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  • 06-28-2009, 08:10 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    May be a easy question or a long thread idk as im lost.

    I have a male spider, female albino and soon to be male pastel.

    Now what are my outcomes gonna look like if i breed the pastel and spider to the albino. or would i have a better chance at breeding the spider to a female pastel to get better odds. i am lost as to what will come of the 2 males to albino.
  • 06-28-2009, 08:34 PM
    Jyson
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    If you breed your spider and pastel to your albino, you are probably going to produce spiders het albino and pastel het albinos. The pastel albinos really aren't that spectacular, they just look like reg. albinos really. Now the spider albino is a Hawt! But that is just my two cents.

    EDIT: I would say, get a female pastel and then breed your male spider to both your albino and the pastel.
  • 06-28-2009, 08:40 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    Thats what i was thinking too so i can produce the het albino spiders to then get my all time favorite Albino spider. and my second fav Bumble bee.


    Heres another what will come of albino spider to bumble bee. I would say all will be 100% het albino. spiders,normals,pastels,bees but im not sure if im on right trak
  • 06-28-2009, 08:49 PM
    Jyson
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flameethrower View Post
    Heres another what will come of albino spider to bumble bee. I would say all will be 100% het albino. spiders,normals,pastels,bees but im not sure if im on right trak

    Actually, an Albino Spider X Bumblebee would give you:
    Spiders het albino
    Bumblebee Het albino

    ;)
  • 06-28-2009, 08:55 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    That clears that up Thanks
  • 06-28-2009, 10:37 PM
    The Beast
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jyson View Post
    Actually, an Albino Spider X Bumblebee would give you:
    Spiders het albino
    Bumblebee Het albino

    ;)

    I thought that spider x spider was a lethal paring..?

    wouldn't breeding 2 spider combos together also be lethal?
  • 06-28-2009, 10:40 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    No cause the albino spider has another gene diluting it. its not a direct spider x spider
  • 06-28-2009, 11:33 PM
    DesignerBP
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    a lethal pairing???
  • 06-28-2009, 11:38 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    not really referring to lethal but he was leaning towards the genetic disorders spiders have.
  • 06-28-2009, 11:39 PM
    euphuistical
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DesignerBP View Post
    a lethal pairing???

    I've never heard that before either. I've often thought that even though spider is a dominant morph having a homozygous spider would be handy for breeding to ensure spiderness among all the offspring.
  • 06-29-2009, 12:05 AM
    Turbo Serpent
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The Beast View Post
    I thought that spider x spider was a lethal paring..?

    wouldn't breeding 2 spider combos together also be lethal?

    Spiders are suspected of being lethal in the homozygous form but thats a rumor and nobody has any proof, but nobody has any proof of the existance of a homozygous spider either....

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flameethrower View Post
    No cause the albino spider has another gene diluting it. its not a direct spider x spider

    The Albino has nothing to do with diluting the spider gene. :gj:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DesignerBP View Post
    a lethal pairing???

    The pairing wouldn't be lethal but any eggs that would contain homozygous spiders are thought to die before hatching, thus the rumored lethality of the homozygous spider.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by flameethrower View Post
    not really referring to lethal but he was leaning towards the genetic disorders spiders have.

    The only genetic disorder in spiders is the wobble/spins and that has nothing to do with homozygous spiders.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by euphuistical View Post
    I've never heard that before either. I've often thought that even though spider is a dominant morph having a homozygous spider would be handy for breeding to ensure spiderness among all the offspring.

    It definitely would be handy, but nobody has been able to honestly say they have a homozygous spider. Some get lucky and hatch 100% but not consistently. :gj:
  • 06-29-2009, 12:20 AM
    euphuistical
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    Quote:

    It definitely would be handy, but nobody has been able to honestly say they have a homozygous spider. Some get lucky and hatch 100% but not consistently. :gj:
    Oh yeah, trying to sell one and have people believe you would be tricky I'd imagine, but investing in your own could have a +EV value to it, would just depend on how badly you'd need to ensure a future project would need to have the spider gene in it I guess. Food for thought mostly.
  • 06-29-2009, 12:24 AM
    Turbo Serpent
    Re: Breeding Albino,Spider,Pastel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by euphuistical View Post
    Oh yeah, trying to sell one and have people believe you would be tricky I'd imagine, but investing in your own could have a +EV value to it, would just depend on how badly you'd need to ensure a future project would need to have the spider gene in it I guess. Food for thought mostly.

    The issue is that there is not any proof of one even existing... AT ALL. Everyone says they know someone who knows someone, but in all reality its just a rumor, and until a large breeder comes forth with proof, not many will believe it. At the same time there is no proof of the homozygous lethal either... double edged sword, imo.
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