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  • 06-22-2009, 01:52 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Questions?
    So this was my first year at breeding ball pythons!

    I had cooled my male pastel & female banded for the season, put them together, never viewed any copulations or anything so after a while of putting them together, we took them apart.

    Now after a month or so, she has 200grams unaccounted for?

    She is super Pissy and is laying Inverted, More then once.

    Any ideas whats going on ? I never seen any signs of lumping or the glow.

    So i'm stumped! lol Any help would be awesome!

    Thanks
  • 06-22-2009, 02:00 PM
    LGL
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    I had cooled my male pastel & female banded for the season, put them together, never viewed any copulations or anything so after a while of putting them together, we took them apart.

    How many times did you put them together and for how long? It almost sounds like you only put them together once. Also, how often did you check on them? They may have been copulating while you weren't watching.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    Now after a month or so, she has 200grams unaccounted for?

    What exactly do you mean by that? She gained 200g? Is she still eating for you?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    .... and is laying Inverted, More then once.

    To me it sounds like she is still developing follicles.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    Any ideas whats going on ? I never seen any signs of lumping or the glow.

    Not all females will show all of the signs. Some seem to not follow the system. Also, she may not be that far into the developing stage yet.
  • 06-22-2009, 02:10 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    [QUOTE=LGL;1083445]How many times did you put them together and for how long? It almost sounds like you only put them together once. Also, how often did you check on them? They may have been copulating while you weren't watching.

    I introduced him into the female's cage once a week for two days, then gave him rest. i did this for four months.

    i checked on them every day, sometimes even twice.



    What exactly do you mean by that? She gained 200g? Is she still eating for you?

    She was off food for the time, then just three weeks ago went back onto food.

    She was around the 1200 gram mark a month ago, now i just did a weight check not even two weeks ago and she's around 1800 grams

    It just seems odd to me on how quick she packed on the weight. I let her slide over my fingers, but couldn't feel any eggs at all...

    But yes she is now eating for me.



    To me it sounds like she is still developing follicles.

    That's what i had thought too. i just wanted to make sure.


    Not all females will show all of the signs. Some seem to not follow the system. Also, she may not be that far into the developing stage yet.

    Very true, i've been checking on her just about every day and out of one of those days she wasen't laying inverted.

    Thanks
  • 06-22-2009, 02:24 PM
    LGL
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    I introduced him into the female's cage once a week for two days, then gave him rest. i did this for four months.

    Ok. That's good.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    i checked on them every day, sometimes even twice.

    Are you sure your male is indeed a male? How old is he and how much does he weigh? Is this the first time either of them have been bred? I'm surprised that you didn't witness a single lock.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    She was off food for the time, then just three weeks ago went back onto food.

    She was around the 1200 gram mark a month ago, now i just did a weight check not even two weeks ago and she's around 1800 grams

    It just seems odd to me on how quick she packed on the weight. I let her slide over my fingers, but couldn't feel any eggs at all...

    But yes she is now eating for me.

    Are you sure both of the measurements were accurate? How many prey items did she eat between the two measurments? What type and what size?

    Also, Ball Pythons that have been large and just lost weight tend to gain the weight back rather quickly. That's still a lot of weight to gain in just two weeks...
  • 06-22-2009, 02:33 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LGL View Post
    Ok. That's good.



    Are you sure your male is indeed a male? How old is he and how much does he weigh? Is this the first time either of them have been bred? I'm surprised that you didn't witness a single lock.


    He is a proven Male whom we got from a very good breeder, N.E.R.D Line pastel, Said he should be good to go, he locked with one female but that female never ever did give us eggs and that was nearly two years ago.

    He lost alot of weight as well, but was around the 1500 gram mark when we were breeding him.

    First time for her, but not for him. There were a few times they were all wraped in one another, but i didn't see any lock tails. So that's why i'm here wondering, and asking questions! lol



    Are you sure both of the measurements were accurate? How many prey items did she eat between the two measurments? What type and what size?

    Measurements were right, i used my digital scale.
    Well i had measured her when she was off food, then two weeks ago when she did start eating.

    First food item was a small F/T Rat, She gets fed every 7 days, second item was a small F/T Rat and Now she just took a MED Sized F/T Rat lastnight.


    Also, Ball Pythons that have been large and just lost weight tend to gain the weight back rather quickly. That's still a lot of weight to gain in just two weeks...

    It is, which makes me wonder alot. When we got her, it took us a while to get her up to breeding size, she was rather tiny.
  • 06-22-2009, 02:50 PM
    kc261
    Re: Questions?
    I think the fact that she has started eating again is a bad sign.
  • 06-22-2009, 02:55 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kc261 View Post
    I think the fact that she has started eating again is a bad sign.

    a Bad Sign? How So ?
  • 06-22-2009, 02:56 PM
    LGL
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    He is a proven Male whom we got from a very good breeder, N.E.R.D Line pastel, Said he should be good to go, he locked with one female but that female never ever did give us eggs and that was nearly two years ago.

    He lost alot of weight as well, but was around the 1500 gram mark when we were breeding him.

    First time for her, but not for him. There were a few times they were all wraped in one another, but i didn't see any lock tails. So that's why i'm here wondering, and asking questions! Lol

    I have heard of males that lock fine and are great breeders with some females but seem uninterested in others.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BurmGirl23 View Post
    Measurements were right, i used my digital scale.
    Well i had measured her when she was off food, then two weeks ago when she did start eating.

    First food item was a small F/T Rat, She gets fed every 7 days, second item was a small F/T Rat and Now she just took a MED Sized F/T Rat lastnight.

    When was the first measurement taken? How long before the second? I have a female that gained about 50g in two to three weeks while she was off feed, probably due to water intake. Maybe at least some of the weight can be explained by that.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kc261 View Post
    I think the fact that she has started eating again is a bad sign.

    I have to agree. Maybe she ended up reabsorbing her follicles. If she's not locking and is eating again, I think she is done for the season. If she does end up laying a clutch somehow, great. I don't think there's much you can do at this point.
  • 06-22-2009, 03:11 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LGL View Post
    I have heard of males that lock fine and are great breeders with some females but seem uninterested in others.

    I've heard of that too, but he did seem interested but i just never seen them locked at all.


    When was the first measurement taken? How long before the second? I have a female that gained about 50g in two to three weeks while she was off feed, probably due to water intake. Maybe at least some of the weight can be explained by that.

    Month 1/2 ago it was taken. And then 2 weeks ago i did the second, so it was a good amount of time between the two.

    Maybe. So The whole laying inverted doesn't mean anything .


    I have to agree. Maybe she ended up reabsorbing her follicles. If she's not locking and is eating again, I think she is done for the season. If she does end up laying a clutch somehow, great. I don't think there's much you can do at this point.


    I was told by another breeder to throw a male back in with her because she could have Follicles... but i don't know if that's so safe.

    I'm just happy that she's eating again, that is all that really matters to me.

    If she throws me some eggs! cool! if not, there is always next year!

    Thanks guys
  • 06-22-2009, 04:54 PM
    LGL
    Re: Questions?
    You have to read your female. If you think she will go, keep pairing her. If not, I'd just wait until next season.
  • 07-16-2009, 06:25 PM
    BurmGirl23
    PICTURE UPDATE! She's at it again... ??????
    Ok, so this is what she has been doing for the last little while... she keeps doing... i just paired her up with another male.... and she's like this today

    any ideas ?



    http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...ballpython.jpg
  • 07-16-2009, 07:48 PM
    dr del
    Re: Questions?
    Hi,

    Is she still locking up with the males?


    dr del
  • 07-16-2009, 07:49 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    Hi,

    Is she still locking up with the males?


    dr del


    I haven't seen anything, but i've left the room everytime when males are put with her.

    When i put another male in... he was lined up tail to tail with her ... then i left the room... when i came down in the morning they were in different sides of the bin.

    So i have no idea
  • 07-16-2009, 08:08 PM
    dr del
    Re: Questions?
    Hi,

    What kind of substrate are you using?

    Just wondered if it would show any trails or smears or anything.


    dr del
  • 07-16-2009, 08:11 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    Hi,

    What kind of substrate are you using?

    Just wondered if it would show any trails or smears or anything.


    dr del


    its a dirt mix, with cypress mulch.... I put this in just in case she was gravid
  • 07-16-2009, 08:16 PM
    dr del
    Re: Questions?
    Hi,

    Hmm so that wouldn't show anything likely then. :(

    Have you tried palpating her?

    Is she sitting on one side of the tank more than the other?


    dr del
  • 07-16-2009, 08:18 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    Hi,

    Hmm so that wouldn't show anything likely then. :(

    Have you tried palpating her?

    Is she sitting on one side of the tank more than the other?


    dr del

    Palpating her ? What is that... haha stupid question i know.. but i've never ever heard of that.

    right now she is sitting beside the water dish... usually she'll move around.. but these last two days she's only been on the one side.
  • 07-16-2009, 08:25 PM
    dr del
    Re: Questions?
    Hi,

    It's just the name for trying to feel the developing follicles inside her. :)

    Ralph davis has a nice video showing him doing it;

    YouTube - Pet Project 08 - part 1 ( follicles )

    So would you say she is mainly staying on the cool side of the cage?


    dr del
  • 07-16-2009, 08:34 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    i just did a temp check on the side she's on and its around 88... Room * ambient * temps are sitting around 86, my reptile room stays warm.

    So i would say she's on the warm side...

    She is in a tub ontop of one of my racks that holds my tanks... So the other side is sitting around 86

    Thanks for the video, i'll check it out! :)
  • 07-16-2009, 11:03 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    Should i keep putting a male with her or should i stop it all together and prepair a lay box ? do you think she's gravid... i'll have to check to see if i feel anything in the morning, i don't want to bug her too much, just in case
  • 07-31-2009, 10:41 AM
    docturgonzo
    Re: Questions?
    Any news on her?
  • 07-31-2009, 09:43 PM
    BurmGirl23
    Re: Questions?
    She's still eating and still laying like that... but she doesn't look gravid to me.

    :( Better luck next year i guess

    Thanks for all the help guys!
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