How Do Breeders Have Lines?

I've alwasy wondered how some breeders have their own lines of morphs.. For example, Theres The Graziani Line Of Pastels, Theres The Nerd Line, etc... What do you have to do in order to have your own line? Just produce something and call it your line? Or is it that, Everyone has their own lines but some are better than others so some are more heard of? IDK! Please help me, im very confused hahaha

You have to import a new morph. Or you have to import a new animal from one of the existing morphs straight from Africa.

Or produce something completely new.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

You have to import a new morph. Or you have to import a new animal from one of the existing morphs straight from Africa.

Or produce something completely new.

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How do you do that? haha, so grazianni imported there line of pastels from africa??

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Originally Posted by DBD

How do you do that? haha, so grazianni imported there line of pastels from africa??

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Yep they did around the same time as NERD did.

I actually went to a Central florida Herp meeting that Graziani was speaking at (Nate and Alice where there too :D). Greg said that he had a friend who was an importer and he would help his friend unpack the shipments. Greg found his origonal pastel in one of those shipments.

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Originally Posted by kellysballs

I actually went to a Central florida Herp meeting that Graziani was speaking at (Nate and Alice where there too :D). Greg said that he had a friend who was an importer and he would help his friend unpack the shipments. Greg found his origonal pastel in one of those shipments.

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Right...

I also heard, i forgot where, that if you breed a morph through like 3 generations you can call it your line.. I dont know if thats right, so dont hold me to it..

I think that if a person can trace their founding animal back directly to the breeder that the line is named for then they sould keep the line name..

But like me I got my Pastel Jungles from EbN who got theirs from who knows who. I can't call them Graziani Line pastels because in my mind they aren't.. My Bee however is a direct from NERD so the Pastels it produces are NERD Line pastels.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/.../9/8/ghost.jpg
http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...7/5/9/8/yb.jpg


Above are pics of new lines of known morphs from africa.

When a lot of the morphs first came in they were given different "brand names" to give credit to the breeder that first proved them out.
After a endless number of ghost, pastels, yellow bellies, cinnamon's, etc kept being imported they stopped having the "Brand names" put on them as there too many lines and they were all proven compatible.

Above are a few pics of some new line animals that we got from Africa this year, we got 5 yellow bellies,2 ghost, a shatter pattern along with a calico all hatched in Africa this year. A lot of new lines are imported every year, some are really common such as yb, and ghost, and some are only a few a year like albino's, lavenders, cinnamon's, etc.

As far as f3 being a new line, they are still the same line, if you do not know the line then they are considered a generic line or a combination of different lines.

Hope this sheds some light on the subject.

I always thought that to get your own line of animal you had to import an animal that was either new or not compatible with any other animal. Like with bob clarks line of retics and the amel retics. Both produce albino retics but neither are compatible with each other. Thus giving them there own line of retics.

I have heard people claiming there snake is something more to get a sale. Or giving there morph a new name to try to spark peoples interest

If that was true there would not be Bell line/butterscotch ghost, or Nerd line ghost, etc

Pastels would not have : Nerd, Graziani, Ian G, Bell or any of the other lines as they were all imported and are all compatiable. Same as yellow bellies, blk pastels, cinnamons, het reds, all are compatiable animals that have different lines that have been imported.

oh ok. IM still figuring out all the ball python morphs. Is there a difference in a nerd pastel versus a graziani or bell or ian?

I dont know if its true or not but I read once I believe on this site that in order to have your own line it has to be somewhat different? Like in the lines of pastel, one has more blushing normally, one has more yellow color normally? I could be wrong but thats what I heard.

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Originally Posted by Nagini88

I dont know if its true or not but I read once I believe on this site that in order to have your own line it has to be somewhat different? Like in the lines of pastel, one has more blushing normally, one has more yellow color normally? I could be wrong but thats what I heard.

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Nope...

Just needs to be an animal that you have proven.

Be it an established morph or not.

They are all just different lines/examples of the same morph. A Graziani pastel is a more orange color, a NERD line is a bright yellow, and a Bell line is a more basic yellow color.

All the lines have slight differences, and that is what is nice about them is when you use them in combo's they can make combo's with different expressions of the same combo. That is why some morphs like ghost mojave's look like night and day difference between them, they are the same morph/combo, but can have different ghost lines in them.
I know of 1 collection that is working with over 15 different lines of orange ghost, and all are compatible, and make some xtreme babies.
We have had/sold at least 40 new lines/c.h or w/c yellow bellies over the last 3-4 years, and they will all make combos that will look slightly different depending on the line.

There are lots of things still to be done with the basic morphs when you bring new lines of the gene into the mix.

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Originally Posted by Denial

oh ok. IM still figuring out all the ball python morphs. Is there a difference in a nerd pastel versus a graziani or bell or ian?

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Its hard to say the differences since it varies from animal to animal. Alot of it has to do with the non pastel or normal used in the breeding that produced the certain animal.

The main differences between different lines is their lineage comes from different wild caught pastels specimens.

Many people feel butters and lessers are the same morph but all lessers are decendants of Ralphs original Platty and butters are not. So actually they are different lines of what seems to be the same morph.

If you were to import a pastel directly from Africa you could name it your own line.

I myself dont prefer a specific line but rather choose the specific animal since all lines will have their beauties and their dogs.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

I myself dont prefer a specific line but rather choose the specific animal since all lines will have their beauties and their dogs.

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LOL!!

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Woof