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I just moved 23 weanlings into a grow up tank. These all came from two different litters, and one of them ended up being an Albino. So I left it in the colony to grow up because it also happened to be a female.

Has anyone had Albinos come from non albino parents?

Out of the 50 or so ASFs I have none are Albino, so I was very excited to see this but very curious as well, because it is the only one and have not had any yet.

describe what you call an albino. Pictures would be even better.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

describe what you call an albino. Pictures would be even better.

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Its not a PEW, but it is an amber colored gremlin with red eyes.

The Amber color is simple recessive. All the dilutes are simple recessive for ASF's.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

The Amber color is simple recessive. All the dilutes are simple recessive for ASF's.

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I just found it odd that one out of almost 50 was pink eyed from non albino parents.

i had this happen too, the funny part is that the male and female were from separate lines too, mine are the pied kinds though, they have the blond cape and pink eyes
I have a total of 5 from 3 litters from the group that produces them. Im trying to produce some like you described though, ive got a group of 2 gremlin females with a male whatever you call it... blond pied

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I just found it odd that one out of almost 50 was pink eyed from non albino parents.

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bare in mind that the general consensus is that the baby you produced is NOT an albino but a PED. If it were albino it would be ALL white with red eyes... (still hasn't been produced by anyone as far as I know)

I got one that has just the tiniest brown splotch on it probly like 98% white with red eyes. I'm waiting for it to grow up and color in more to see what it looks like.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

bare in mind that the general consensus is that the baby you produced is NOT an albino but a PED. If it were albino it would be ALL white with red eyes... (still hasn't been produced by anyone as far as I know)

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I understand what you mean.

So technically would it be a T+ albino?

I know in mice there are different sorts of PED. Grey, Amber, and White....

What causes the Pink eyes if not for some form of albinism?

Connie has to answer from here. I am not educated enough on this particular subject to answer.

I will take a picture of her later today when I am setting up some other stuff, I'll post it so you can see her.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I understand what you mean.

So technically would it be a T+ albino?

I know in mice there are different sorts of PED. Grey, Amber, and White....

What causes the Pink eyes if not for some form of albinism?

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It's a dilution, and is not on the albino locus, it's NOT a product of albinism. There is a difference in how the gene effects melanin between dilutes and albinism. It's technical, but you can read about how dilutes and albino genes work at ratbehavior.org.

Albinism is the absense of melanin in the entire body, it is not from the limiting of the placement of pigment cells, but the pigment isn't being produced in the body anywhere. A dilute effects certain colors of melanin, and can be created by many different genes. Like we see in ball pythons between our T+ and T- albinos.

The problem is the reptile hobby calls things differently than what science has a labelled them as, and it's difficult to explain the small differences without teaching a darn class about it.

All together, they are very close in what they do, but, it's easiest to say that the genes that creat the fawn/amber colors is not on the locus that creates albinism, or even partial albinism.

I hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Hornby

I got one that has just the tiniest brown splotch on it probly like 98% white with red eyes. I'm waiting for it to grow up and color in more to see what it looks like.

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The white spotting gene is quite variable, and a picture has been posted here of one. The white spotting gene can achieve a black eyed white, which I call an extreme pied.

The animal is not an albino, but was selectively bred for less and less pigmented areas on the body. They are available in Europe and I have pictures on my website one of the owners let me post.