My First Hatchlings From Thailand

This is my first hatchling 2009

Sire = Bumblebee

Dame = Butter

I got 4 eggs.Hatchling date is 10 June 2009.

I got 2 Spider , 1 Pastel Butter and 1 Butter Bumblebee or Butter Spider ???

I'm not sure about the last morph.I've asked about it couple of days before it fully hatched.


http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/IMG_5087.jpg

If this morph is the Butter Bumblebee, what is its common name? Has this morph existed before, since I cannot find any photos or informations of this morph on the internet, only the Queen Bee.


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http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/IMG_4983.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...e/IMG_5076.jpg

And the last picture is Butter Pastel.Thank you everybody for visiting and commenting on this topic.


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You sure hit the odds. Sweet! Congrats.
Marty

Awesome babies! Congrats!

Gorgeous babies; Congrats!:gj:

Very nice snakes and photos! I think it has been produced before, but I don't know the name.

butter bee is the name for it being a butter and a spider, heres the nerd page on it:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

and heres the nerd page for the queen bee. It has a lesser making it, but i assume butter will do the same thing, there may be a different name for it but i'm not sure. Brock would be the person to ask, i'm sure he'll be there soon though :)

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html

Great looking babies and photos, you have some amazing animals in that clutch.

Congratulations on a great looking clutch!

looks like a queen bee to me

Wow! nice clutch.... You can send that little Bee my way it is gorgeous!

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Originally Posted by FIREball

looks like a queen bee to me

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First of all, congrats on the beautiful cluth. I would have to agree with Jeremy on this. The reduction in head patterning would lead me to believe that there is Pastel influence in the animal, and the overall lite appearance of the colors are also suspect. I would bet that it is indeed a Pastel/Butter/Spider.

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First of all, congrats on the beautiful cluth. I would have to agree with Jeremy on this. The reduction in head patterning would lead me to believe that there is Pastel influence in the animal, and the overall lite appearance of the colors are also suspect. I would bet that it is indeed a Pastel/Butter/Spider.

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I concur, you've got yourself a queen bee :banana:

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Originally Posted by neilgolli

I concur, you've got yourself a queen bee :banana:

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So the common name for a butter pastel spider is a queen bee? I though it would be named something different because the lesser pastel spider is named the queen bee.

whoa!!!! i'am buttered up in envy

Sweet snake man. Thanks for sharing.

Wow talk about a beautiful snake, that is simply gorgeous. I sure would like some Hot Buttered Queen Bees in my rack. http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...ile_tongue.gif

Gorgeous Babies! I love the butterbee and the butter pastel!

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

So the common name for a butter pastel spider is a queen bee? I though it would be named something different because the lesser pastel spider is named the queen bee.

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iam pretty sure that the lesser can be subbed for a butter and produce a queenbee as well.

correct me if iam wrong.

lesser,butter,mojo = all same het. so would have the same affect in designer morphs when combining any of the 3? with pastel and spider.

just wondering. felipe

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Originally Posted by LCB

iam pretty sure that the lesser can be subbed for a butter and produce a queenbee as well.

correct me if iam wrong.

lesser,butter,mojo = all same het. so would have the same affect in designer morphs when combining any of the 3? with pastel and spider.

just wondering. felipe

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Well some will argue that the Butter and Lesser are the same mutation so I can see how the Pastel/Butter/Spider could be considered a Queen Bee but the Mojo even though the same complex of Butters and lessers is definately a different morph so I would not personally call a Pastel/Mojo/Spider a Queen Bee.

I also personally like to think of Butter and Lesser as different so it would be nice if there was a different name for this combo instead of just calling it a Queen Bee also.

Just my opinion.

Wow that is an amazing clutch. One day...one day... =]

Nice clutch, congrats on the queenbee.:gj:

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Awesome snake. So clean

Awesome clutch!...

Sweet clutch queenbee or butterqueenbee it's a great looking animal.

I would think it would be named different than the queenbee. If a butter was a lesser than it would be sold as a lesser. There are butterbees and there are lesserbees. Maybe contact Ralph Davis and ask him if he has produced one, and if so what did he call it?

On Kigsnake in the classifieds there is a butterblast (Butter x Pinstripe). If you call this pastel buttebee" a queenbee", then this butterblast should be called a kingpin. I think this snake deserves a different name then Queenbee. Maybe i am just showing favortism because i like butters more then lessers.

I think its name should be "amazingly awesome":D

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Originally Posted by MKHerps

I would think it would be named different than the queenbee. If a butter was a lesser than it would be sold as a lesser. There are butterbees and there are lesserbees. Maybe contact Ralph Davis and ask him if he has produced one, and if so what did he call it?

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I agree. Ralph told me a few months ago that lessers and butters, although they are genetically very similar (if not the same) came from two different lines of his. The lesser platinum is from his Platty Daddy, and is more creamy while the butter is from his Butter Daddy line and is definitely more yellow. If that's the case, then in order to keep both lines separate, the butter bumblebee has to be called something other than a queen bee. --Or else the follow up question to every purchase will be "Is this queen bee from a butter lineage or a lesser?" And, I could see where the line of demarkation between butter and lesser will get very smudged, if it isn't already.

i agree it should be name differently. as queenbee are from lesser. just like the confusion on black pastel & cinnamon.. silver streak & sterling..

spider x pastel = spider, pastel & BumbleeBee.
Spider x butter = Spider, Butter & Sputter

BumbleeBee X butter = Spider, pastel, butter, Sputter & "SputterBee"

im guessing its a SputterBall.. or a SputterBee.

that clutch is awesome, very very nice!

Great clutch.....WOW! :)

Speechless. That is the best looking ball I have seen hatched this year.

I agree with the SputterBee.

Beautiful clutch and a big congratulations! :banana:

It is, I believe, is a Butter Bee Ball Python.
Congratulations! They are all very beautiful! :)