again cuz I found the pic above and I saw kinda resemblance to mine. Another reason I'm asking is because first he sold me this one that looks slightly like a hypo ( IMO) and second he sold me another male normal that kinda looks like a yellowbelly ( IMO). And on top of that he sold me a proven breeder cinny male for $150. So, im guessing these other snakes are something good and I dont want to mess up and sell them as normals. ;)

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He's not going to sell you a hypo and a YB as normals. It's a beautiful normal, but not even close to being a questionable hypo/ghost.

looks like a normal to me
btw a ghost and hypo are the same thing. referring to the thread name :gj:

The belly marked one might be a het pied. I know I sell possible het pied males as normals. But to be sure if you are working on a pied project before risking wasting a year for a valuable het pied female you should buy a 100% het pied male as they are very affordable now days.

The "normal" girl looks the least normal of the bunch to me. Probably nothing but I'd hang on to her and breed her just in case.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

The "normal" girl looks the least normal of the bunch to me. Probably nothing but I'd hang on to her and breed her just in case.

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I thought that when I saw her pics too.

It may be your pics (you need more light to get better ones), but your possible hypo looks too dark in the dark areas to be a hypo. The name hypo is short for hypomelanism. Hypo means "less than normal" and melanin is the dark brown/black pigment. So to be a hypo, a snake should be faded out in the dark areas, which is where the name ghost came from. Really good hypos go beyond that faded look and can be quite bright. But I do not think a snake can look so black in the dark areas as yours does (again, based on the pic you posted) and be a hypo.

Also, as has been pointed out, hypos usually have a very faded head, and the head on yours does not look faded.

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Originally Posted by kc261

Also, as has been pointed out, hypos usually have a very faded head, and the head on yours does not look faded.

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Kevin McCurley described them as looking like someone put them in a freezer and they became covered in frost. One could argue that his normal has a faded head, but it's the overall "frosted" look that can best describe a hypo. I don't see any of that from the picture.

Anyways, I'm breeding her now to my spider. Ima see what happens, I know you guys would think twice tho if you saw her in person. lol. Oh and to the person who said hypo/ghost are the same thing, I've been reading and I heard that a REAL Ghost is an axanthic x hypo (tell me if I'm wrong, but ima look for that article I read). And as for that male normal I got, in his way he looked like a YB, but as I look at het. pied marking pics and I look at his belly they look like it. But I just wanted to double check before I go off and sell some good animals for normal prices. But thanks for the help guys. :gj: I still think she's a ghost/hypo. lol :P lol. JK

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Oh and to the person who said hypo/ghost are the same thing, I've been reading and I heard that a REAL Ghost is an axanthic x hypo (tell me if I'm wrong, but ima look for that article I read).

: I still think she's a ghost/hypo. lol :P lol. JK

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You're correct. Hypo x Axanthic will produce double het for 'True Ghost'.
Although if you ask a breeder if they are producing any 'ghosts', 99.9% of the time they are going to think you are talking about hypos.

As for thinking your snake is a "hypo". I think you are setting yourself up for a disappointment.

Have you seen a hypo in person?

NORMAL :gj:

Here is another kind of hypo for you (Butterscotch Hypo) and as you can tell there is a major difference.

http://stewartreptiles.com/BallPythons/Hypo/Hypo03.jpg

Here is what to look for http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgghost.htm

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

You're correct. Hypo x Axanthic will produce double het for 'True Ghost'.
Although if you ask a breeder if they are producing any 'ghosts', 99.9% of the time they are going to think you are talking about hypos.

As for thinking your snake is a "hypo". I think you are setting yourself up for a disappointment.

Have you seen a hypo in person?

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Yea. I've seen one at a show. Thats why I keep double thinking. lol

I have to agree that its a normal. everyone has posted great pics of hypos..

Heres a Yellow also called a Butterscotch
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...o/DSC_0305.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...o/DSC_0303.jpg

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Originally Posted by Deborah

NORMAL :gj:

Here is another kind of hypo for you (Butterscotch Hypo) and as you can tell there is a major difference.

http://stewartreptiles.com/BallPythons/Hypo/Hypo03.jpg

Here is what to look for http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgghost.htm

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And see my looks somewhat like that ones color. Especially the head. Their heads are identical. I am really gonna try to get better pics. Ima see if later today I can snatch my moms camera and hopefully take better shots. I want you guys to see what im seeing. The pics I took earlier where with my phone. But I know you guys are gonna keep thinking ima idiot. But watch if I get hypo spiders. lol

The only way you're getting hypo spiders is if you buy one. ;)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Kevin McCurley described them as looking like someone put them in a freezer and they became covered in frost. One could argue that his normal has a faded head, but it's the overall "frosted" look that can best describe a hypo. I don't see any of that from the picture.

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My hypo almost appears to be covered in felt. He is so washed out and faded that he appears to have a fuzzy appearance, but Kevin is dead on in his description.

A hypo is unmistakable compared to a normal, plus like has already been said, if it sheds completely clear with no dark pigmentation in it that is the true mark of the hypo.

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

And see my looks somewhat like that ones color. Especially the head. Their heads are identical. I am really gonna try to get better pics. Ima see if later today I can snatch my moms camera and hopefully take better shots. I want you guys to see what im seeing. The pics I took earlier where with my phone. But I know you guys are gonna keep thinking ima idiot. But watch if I get hypo spiders. lol

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First of all we don't think you are an idiot, but we do (most of us anyway) have hypos and they are not as easily mistaken for normals as you think. And if she was sold to you by a breeder as a normal I can 200% guarantee she is a normal, because a breeder is by no means going to mistake a hypo for a normal.

And as for the hypo spider (honeybee) By breeding her to your spider IF she were a hypo you would only get spiders that were 100% het hypo.

Get better pictures and we are going to say the same thing. :gj:

BTW my avatar is the head of my hypo male. He looks nothing like any normal I've ever seen. ;)

That's not a Hypo!

Check the next shed...A Hypos shed is clear and has no pattern on it.

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

That's not a Hypo!

Check the next shed...A Hypos shed is clear and has no pattern on it.

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Thats what I was gonna say, they shed clear like an albino.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Thats what I was gonna say, they shed clear like an albino.

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x3

And I said it in the 4th post. :)

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

First of all we don't think you are an idiot, but we do (most of us anyway) have hypos and they are not as easily mistaken for normals as you think. And if she was sold to you by a breeder as a normal I can 200% guarantee she is a normal, because a breeder is by no means going to mistake a hypo for a normal.

And as for the hypo spider (honeybee) By breeding her to your spider IF she were a hypo you would only get spiders that were 100% het hypo.

Get better pictures and we are going to say the same thing. :gj:

BTW my avatar is the head of my hypo male. He looks nothing like any normal I've ever seen. ;)

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Who said I got it from a breeder? Anyways, I cant get the camera, so I'm just gonna go talk to Amir to see what he tells me it is. And if it isn't, then oh well. lol But anyways cant hurt to double check.

Not a Hypo.

That is a Normal.

:)

But it sounds like you don't particularly care what other people are saying..

Good luck!!

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Not a Hypo.

That is a Normal.

:)

But it sounds like you don't particularly care what other people are saying..

Good luck!!

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Yea, I do care. But these pics aren't good. But like I said, I'll ask Amir. He's the only person that knows his stuff and will be able to see it face to face. And like I said, it doesn't hurt to get a double check especially with a true BP breeder. :D

The pics are good enough to get a consensus that it is not a Hypo.

So you are offending everyone else that has answered your question by disrespecting them and telling them that they are not "true BP breeders"???

You have gall...

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

Who said I got it from a breeder? Anyways, I cant get the camera, so I'm just gonna go talk to Amir to see what he tells me it is. And if it isn't, then oh well. lol But anyways cant hurt to double check.

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Your persistence is quite respectable.... kinda.

You could ask GOD himself and he would tell you its a normal, and I'm sure you would argue back.

Why ask the question if you won't believe the answer?

Not a single person here believes it to be a Hypo. WE ALL OWN HYPOS AND CAN PICK THEM OUT FROM NORMALS. But go ask yet another person who will tell you its a normal. :gj:

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Originally Posted by BallPython17

He's the only person that knows his stuff and will be able to see it face to face. And like I said, it doesn't hurt to get a double check especially with a true BP breeder. :D

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I swear this could almost sound like insult :rolleyes:

FYI most people who have answered your thread actually breed BP, but heck what do they know about them :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I swear this could almost sound like insult :rolleyes:

FYI most people who have answered your thread actually breed BP, but heck what do they know about them :rofl:

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It is an insult... And I can guarantee that when Amir tells him its a normal he is going to then argue and say he knows nothing too. :thumbsdow

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I swear this could almost sound like insult :rolleyes:

FYI most people who have answered your thread actually breed BP, but heck what do they know about them :rofl:

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Exactly. LMFAO :rofl: I don't why people get so offensive on this website and most other reptile forums. Dam, I wish I can ask GOD, I'd even tell him to make it a blue snake or something. :please: lol. And I never said you guys weren't true BP breeders, I mean are you? If you get so offended maybe you guys really aren't. Maybe you don't even own BP's. lol. I'm just playing. Look guys I know your most likely 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% right, but I just want to double check. I really rather not get rid of this snake and then all this time it was a hypo/ghost. But I know ima keep getting told stuff cuz, I'm "offending you" or whatever. But it's cool. I know everyone on here has had an experience that they've had a snake that to them looked like something GOOD, but to others it didn't. And this is my moment. :banana::banana::banana: lol

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

It is an insult... And I can guarantee that when Amir tells him its a normal he is going to then argue and say he knows nothing too. :thumbsdow

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Nah. I never question Amir.

Another one bites the dust....Ima sure of it...

You should go ahead and ask Amir if it is an albino...JUST to make sure. Because you never know!












:rolleyes:

And when Amir tells you what everyone else has told you, will you come back and admit it and apologize?

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

And when Amir tells you what everyone else has told you, will you come back and admit it and apologize?

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Nope because to HIM its a Hypo.

And he is going to get RID of all his non-special animals. :weirdface

That's a hypo if I've ever seen one, no need to even ask Amir.

Alas, it IS a normal. Not a bad thing -- but a normal none the less...;)

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Originally Posted by panthercz

That's a hypo if I've ever seen one, no need to even ask Amir.

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:confused:

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

And when Amir tells you what everyone else has told you, will you come back and admit it and apologize?

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Sure. I'll apologize. It's ok to be wrong sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

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sarcasm:)

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

sarcasm

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