Eggs dont look so good

Well I never saw her ovulate, I've been checking her daily, but I guess it happened while I was away. I found these this morning, she must had laid them durring the night. THey dont look so good but they all have veins. Think there's any way to save them?
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They're like that because they're, almost 100% sure, not fertile. It has nothing to do with being in the box overnight. Even a couple of days won't do that to them.

The nipples on the end, the malformation, not egg shaped, all indicate lack of viability.

I COULD be wrong, but when was the last time THAT happened.

The one on the far left and the third one over might make it, the others don't look so good.

thats what i'm figuring, but I did put them in just to be sure. They're being incubated at 89* and 100% humidity

Edit: its also her first clutch so I figured there'd be some duds

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Those'll be your miracle babies if they hatch. And then it's fun and festive time. Good luck.

Just an observation... no offense intended.

That tub looks like it is in aweful condition. It looks very dirty, and the water bowl looks near empty with feces in it. If that snake just laid eggs, then it has probably been at least a month or two since it last pooped. So is it safe to assume then that it has not had fresh water in a long time?

I have read before that a BP will not lay the eggs until the conditions are right, and they feel secure... with proper temps and humidity. This is a reach I know... but maybe it was so disatisfied with its living conditions that it tried to hold on to the eggs so long that it ended up messing them up.

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Originally Posted by Nagini88

Edit: its also her first clutch so I figured there'd be some duds

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Why do you expect duds from a first clutch?

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LOL, did you just update that picture to cut out the water bowl?!

I did that to make it smaller after I posted it, yes the water bowl needed clean, I actually had the male in her since she was still eatting and I never saw an ovulation, he's the one that dirtied the water the day before. It has since been cleaned and the mom as well.

I expected duds b/c thats what I've read, that there is a higher potential for duds in the first clutch since it is, they're first clutch

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LOL, did you just update that picture to cut out the water bowl?!

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I was wondering how the hell you saw a waterbowl...

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

Just an observation... no offense intended.

That tub looks like it is in aweful condition. It looks very dirty, and the water bowl looks near empty with feces in it. If that snake just laid eggs, then it has probably been at least a month or two since it last pooped. So is it safe to assume then that it has not had fresh water in a long time?

I have read before that a BP will not lay the eggs until the conditions are right, and they feel secure... with proper temps and humidity. This is a reach I know... but maybe it was so disatisfied with its living conditions that it tried to hold on to the eggs so long that it ended up messing them up.

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:angered:I second that remark BUT unlike Mike I could care less about offending you. He makes a good point about a mother not pooping in a long while and I find the state of your female's living conditions unsuitable, disturbing, and cruel. When was the last time you scrubbed her dish? To me that looks like MONTHS of grime:disbelief. I scrub dishes every week with hot soapy water and a scrubber. If you had been caring for your ball python properly I wouldn't be harping at you. I will honestly say that this disgusts me to a point that I haven't been in a long while (since a chick asked me why her snake wouldn't take its prey, turned out she had been boiling the prey to thaw it :tricho:) Please start taking better care of your snakes. Your neglect is evident. :irkd:

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Originally Posted by Nagini88

I did that to make it smaller after I posted it, yes the water bowl needed clean, I actually had the male in her since she was still eatting and I never saw an ovulation, he's the one that dirtied the water the day before. It has since been cleaned and the mom as well.

I expected duds b/c thats what I've read, that there is a higher potential for duds in the first clutch since it is, they're first clutch

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Don't believe every thing you hear I've gotten 3 great clutches this year from first time moms and last year my smallest clutch was 8 eggs and that was a first time mom..so was the 11 egger..

Dud's are due to temp problems (to hot or to cold), health problems with the females, or the male didn't get things done. :D

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Don't believe every thing you hear I've gotten 3 great clutches this year from first time moms and last year my smallest clutch was 8 eggs and that was a first time mom..so was the 11 egger..

Dud's are due to temp problems (to hot or to cold), health problems with the females, or the male didn't get things done. :D

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ah, ok well thats good to know. It could have been the male, he's about 700g and this was his first time breeding.

I know I go against the grain sometimes, but if I had to make a wager, I would bet that all of those eggs will be fine if they are incubated correctly. It appears to me that they were laid about 16 to 24 hours prior to you finding them. They look a little dehydrated, and like there are numerous boob parts of the eggs. If they all have good veins, and your incubator is set as you have stated, I would guess that they will fill out in the next 3 to 5 days, and will hatch just fine. However, I would expect some smaller hatchlings (in the 40 - 55 gram range).

Just my .02,

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I know I go against the grain sometimes, but if I had to make a wager, I would bet that all of those eggs will be fine if they are incubated correctly. It appears to me that they were laid about 16 to 24 hours prior to you finding them. They look a little dehydrated, and like there are numerous boob parts of the eggs. If they all have good veins, and your incubator is set as you have stated, I would guess that they will fill out in the next 3 to 5 days, and will hatch just fine. However, I would expect some smaller hatchlings (in the 40 - 55 gram range).

Just my .02,

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And this, right here, is why you should put them all in the incubator and see what happens.

It couldn't hurt to give it a go.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

And this, right here, is why you should put them all in the incubator and see what happens.

It couldn't hurt to give it a go.

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Don't do it on my accord. I am just looking at a pic, but think from what I see, that they could be fine. After taking a second look though, I would pay attention to the 2 eggs that are one from the right, kind of stuck together. They look a bit waxy, and may need extra attention in the next couple weeks (i.e. they may start to sweat).

thanks for the advice, I'll keep an eye on them. Any advice for if they start to sweat? Should I put a damp towel or would that be to much?

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Don't believe every thing you hear I've gotten 3 great clutches this year from first time moms and last year my smallest clutch was 8 eggs and that was a first time mom..so was the 11 egger..

Dud's are due to temp problems (to hot or to cold), health problems with the females, or the male didn't get things done. :D

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or sometimes it just happens

Ralph had one of his pet project snakes this year slug out except one or 2

my 11 egg this year was a first time mom as well,she had a couple weak eggs,one went a week then went bad,but thie other 10 now have dark halos and are getting strong,so tis defintely not always a first time breeding thing

and i my male is also around 700 grams his first season,and hes been breeding everything in sight,and so far not one slug(didnt think to quote his part about his male as well)

well got an update, its day 48. one molded 2 weeks ago. I went in to check the humidity and there was a baby in the tub. looked healthy. I cut the other eggs, one didnt look good at all, there was a slit in the egg, but when I looked further, it drowned in the egg. Same with another one of the babies, but the last egg I had a head poking out later tonight when I got home. so atleast 2 survived. the drowned babies were fully formed, no deformities even though the eggs looked bad.
I'll get pics up as soon as the last one comes out and I find my missing camera