Champagne Ringer and Butter Spinnerblast

Brock hatched out a champagne ringer and it is one heck of a ringer! Also have a post shed pic of a killer blast and butter spinnerblast.
Sorry the picks suck, I used my wife's point and shoot.

Champagne ringer:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...G_4338copy.jpg

Killer blast and butter spinnerblast:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...G_4343copy.jpg

WOW!!! One heck of a ringer is right! That thing is INSANE! Is it possible that the parents were both Het Pied? Or one of those random morphs like the Pastel that popped out of Brad's Caramel x Normal Het Caramel clutch? They're all gorgeous, but that Champagne just blows my mind! I would assume that Brock is going to hold onto that one, or is he going to let it go? Is it male or female? Thanks for the pictures, Chris!

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Originally Posted by LGL

WOW!!! One heck of a ringer is right! That thing is INSANE! Is it possible that the parents were both Het Pied? Or one of those random morphs like the Pastel that popped out of Brad's Caramel x Normal Het Caramel clutch? They're all gorgeous, but that Champagne just blows my mind! I would assume that Brock is going to hold onto that one, or is he going to let it go? Is it male or female? Thanks for the pictures, Chris!

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Yeah the champagnes just seem very random. From looking at all the hatching's from last year and this year, they all look different. I'm not sure if some weird hidden genetic thing is going on or if it really is just a big time ringer.

I think Brock said that it's a female and he was planning on selling it. He thought someone would want it just because of how cool it looks.

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Originally Posted by panthercz

Yeah the champagnes just seem very random. From looking at all the hatching's from last year and this year, they all look different. I'm not sure if some weird hidden genetic thing is going on or if it really is just a big time ringer.

I think Brock said that it's a female and he was planning on selling it. He thought someone would want it just because of how cool it looks.

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yeah, id try to prove that out...might have something there....goodluck!

Is he sure he should call it a ringer???
SHouldn't it be a champagne pied?
A ringer is usually id'd by a ring of white near the tail on an other wise normally colored snake, or a color morph..
OR would it be a paradox champagne pied??

Carol

Lol that snake has no pants on.

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Originally Posted by Montessa Python

Is he sure he should call it a ringer???
SHouldn't it be a champagne pied?
A ringer is usually id'd by a ring of white near the tail on an other wise normally colored snake, or a color morph..
OR would it be a paradox champagne pied??

Carol

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If it has no pied in it...it cannot be a pied...simple

that's very very very nice daimn

um somebody cut the ass end off of that that snake and replaced it with the wrong color!:O Somwhere out there is a bel with a yellow butt.

Wow, that's mad! And awesome.

What an awesome looking animal!

Really.. no one has heard of a high white pied?
http://www.alanboschreptiles.com/
http://www.rcreptiles.com/images/col...n/100_2286.jpg
This last one looks normal till you get to the white.
http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9

I mean we can have other color morph pied such as the spied or spider pied
http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/spied.html

a Mojo Pied
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=94767

I am only saying it can't be a ringer... too much white.
Why not simply call it a champagne pied??

Wow, The surprizes never end with ball pythons! Nice!

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Originally Posted by Montessa Python

Really.. no one has heard of a high white pied?
http://www.alanboschreptiles.com/
http://www.rcreptiles.com/images/col...n/100_2286.jpg
This last one looks normal till you get to the white.
http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9

I mean we can have other color morph pied such as the spied or spider pied
http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/spied.html

a Mojo Pied
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=94767

I am only saying it can't be a ringer... too much white.
Why not simply call it a champagne pied??

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Because you can't call something a pied unless it IS a pied.

But I agree that is one hot animal, very hard for me to call it a ringer. Perhaps there were some unknown hets with the parents floating around OR like that Pastel out of the Caramel clutch, this is a random new line of.. something. :P

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Originally Posted by Montessa Python

Really.. no one has heard of a high white pied?
http://www.alanboschreptiles.com/
http://www.rcreptiles.com/images/col...n/100_2286.jpg
This last one looks normal till you get to the white.
http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9

I mean we can have other color morph pied such as the spied or spider pied
http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/spied.html

a Mojo Pied
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=94767

I am only saying it can't be a ringer... too much white.
Why not simply call it a champagne pied??

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Because unless it's proven genetic, it's a ringer.. I believe. Unless I'm completely wrong. I'm also pretty sure if Brock called it a ringer, it's a ringer lol

Wow that is some crazy stuff!
Thanks for sharing.

Pieds have abberrant patterns which that one doesnt. It is very cool though!

wow.. now thats a ringer!!! But now we see what a champagne pied would possibly look like. and me like!! congrats on that. I also like the butter spinner blast.. the muted coloration is gorgeous.

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Originally Posted by Montessa Python

I am only saying it can't be a ringer... too much white.
Why not simply call it a champagne pied??

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It isn't a champagne piebald because it isn't a piebald. The white has nothing to do with what morph it is, the genetics are what determine what morph it is. There are lots of ringers out there, some have more white than others, none of which are genetic though.
Until you can prove this a piebald through breeding (unlikely as I don't think Brock has a bunch of hets laying around he didn't know where hets), then it's a ringer.

i have a fire that is a double ringer that i purchased from steve roussis. the entire clutch were all ringers. genetic? time will tell.

If there arent any pied genetics present, then its not a pied, it doesnt matter how much white is on the snake...

Anyways, that is a stunning snake!

Thanks for the compliments everyone. The Champagne is just a ringer. She came out that way and was produced from one of my normal females. I think that the Champagne gene throws some wicked Pied type snakes! I just love it.

Brock

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Originally Posted by Montessa Python

Really.. no one has heard of a high white pied?
http://www.alanboschreptiles.com/
http://www.rcreptiles.com/images/col...n/100_2286.jpg
This last one looks normal till you get to the white.
http://imageevent.com/publicgallery/...=0&w=4&s=0&z=9

I mean we can have other color morph pied such as the spied or spider pied
http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/spied.html

a Mojo Pied
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=94767

I am only saying it can't be a ringer... too much white.
Why not simply call it a champagne pied??

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Did you even read my post?!?!?!?


It CANNOT be a pied...if there is no pied in it....DUH!!!!!!

Incredible snakes Brock, especially the champagne!

Butter SPinnerblast.

These names crack me up. :rofl:

Wow stunning !


Ringer is something that pops here and there.

So it's either something genetic with like 3-4 gene that need to make it
or
it's related to the incubation

What ever, this is one hell of a ringer. I wouldn't even call it like that.

Just something crazy. May be it was just placed weird in the eggs and part of the coloration didn't make it, or something that I can't understand :) may be it will prove out one day, may be never.

mine..mine..please make mine.... holy smokes- so hott cant type..must have:taz: *making grabbing hands*

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Originally Posted by panthercz

Yeah the champagnes just seem very random. From looking at all the hatching's from last year and this year, they all look different. I'm not sure if some weird hidden genetic thing is going on or if it really is just a big time ringer.

I think Brock said that it's a female and he was planning on selling it. He thought someone would want it just because of how cool it looks.

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so how much is it??

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Originally Posted by Warocker's Wife

so how much is it??

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Please keep all sales inquiries and discussions in PM's. :)

:O:O Now thats a ringer! That has to be the best ringer I've ever seen! :bow::bow:

How the heck did I miss these pictures!! I must have been in la la land.

Awesome stuff!

sweet looking ringer lol I call it a half breed lol since it only have champagne lol..

:O WOW! That's one hot ringer!!!

Are we sure Brock didnt just dip her in a low level Bleach solution over and over to get that?:) lol