blazing red belly???

I cherry picked a few 09's today for fun... a guy had 200 babies with him, I managed to get one with a brilliant orange red stomach and a few others with red stomachs (just not as red as that one) as well. I can't find anything about red stomached-babies, I just googled and searched my butt off. and this is not the the pinkness/redness that they get before shedding, it's blazing orange/red pigment and comes up the sides of the snake a bit. Do some hatchling BP's come out with bright red stomachs? I also chose them for their patterns and what not but the orange stomach thing had me wowed. I am going to assume for now that it is something that some babies are born with, and then it fades in a shed or two? I have not heard of it before, and my main thing is semi-aquatic species! I have cherry picked through baby balls before and this is the first time I've come across it. Can someone fill me in? I will post a picture within the hour. Whether it's going to fade or not... it's still wicked cool!!!:cool:

I was not even aware that ball pythons had red pigmentation!!! You never see any red bp's!

I saw something elsewhere about this. I think it was surmised that it's either a shipping bag rub-off(think wet bag with some pigment), or a type of disinfect stuff they dip them in?

I've had a female go into shed that got a brilliant red belly, even took pics to show it off, I'd have to dig the pics out.
If it stays through a couple sheds, I'd get excited.

I have heard of "orange bellies" which are apparently a variation of YB. I can't remember if I've ever seen a pic of one, so I'm not sure how brightly colored the bellies are.

I also saw one classified this year for a CH that had a bright red/orange belly.

Another possibility other than the pre-shed color is some sort of burn or scale rot. I get the impression from your other posts that even though you aren't much of a BP person, you have enough experience with snakes in general to recognize something like that, so I'm mainly mentioning it for any one else that might read this thread trying to figure out what is wrong with their BP.

We want pics!

Some hatchlings tend to be orangy at first, which eventually turns to be brown or golden brown as they age. But Im not pretty sure about reddish babies. Pictures are really needed for this one. :) Anyway, there's nothing wrong dinking around w/ some normals, specially if they are females and have something odd about them.

you talking about ben siegels orangebellys? that produce the graphite?
those things are smoking bright orange/red colors for the bellies :gj:

i seen them for sale on kingsnake

The guy said that he got these 200 babies from ben seigel reptiles... so, maybe! IDK the orange bellies you are referring to but maybe this is what you saw a picture of the red stomach is on its way guys just give me some time to upload it!!! I could only take 6 pics without my memory card so I only have one picture for now. I swear, the snake looks like it has soaked in red koolaid for days on end (maybe it has?!?!?)

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Originally Posted by aSnakeLovinBabe

The guy said that he got these 200 babies from ben seigel reptiles... so, maybe! IDK the orange bellies you are referring to but maybe this is what you saw a picture of the red stomach is on its way guys just give me some time to upload it!!! I could only take 6 pics without my memory card so I only have one picture for now. I swear, the snake looks like it has soaked in red koolaid for days on end (maybe it has?!?!?)

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It wouldn't be the first time a snake came out of a bag exclaiming "OH YEAH!!"
There actually was a time when people did that! The old Kool Aid morph;)
We demand pics! :)

Ben's Orangebellys don't have bright red/orange bellies. They are a brighter more orangey yellowbelly, with actual white "bellies", with the color along the sides like a yellowbelly. I have one.

The bright red underneath usually disappears from every case I've heard about.

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Originally Posted by aSnakeLovinBabe

The guy said that he got these 200 babies from ben seigel reptiles... so, maybe! IDK the orange bellies you are referring to but maybe this is what you saw a picture of the red stomach is on its way guys just give me some time to upload it!!! I could only take 6 pics without my memory card so I only have one picture for now. I swear, the snake looks like it has soaked in red koolaid for days on end (maybe it has?!?!?)

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yea they look like they have been sipping kool-aid from the womb they're bellies are bright orange or red kinda like a red bellied snake (mud snake)

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Ben's Orangebellys don't have bright red/orange bellies. They are a brighter more orangey yellowbelly, with actual white "bellies", with the color along the sides like a yellowbelly. I have one.

The bright red underneath usually disappears from every case I've heard about.

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i seen it on kingsnake but idk i never purchased any form ben so i cant say just putting my .02 cents

If the animal has a bright red belly for longer than a few days until shed, I would be concerned it is a health issue...

this is not a health issue, this is pigment. Whether it's permanent pigment, or temporary, whether the snakes were born with it or got it elsewhere, I dont know. All of the others did not have this. I am very good at picking healthy bright eyed, bushy tailed snakes. All of the other hundreds had the same smooth, lustery velevet skin of baby BP's as these do. If you look closely at the individual scales, you can see that it's color and not blood vessels, infected tissue, etc. Its brilliant orange. From the tip of the chin to the tip of the tail. i have 4 of them that have this coloration some with more than others and 2 without.

Here's the pic... I hope it doesn't go away, but something tells me with a few sheds it will! Cause that's how BP's roll!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/P1080251.jpg

Here's the link to a thread from another forum with a similar subject.

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....ad.php?t=25145

just for fun I figured I'd share pics of two other little girls that came home today, couldn't resist these cute faces and pretty patterns! The second one also has orange on her belly, but not nearly as intense.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/P1080256.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...e/P1080257.jpg

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

Here's the link to a thread from another forum with a similar subject.

http://www.captivebredreptileforums....ad.php?t=25145

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thank you for that link, those are really neat!!! I bet it's going to fade :(

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Originally Posted by aSnakeLovinBabe

I am very good at picking healthy bright eyed, bushy tailed snakes.

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I want a bushy tailed snake!! :D

It looks similar to the one I saw advertised as a CH a month or 2 ago.

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Originally Posted by aSnakeLovinBabe

this is not a health issue, this is pigment. Whether it's permanent pigment, or temporary, whether the snakes were born with it or got it elsewhere, I dont know. All of the others did not have this. I am very good at picking healthy bright eyed, bushy tailed snakes. All of the other hundreds had the same smooth, lustery velevet skin of baby BP's as these do. If you look closely at the individual scales, you can see that it's color and not blood vessels, infected tissue, etc. Its brilliant orange. From the tip of the chin to the tip of the tail. i have 4 of them that have this coloration some with more than others and 2 without.

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While I understand that you are probably well versed in picking healthy animals, there is still a chance that it is a health issue. Never discount that as being a possibility.

OR, as other people have said, a substrate stain or so forth and so on.

I am personally aware of the Koo-laid balls, and yours looks like it to me.

Enjoy it while you can!

Like I said, I do not in any way believe it to be a health issue. If it were I would be highly, incredibly surprised. Until they show signs of illness or otherwise I will continue to label this pigmentation, although I can't say whether it's man made or naturally occuring! Maybe they got into the koolaid powder before coming to the show!!! :rolleyes:

aSnakeLovinBabe...... I see over at www.thamnophis.com and you have given me good words when it comes to my snakes....... I know that you have more snakes then quite a few people and you will know what is going on with you new baby... i hope that the baby stays red for you, but as you did say.... that is the way they roll...... keep us updated as to how long he stays red will... Oh and incase I did not say it before Beautiful snakes... congrats......

I've also heard someone mention soaking CH imports in Gatorade to re-hydrate them. Dunno how true it is though.

Have you tried to soak this animal in tepid water?

Looks like it could be from a STRAIGHT IODINE bath.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Have you tried to soak this animal in tepid water?

Looks like it could be from a STRAIGHT IODINE bath.

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That actually makes a lot of sense. :gj:

first off, why would people put baby bp's in iodine? has anyone ever done that? does it stain them red? its not like he had the red bellies separated out and was trying to sell them for more or something, or try to pull one over on me or anything like that. It was actually my boyfriend who noticed one of them with a red belly and said hey... you should get that. There were 200 baby BP's and we had to dig through them looking at bellies. They were all treated the same, and they all cost the same regardless of pattern... $25. I think the only thing that will tell us what's going on is time. If a shed makes it go away... then it does! Which, I am sure will happen, because that's how ball pythons roll :8:

Unfortunately, there is no limit as to what some people will do. Maybe the person you got them from was just flipping them and had not had them for more than a couple of days? People really have in the past done the whole Kool Aid dip to sell things as being something new and pricey. It would be great if it kept the coloring, but i'm glad to see that you are aware that it may shed away. Good luck!

I have soaked snakes in an iodine solution (that was about the color of weak iced tea) per the recommendation from a fellow herper to help when I had a mite outbreak on a couple of my snakes. Was told it helped to kill the mites on the snake, as well as helping to heal the bites. Perhaps he/she was put in iodine for the same reason - to remove parasites? The solution I used did not stain my snakes though, as one of them was my albino boa and he stayed the same pinkish/yellow color.

Yea, I know that some people will do anything for a buck, and I was well aware at the time of buying these snakes that they will probably lose this color, but I thought it was a really neat thing to see, and I would love to hold a pair back even if they turn white, and breed those and see that, if this coloration is not man made, if it's reproducible in any way. Even so, they have really great color's patterns. I have three with reddish bellies that fed this morning, and he gave me one for free that was a non feeder and he's a no-go so far. I also have two others that I selected for other traits that I loved.

Very interesting animal none the less.

I would love to hear how she develops and grows.

Hopefully its something new and not one of the Kool Aid type tricks.

Congrats on the new pick up:gj:

It looks like the belly is from being on newspaper that got wet.
If a ball gets out of its water bowl or spills its water and then sits on newspaper the soy in the paper terns the belly pink/red.
We see it happen when babies are first soaked and then put in a tub on paper while they are being sorted, you will always get a couple that get pink bellies. We have had about 6500 baby balls in the last 3-4 years and have had about 20 with the pink/red bellies and they always shed out.
It can also happen when a larger snake urinates in a bag with newspaper in the bag.

Its always a surprise to see, but will always shed out too.

On the non feeder we always have really good luck offering them smaller fuzzy mice in a dark shoe box. If that does not work try it in a shoe box inside a blanket box, as it will creat a environment with a high ambient temp without the same affect as heat tape. The difference in the types of heat really seem to kick them into gear, and usually turn most non feeders around.

Good luck.

I just want to post this pic Strawberries Ball By Crystal Palace
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...ERRY_cream.jpg

Who is Crystal Palace?

The non feeder ate quite readily today actually, just not totally on his own. He was very, very thin, to the point where I was not willing to allow him to go even another day without food. I offered it to him and he wanted nothing to do with it. I picked him up to assist feed a fuzzy. As soon as I got the tip of the nose in, he chomped down with all his might and tightly wrapped it. I set him down and he ate it! I was so releived that he did all that on his own! :D

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The non feeder ate quite readily today actually, just not totally on his own. He was very, very thin, to the point where I was not willing to allow him to go even another day without food. I offered it to him and he wanted nothing to do with it. I picked him up to assist feed a fuzzy. As soon as I got the tip of the nose in, he chomped down with all his might and tightly wrapped it. I set him down and he ate it! I was so releived that he did all that on his own! :D

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Nice, that is always a relief. I had a hatchling that I thought I was going to have to assist but she finally took a rat pink this weekend:) after weeks of declining live mouse hoppers and rat pinks.

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Originally Posted by gcanibe

I just want to post this pic Strawberries Ball By Crystal Palace
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...ERRY_cream.jpg

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WOW its a real or photoshop ???
If that snake is real I want one so bad

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

Who is Crystal Palace?

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They are a good reptile shop in London England.

I bought my male lesser from them last year. :gj:


dr del

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

Who is Crystal Palace?

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*coughs* NERD *coughs*

Unless I'm mistakes Crystal Palace is partners with NERD over sea's :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

*coughs* NERD *coughs*

Unless I'm mistakes Crystal Palace is partners with NERD over sea's :D

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I don't think this is the case, although it might have been a few years back. Darren Biggs owns CPR.

Hi,

He does indeed do a great deal of buisness with NERD from what I have read. :D

But also with Noah and others - either way he has some great animals. :bow:

I can't afford any of them mind you but I try not to hold that against him. :rofl:


dr del

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I don't think this is the case, although it might have been a few years back. Darren Biggs owns CPR.

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cool I just know that I see crystal palace on allot of NERD stuff..Maybe they are no longer working directly together.. Either way their good floks from what I've heard.

Darren's a great guy. If I lived in England, I would definitely be buying a lot of my animals from CPR.

heres my strawberries and cream ball python, thanks to my boyfriends fantastic photoshop skills

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

only time will tell if its man made, genetic, or just a freak of nature to these few beautys. I hope it stays and proves out. It wouldnt surprise me if it were genetic though. look at what baby bags have brought us in the last few years. what ever the case Please keep us posted. I know I would have pulled all of them out and taken them home too! they are awesome looking. good luck and happy herping!

This thread is 3 years old.

I noticed it was 3 yrs. old, too. But what was the conclusion? Anything come of it?

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Originally Posted by ClarkT

I noticed it was 3 yrs. old, too. But what was the conclusion? Anything come of it?

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My guess would be that it was gone after a shed or 2 because it was due to some kind of staining(kool-aid, betadine or something else). Since there was never any follow up from the OP.
If it had been something that was permanent you would think that there would of been follow up and it would be posted all over the place by now.