Best starter morph?

I have a quick question for all you experienced breeders out there. If you could spend up to $1000 on a single morph to start out breeding, what morph would that be and why?

Can't wait to hear from you all!
Fadere :banana:

You could spend 1k on a Bumblebee Male and run him through a few normal females. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

You could spend 1k on a Bumblebee Male and run him through a few normal females. :gj:

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that's one thing I was considering doing. however, it seems that it would be too common of an idea. I'm really curious to see what everyone says lol. Even if it's just normals, I want to hear a good reason why(or atleast an interesting one) :)

Buy a male het [anything] and 4 or 5 female poss hets ;)

Or the same thing with a codom trait and normal females.

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Originally Posted by LizardofOzz

Buy a male het [anything] and 4 or 5 female poss hets ;)

Or the same thing with a codom trait and normal females.

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:8: ah, I didn't think of that. I was pretty much writing off poss hets altogether, but this would be the case I can see them most useful. Lower cost for a possible morph outcome, a gamble that could be worth taking with the right morphs :D

Personally, my choice here is a bumblebee too. But a codom male het for something lus a female het for something can be nice too. Hmm, lets say a male spider het hypo plus a female het hypo will do. Though Im not pretty sure if that would fit in the budget. :)

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Originally Posted by Freddiesinmyseat

:8: ah, I didn't think of that. I was pretty much writing off poss hets altogether, but this would be the case I can see them most useful. Lower cost for a possible morph outcome, a gamble that could be worth taking with the right morphs :D

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Thats the cheapest way to do it... a better way would be to get a male homozygous (i.e. an actual albino to test on poss het albinos)

That way you have a lot better chances of getting homozygous babies out of the poss hets if they happen to be hets. as opposed to say a Male het to a female poss het and getting no albino babies- you still could have a het female that just missed out on the odds.

Of course it all depends on how much cash you wanna throw down in the beginning ;)

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Originally Posted by LizardofOzz

Thats the cheapest way to do it... a better way would be to get a male homozygous (i.e. an actual albino to test on poss het albinos)

That way you have a lot better chances of getting homozygous babies out of the poss hets if they happen to be hets. as opposed to say a Male het to a female poss het and getting no albino babies- you still could have a het female that just missed out on the odds.

Of course it all depends on how much cash you wanna throw down in the beginning ;)

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that's where my financial planning comes in :gj:

I'm pretty much setting up a detailed 5 year plan based on job income, breeding income, breeding expenses and basic living expenses, then calculating in savings for the "oh crap" account.

liking the ideas so far though, definitely something to think about

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Originally Posted by jopay

Personally, my choice here is a bumblebee too. But a codom male het for something lus a female het for something can be nice too. Hmm, lets say a male spider het hypo plus a female het hypo will do. Though Im not pretty sure if that would fit in the budget. :)

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lol. maybe not spider het hypo, but something along those lines would definitely make sense. :)

The most expensive one you can afford. That's my smart a## answer for the day. If you would like to breed, you can recoup your money faster that way, however, remember that you will clean and feed whatever you buy for at least 20 years.

A serious answer: Get an albino male, and an adult het albino female.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

The most expensive one you can afford. That's my smart a## answer for the day. If you would like to breed, you can recoup your money faster that way, however, remember that you will clean and feed whatever you buy for at least 20 years.

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most definitely. if I end up with retired breeders, they become part of the family or go to new homes (after inspection and such) for free, most likely with close friends and family that I can rely on to take proper care of them. If they end up not getting the proper care I'd be more than willing to take them back.

I'd be a caretaker first and a breeder second, I won't mix my priorities. :gj:

cant go wrong with a lesser :yes:

I just purchased 1.2 BHB line 08 het clowns for just under $1000.

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Originally Posted by nicktreb

I just purchased 1.2 BHB line 08 het clowns for just under $1000.

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Yes! I would get 2 or 3 female hets and then after a year get the male homocygote. Since it takes more for a female to be ready to breed, this way you dont need to spend everything righ now.

get a mojave and lesser with a couple breeder size normals and produce a couple whos your daddy clutches............... might hit the jackpot and get a lucy..... hey you never know then you can breed the lucy to whatever your heart desires and go crazy with combos!!! :gj:

It really depends on what your short term and long range goals are. I know, I hate answers like that too.

But, if you need to make some $$ back within a year to continue to raise your animals and add to your collection, then buy a popular co-dom like the examples given and 3 adult female proven breeder normals between 1500 and 2000 grams. A male bumblebee is always my first choice for a codom because you can get 3 morphs when bred to a female, but a lesser, butter, or mojave are great too. You should be able to recoup your initial investment in about a year.

If short term $$ is not necessary they you have more options. You can go the route of trying to prove out hets; always fun when you prove one out but this is easily a long-term project if it doesn't prove out in the first or second breedings. Or you can buy a recessive homozygous male (albino would be in your price range as mentioned by Winged Wolf above) and a couple of older juvenile proven breeder female hets. This is a shorter term projects but hets can be very hard to sell if you don't have a name yet. If you go this route, take pics of the male and female as they lock up . . . this will give some "proof" if the potential buyers are interested.

Good luck and tell us what you decide.

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Originally Posted by th3jok3r

get a mojave and lesser with a couple breeder size normals and produce a couple whos your daddy clutches............... might hit the jackpot and get a lucy..... hey you never know then you can breed the lucy to whatever your heart desires and go crazy with combos!!! :gj:

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You wouldn't be able to get a leucistic in that fashion. In order to get a leucistic you need to have the 'het' for leucistic gene on both sides of the parentage...you might at best get a double sired clutch which would have mojaves and lessers, but there would be no chance of a leucistic from pairing a mojave and lesser to a normal. The male's sperm cannot interact in that way.

Personally I'd go with the idea of several poss het females and a 100% het male, or a homo male if you'd like, because recessives retain their value for longer and as such you'd be less likely to spend $1000 now on a breeding project which won't mature until the same project could be bought for $500 or something due to the way codom prices have been bottoming out, if you're looking at this purely from a investment-return scenario. However, I do think that the best idea is to get the animal that you are the happiest with. Get something that you would genuinely love to own, and then it won't matter to you if they end up not producing for five years--it'd be okay, because you would love the animals!

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Originally Posted by th3jok3r

get a mojave and lesser with a couple breeder size normals and produce a couple whos your daddy clutches............... might hit the jackpot and get a lucy..... hey you never know then you can breed the lucy to whatever your heart desires and go crazy with combos!!! :gj:

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How would you get a BEL from breeding both a Mojave and Lesser to a normal? Only one sire per egg. You can multiple sire a clutch, but each egg only receives one set of genes. There is no way possible to get a BEL from that combo.

I just bought a 1.0 albino, 1.0 pastel, 1.0 spider and .1 het albino. I plan on buying a few more female het albinos, either a pastel or spider female and a few breeder sized normals to start with. It also just depends on whether I come across some good deals on near breeder sized morph females, ya never know.

Any $ I make from that will probably be used to fund pied's. I'm DYING to own a pied.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

How would you get a BEL from breeding both a Mojave and Lesser to a normal? Only one sire per egg. You can multiple sire a clutch, but each egg only receives one set of genes. There is no way possible to get a BEL from that combo.

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im still trying wats the worst that can happen a clutch of only mojaves or lessers lol

I think you should get these balls:
-Albino
-Cinnamon
-Spider
-Pastel
-Ghost

Those are great morphs to start out with, and they are all under 1k so you save some money to get supplies and the enclosure if you haven't already. Anyway, just saying those are some great morphs that are just beautiful. I, personally, like the albinos, cinnamons, and spiders.

everyone's giving some great ideas. while I am looking for a quick return for my investment to fund future pairings, I am also looking at the long term. I'll look more into the financial aspect on a per morph basis to see what's kept value and what's fluctuated. I'll also be taking into consideration the future combos I'd like to be making. Plenty of pairings I'd like to try with a pied (just like the rest of you lol) as well as enchi, spiders, pins, spinners, etc.

really looking at the wonderful combos and have some interesting ideas for when I'm well established.

with the upcoming expos in august and october in the NW, I might find myself with a few additions ^^

looking to get a few breeder size normal females and a bumblebee male probably. that, or take the more risky route with poss het females, 100% het male first year and then grow my collection the following year adding in spiders/pins/granites for combos.

still have time though so the plan continues to change and take shape ^^

KEEP EM COMING! XD

I would get a Super Pastel or a Bumblebee to pair off to normal females.

Bumblebee would be my pick as well. When I first started 2 years ago I spent 5000 on full grown breeders and made my bumblebee. He is the reason I got into ball pythons. Anything with a spider in it I want. Good luck..... let us know what you end up doing.

With $1000 I would save up a little bit more, try to get an '09 female pied and ask them to throw in a male het.
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You could get a female ghost or albino and maybe a spider and/or pastel male and breed them both to her and start projects?

If you have 1k to spend get a few Mojaves and yellow bellies. Should be able to get a pair of each

Female Lesser!! Then no matter what happens you know your're well on your way to hatching some of your own BEL's.

Since we got a thread on it, I'd like some input on my starting collection. I haven't bred anything yet, just trying to get a good foundation.

1.1 pastel (male is ready to breed, female is only 250g now)
1.1 mojave (male is only 200g, female 300g)
0.1 spider (she is at around 900g)
1.0 ghost (480g)
0.5 normal (3 nearing the 1400g mark, two around 900g)


I am a big fan of all of them, but I've been thinking of maybe selling the ghost for an enchi or cinnamon or something. Any thoughts on that? But I know down the line ghost bumble bees and ghost pastels and pastaves would be quite cool. Just any advice on what males and females would be best to add would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by euphuistical

Since we got a thread on it, I'd like some input on my starting collection. I haven't bred anything yet, just trying to get a good foundation.

1.1 pastel (male is ready to breed, female is only 250g now)
1.1 mojave (male is only 200g, female 300g)
0.1 spider (she is at around 900g)
1.0 ghost (480g)
0.5 normal (3 nearing the 1400g mark, two around 900g)


I am a big fan of all of them, but I've been thinking of maybe selling the ghost for an enchi or cinnamon or something. Any thoughts on that? But I know down the line ghost bumble bees and ghost pastels and pastaves would be quite cool. Just any advice on what males and females would be best to add would be appreciated.

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Nice collection so far! If it was me and i was selling the ghost to go with a co-dom or dom morph, it would have to be a female and most likely a pinstripe.

well i really think peids are a strong investment and you can pick up a decent size pair for less than that. honestly if it were my choice id get a double het albino pied male, (eassily found for 300$), and a 07 het pied female (around 700$) and work ur magic on some poss double hets plus maybe a visual pied or two. since single morphs are becoming more and more popular i think its wise to invest in some double morphs, or things of the such, for other breeders doing the same. i have 6 eggs from het piedX50% het caramel im going to have fun with real soon lol. its a long shot but at least i know ill get some poss het pieds.

after thinking about it a bit more, I'm considering a recessive trait morph (or 100% het), some poss hets for same trait and a dom/codom.

probably something like this:
1.0 axanthic (100% het axanthic)
0.4 50% poss. het axanthics
0.1 spider

that way I can prove out the poss hets the first year while getting some spider poss het axanthics as well. then if any of the females prove out, I could take the spider poss hets and breed them to the proven females (if there's any males) by the next year to 2 years and get some axanthic spiders.

within the following years I could also invest in some pastels, pinstripes, or otherwise and breed them to the axanthic spiders for say bumblebee 100% het axanthic.

I will, however, have to keep in mind that the recessive traits need to be from compatible lines.

thanks for all of your guys' and gals' input. can't wait to get to these upcoming expos :)

I say go with either an albino and het albinos, or a codom / simple recessive, like a pastel ghost.

You could buy 1.0 spider and 0.1 pastel and you'll get a varied clutch!