Getting a new snake at Daytona, need serious advice

Ok, so I am saving up for the Daytona show and I really don't know what to get to further my breeding projects. All the ones I am listing here I am equally a fan of, so no need for "go with what you like" (since I like all of the little buggers so much!). I will probably sell a snake, after the show, and I'd like advice on that as well. Probably one of my pastels or the ghost, but I want to wait til after the show to see what I end up getting. All my current snakes are in my sig, and I am basically looking for morphs that will provide interesting designer morphs down the line, not just the best money makers.

I've been told by an old time breeder friend that "color sells" so that is somewhat in the back of my mind, but I like all these equally. I just don't know what will add the most to my breeding stock in the years to come. I need advice on gender too, big time. My price range is around $600 or so, maybe a tiny bit more depending on what snake I try and sell.

Enchi

Pinstripe

Albino (can only get a male and maybe a het female to go with him, I'd really prefer high contrast, but that may be out of my league)

Cinnamon

Butter

Lesser Platinum (more info on this morph in general would be appreciated, I haven't been able to find much.)

Vanilla (though I've never seen one for sale at a Florida show)

a pair of het Axanthics, or maybe a cheap male if I can find one. I really want one that will keep the dark greys and blacks in to adult hood, I've heard VPI line is best for that.

a pair of het pieds, though probably out of my range

Spider - I really love all the different spider morphs, so a spider het for something interesting and then a normal het to go with him/her would be very appealing. I'm not really sure how the price ranges are on these, and if I ought to get another female spider or get a male spider, this is probably the trickiest choice I am considering, albino spiders look really awesome to me, same with Axanthic. Like a great deal on a het for albino spider paied with a 100% het albino female would make my day heh).

Woma


So yeah, some advice on the pros and cons of any of those, including their gender would be really appreciated. Theres just so many ones I wanna get I need some sound, impartial, grounded advice on where to go next with what I have. Cheaper is also better. If you think I could get about equal benefit on a snake that will only cost me $350 vs marginal benefits for one that is $200 more I am going for the $350 one.

I know I've posted a lot. I don' expect people to offer comments on every single morph I mentioned (and looking back damn did I mention a lot). Just pick a few morphs you have some knowledge to share about and discuss those. I am sure there are a lot of people in a similar situation that'd love to learn the thought process in to building a good, affordable breeding stock. Especially when buying at shows I like to have a lot of things on my mind incase I find a good deal on something and I can know right away if it is a good fit for me.

Excellent choices!
Only problem with that is that vanillas sell for the 1-2k price range.
Anything else could probably stay under your budget.
But to get something starting in your breeding project, I would recommend a pinstripe
you would make spinners with your spiders, lemon blasts with your pastels, jigsaws with your mojave, and maybe a ghost pin(never heard of it before) with your ghost, and just plain old pins with your normal!

I think the pin would do really good with your current collection.

For sure a Pin!

Daniel

Pin was topping my list for sure. Male I assume to go with my current spider? Then next season he could probably go with my pastel and mojave. Would also have some money to play with to get something else cool if I find some good deals, like an enchi or cinny. Both of those would add some really nice possibilities.

I am also thinking of maybe selling my current baby female pastel (at 275g or so now) and then just picking up a beefier one around a year from now. Seems like the prices on them are dropping pretty fast. She is a decent one, but not amazing. Pretty nice blushing in some places, and her color is a little on the dull side when compared to my male, but I think she may brighten with age. Then again may just be simpler to keep raising her myself. Can never really tell what kind of super or lemon blasts and what not she will make in the future. This sound thinking?

Thanks for the input so far!

if i was in your position i would probably be looking at a male lesser or butter first. Second would be a woma because they are some what rare, not a whole lot of people working with them. third would be a pin

just make a list and see whats at the show. if you cant find one at the right price or one that catches your eye, move to the next

Get a lesser female. Thats what im picking up at the daytona show. I am breeding her to my male mojo and my male spider to make BEL's and lesser bee's.

You can't go wrong with a male pinstripe. It would definitely work well with what you have already.

Robin
H2 Exotics

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Originally Posted by guambomb832

Only problem with that is that vanillas sell for the 1-2k price range.

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Those prices are way off!!!

Unfortunately You can pick up a Male Vanilla for 200 dollars or less.

I just wanted to say that if that were my list, I would get the Enchi. It will mix well with your Spider, Pastels and Mojaves.

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Originally Posted by euphuistical

Vanilla (though I've never seen one for sale at a Florida show)

a pair of het pieds, though probably out of my range

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As for the 2 above comments. You apparently haven't been to Daytona before. I say that because Chris McQuaid (Gulf Coast Reptiles) is there every year, and he founded the Vanilla morph.

Also, if you look hard, you can probably find a trio of Het Pieds for $600.

Just my .02,

Yeah this is my first time at Daytona. I'm super pumped.

And yeah i am going with a list and some prices and will juust see what fits. Butters, pins are topping my list. Along with maybe a male spider het for
something that I like.

Will someone explain lesser plats to me some? Especially how they differ from butters I still don't have a good idea of how their genes work. Lesser
x lesser = an all white snake right? The nerd site doesn't have a good explanation.

Thanks again

If I were you - I'd just go with my list and buy the hottest example you can find of one of them. If you go and you say "I want a pinstripe", but then you find a screaming enchi for example, do you just bypass the enchi?

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If I were you - I'd just go with my list and buy the hottest example you can find of one of them. If you go and you say "I want a pinstripe", but then you find a screaming enchi for example, do you just bypass the enchi?

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Yeah, exactly.

Gonna need to do some more researching and using the search here to make sure I have a good eye of what to look for in each morph. Weight is a factor too, would be nice if I get a male if I can get him up to weight in time for this coming season.

Keep the advice coming. I really need clarification on how butters and lesser platinums interact with my current morphs.

If I go with a less expensive morph, say an Enchi maybe and have some cash left over do you think a male spider would be a good addition? Or only a male spider say het for albino or ghost or something else cool? There are just so many awesome spider morphs I want to work on. Or would another female be a better investment? I'm not really sure.

Damn ball pythons, so many awesome morphs and so little money and space! Can't ask for a more beautiful addiction though hehe.

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Originally Posted by euphuistical

If I go with a less expensive morph, say an Enchi maybe and have some cash left over do you think a male spider would be a good addition? Or only a male spider say het for albino or ghost or something else cool? There are just so many awesome spider morphs I want to work on. Or would another female be a better investment? I'm not really sure.

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I hope an enchi isn't a less expensive morph, at least not a screamer. I've seen enchi's that I couldn't tell it was an enchi for $100, but I wouldn't pay even $100 for one like that.

Expect to pay $500/$600 for a screaming enchi (like in my avatar).

For me personally - when I'm adding morphs, I was the very best example of one that I can find. I'm willing to pay more to get a finer looking animal, the best of the best. In the end, I know that quality begets quality when breeding. That includes the normals that you choose to pair up with your morphs.

So it's almost daytona time. Got about 600 (if some things go well I may have around 1k to play with). Looking for some good last minute advice. I am. Gonna get an absolute screamer (probably a male) of one of the following:
lesser
butter
pinstripe
enchi
cinny (or maybe just a pewter)
albino (only a really rocking high contrast one, doesn't quite fit in with my breeding plans but I've always liked them and there is always cool stuff to do with them)
or an axanthic that really catches my eye.

Now in addition to price or other advice can people post some pics of prime examples of these morphs? Just want another set of pics to look at besides Nerd's site.

Well pics-
How about a Black PAstel instead of Cinny?
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...ackPastel1.jpg

High contrast Albino (in shed, sorry)-
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4469.jpg

SK Axanthic-
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...s/IMG_4462.jpg

Good luck at the show!

More pics please!

Especially of enchis, womas and pins. (and lesser/butter too hehe).


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Thanks

if it were me id get a butter and a pinstripe. also if u see a breeder with some smokin pin and butter offer him the 600 for them both. alot of breeders give u discount for multiple snake purchase. u could do alot with what u have.expecially down the road

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Originally Posted by crbballs

if it were me id get a butter and a pinstripe. also if u see a breeder with some smokin pin and butter offer him the 600 for them both. alot of breeders give u discount for multiple snake purchase. u could do alot with what u have.expecially down the road

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Yeah I am always looking for deals when buying multiple snakes. But i'd really like to get some more pics of great looking animals

For your pin + lesser do you mean both male or female or just whichever I can get?

My enchi

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...nchi/enchi.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i/IMG_5231.jpg

My pinstripe

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...e/IMG_5391.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...e/IMG_5383.jpg

One of my lemon pastels I produced last year
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_5451.jpg

One of my spiders
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_5632.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_5637.jpg

i would say males. theyll be cheaper and u have some nice morphs to breed them with expecially that spider. u can also breed them w ur normals in hopes for a girl and hold her back for future breeding. just my opinion but ultimately its ur choice.

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My enchi

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...nchi/enchi.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...i/IMG_5231.jpg

My pinstripe

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...e/IMG_5391.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...e/IMG_5383.jpg

One of my lemon pastels I produced last year
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_5451.jpg

One of my spiders
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_5632.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...a/IMG_5637.jpg

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All spectacular Robin BUT love that Enchi :)

Yeah I haven't been too in to enchis but after seeing that one I am amazed.

And yeah I will be going males I think. Will leave me more money for another snake or a rack system.

Can't beat womas or pins either.

Butter fo sho! They have really cool colorings and if you can find a nice reduced one, you hit the jackpot!

If you have $1k, I would look to pick up one the following packages:

1. Lemon Blast
1. Black Pastel
.1 Cinnamon

or:

1. Pewter
.2 Pinstripe
.1 Cinnamon or Black Pastel
(Opposite of what was used to produce the Pewter.)

or:

1.1 Pinstripe
1.1 Cinnamon
1.1 Black Pastel

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Originally Posted by euphuistical

Yeah I haven't been too in to enchis but after seeing that one I am amazed.

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When I decided to add an enchi to my collection, I was VERY discriminating about the quality that I wanted to add. I always say "there are enchis and then there are ENCHIS". I did pay more than market price for enchis in order to obtain this girl, and I think she was well worth it. I've seen enchis for $100 that I was hard pressed to tell was an enchi and not just a reduced normal. I personally don't add a morph for the sake of adding a morph - I want to get the very best example that I can find, and I'm willing to pay more for that opportunity.

This is where I believe the future of the ball python market SHOULD be - on a graded scale, based on quality. I plan to grade the animals that I produce, with the best examples being more than the average or lower grades.

So what did you end up picking up at the show?
I picked up a pair of het axanthic ball's.

Id get a hypo female...
Kevin

my brother just picked up a pair of butters for 800. so you should be able to pick something up.

i like lessers.

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So what did you end up picking up at the show?
I picked up a pair of het axanthic ball's.

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I'm heading there Sunday morning. Gonna see what's left and go from
there.

There's a chance I missed some thing of interest but I'm
sure I can find something I like in my range. I'll take a pic and post it as soon asi get it :)

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Originally Posted by euphuistical

I'm heading there Sunday morning. Gonna see what's left and go from
there.

There's a chance I missed some thing of interest but I'm
sure I can find something I like in my range. I'll take a pic and post it as soon asi get it :)

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Nice, Sunday is when you will get the best deals. I plan on going back again in the morning as well. We will probably brush shoulders.

Here is what I got, baby male cinny and baby female pinstripe.

They are both awesome, but the cinny has such an amazing black stripe going down his back, I love it.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/cin_pin1.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8/cin_pin1.jpg

what did you pay for them??? If I may ask!

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what did you pay for them??? If I may ask!

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$350 for the pair.

OMG
350 for 2?!?! or 350 EACH?
that pinstripe is grade A IMO
im not too into cinnys, but its nice and dark ;p

I've been looking at morph pics since i found out about BP morphs. I have a pretty good idea of what makes up the morphs that I want to add to my collection. It really helps if you have a normal to compare them too.

Like Robin said, a screaming morph example is unmistakable. These animals are both owned by Adam of 8ball pythons (at the time i took the photo, Nov/Dec 08). The left is a normal and the right is an enchi. The type of enchi I would want. There is no mistaking that animal for a normal.

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/q...ormalEnchi.jpg

I am so mad! You can get a Pin and Cinni for 350 in US, But in Canada a Pin alone is 750 and a male Cinni is 400.

Daniel

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I am so mad! You can get a Pin and Cinni for 350 in US, But in Canada a Pin alone is 750 and a male Cinni is 400.

Daniel

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You are mad that our market is stable and hasn't plummeted? I understand it is nice getting better deals on stuff, but wouldn't you like to turn around and sell your offspring for more? Can't have it both ways.

Robin

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OMG
350 for 2?!?! or 350 EACH?
that pinstripe is grade A IMO
im not too into cinnys, but its nice and dark ;p

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That's right, $350 for the pair. Though they had only had one meal each.

The cinny has eaten 3 small ASFs so far. I've offered one to the pin but no go yet but I've only had them 5 days.

I'll post more pics of the cinny. His markings are just unreal.