does this sound right to any of you??

OK, I wont name any names here, but here is a situation I am in.

A guy I agreed to do a trade with said he had a 1500 gram female lesser that he was willing to trade me after she laid her eggs. The snake came in tuesday and looked fine, didnt look skinny like she had dropped eggs the previous week, but wasnt fat either. The guy claimed that this 1500 gram female dropped 9 eggs. yes, 9 eggs. I weighed her, and she was 859 grams. Not an unhealthy 859, but thats a far cry from the 1500 gram female I was expecting. My 1500 gram females lost about 1/3 of their weight when they dropped their clutches, and they were much bigger than the female in question. I guess my question is...is it possible that this female could have possibly dropped 9 eggs...if she did wouldnt she be much skinnier? I did not get a pic of her on 9 eggs, or any for that matter. I just want to know if I am getting hosed again. I put this in the breeding section because of the weight issue, not sure where else to put it.
here she is just hanging out
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...h/DSC04455.jpg

on the scale
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...h/DSC04449.jpg

9 eggs is a lot. sounds fishy to say the least. how old is she supposed to be?

Are you sure she is actually a she? She doesn't even look large enough to have been 1500 grams? IMO>

I dont know but she is Gorgeousssssss.

She is super hot. She is a she, but SHE aint no 1500 gram breeder IMO either! I just wanted to get some other opinions. my 1500 gram females seemed much larger than her when they started eating again, Its a shame, but I think she is going back :tears:

she doesn't even have the length to be a breeder let alone the girth pretty Lesser though

You might want to think a bit on whether or not you are sending her back. She is big enough she is likely to breed next season, and you certainly weren't expecting her to breed again this season.

I know there is still a difference between a proven breeder and a young virgin who will just be up to size next year. For sure I'd make a note of the seller and not do business with him/her again.

But you have said she is super hot. How likely are you to find another lesser female that is as nice that will be ready to breed next year?

Not trying to say what you should do... just giving you another angle to think about.

this may sound dumb,but if you TRULY like her looks,you can easily have her breedable by this coming season,as even if she did "lay eggs"this season she couldnt be bred again yet anyway,maybe contact the other party with your concerns,and explain the question,and maybe see if they will put a little something in to go with her,if your truly happy with her looks that is.....

She should definitely go next season, without a doubt. But I traded my killer bee female for what I thought was going to be an 1800 gram lesser next season for a sub adult and a pewter male. I think I am way down on the bad end of this trade. I surely wont be dealing with this person again, this is the second of 3 deals that have been misrepresented on his part. I do not like being lied to. if you say she dropped a few eggs, fine, but 9?? Really?? I am by no means an expert..but I have had a good first year, and I honestly do not believe this female is what I was told she was. Guess I will just sleep on it and figure it out in the morning

she is OBVIOUSLY not what was promised,and i am in no way saying she is,,,just kind of food for thought...i wouldnt keep it as the trade stands,,but ask him if hed be willing to toss in something to go along with it,or a bit of cash to make it right

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she is OBVIOUSLY not what was promised,and i am in no way saying she is,,,just kind of food for thought...i wouldnt keep it as the trade stands,,but ask him if hed be willing to toss in something to go along with it,or a bit of cash to make it right

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I agree.


But man that is one HOT lesser!

I'm sorry she was smaller than imagined, but wow she is stunning.

I think it is quite possible that she dropped 9 eggs. I know that Genetic Stripe female stock typically have large clutch sizes, as do most of my Het Axanthic and Axanthic stock. With that said, if she did indeed drop 9 eggs, I would expect them to be on the smaller side (maybe 80 grams apiece average). If my guestimates are correct, 9 80 gram eggs would weigh 720 grams. 1500 grams(starting weight of snake), minus 720 grams worth of eggs equals 780 grams worth of left over snake. That number is relatively close to her actual weight now.

All in all, what I am trying to say, is that I think it is possible that you were told the whole truth. The decision on what to do from here is your own.

This same person also sent me 8 normal female breeders out of "his collection" 2 weeks ago. They were all shipped from a reptile dealer in FL(not him) to my house, 3 of them came in with RI and one was a male :irkd:

I felt uncomfortable the whole time, thats why I had him ship first. I hate to go back on a deal, but I think I might have to. Almost every animal this guy has sent me has been misrepresented.

Its time to ship everything back to him and find a new person to deal with!

Hi,

It's also worth considering the BOI if he is either unwilling or unable to reach a satisfactory agreement with you.


dr del

well, we spoke on the phone today, I think they are gonna go back. The proverbial "straw" was when he backed out on the payment plan we agreed on for his bumblebee male. He wanted full payment up front, not in 2 weeks like we agreed. Its a shame, she is a hot lesser, but my killerbee smokes her!

I can grab another lesser female later at some point. I may try to hunt down a pastel lesser male for now.....

Tim, In your post asking if you should trade---I said no. Hate to hear that you got shafted. I wouldn't do business with that guy again.

Do everything in your power to not let the RI spread in your collection. Quarantine the sick girls in room away from the others!!!

I think you should keep the killer bee girl if you can get her back. Best of luck!!!

The killerbee never left the house, so no worries there!

The females are not even at my house, all snakes get sent to the quarantine room at my buddies, I have WAY to much to lose because of some junk snakes.

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The killerbee never left the house, so no worries there!

The females are not even at my house, all snakes get sent to the quarantine room at my buddies, I have WAY to much to lose because of some junk snakes.

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Dude you knew I was gonna have to beat you if you had sent out that Killer first lol I'm so glad that it stayed with you now its just that much easier to send back his animals and be done with it. I expect a write up on this seller so we can all avoid him

I really dont want to out him. The deal felt funny, so I had him ship first. I didnt get what I was expecting, after a ton of text messages and phone calls we just agreed to call the deal off. No harm done. The sick snakes on the other hand, I really dont think 3 of them caught RI overnight in a shipping box.....

Oddly enough, our first deal went great. My 2 animals that he shipped were top notch, then came the ill females, then the smaller than expected snakes. I wont go for strike 3. The animals he sent were VERY nice, but they were not what I was told I was getting. I thought I was going to have a lesser female that would pump out 6-8 eggs this coming season, not one that I would have to powerfeed to get back to 1500.

On the other hand, if anyone has a LEGIT trade, I still have my bee :banana:

Just saw this and thought it seemed similar and the seller posted a picture of a lesser on her eggs( looks to be duds)
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=135684

Thats the same lesser.

I have to say again that Josh and I agreed to kill the deal, no harm done, we even split the shipping costs to return everything. Did the snake lay 9 eggs? I cannot say that it did or did not, from what I am told he posted a pic, so draw your own conclusions from that. This lesser is absolutely gorgeous though, thats been agreed upon, it was just not as big as I thought it was going to be, so we killed the deal. I talked with Josh a few times since this ordeal and we are good. I do not want people to hate the guy, i mean stuff happens, and we set it straight. To me thats much better than someone who wont even return your calls.

Hi,

So is the seller in this thread the same person (who I believe is 16 ) who started this thread on nick nistico?

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If both of you have come to an amicable solution then that is probably the best possible outcome.

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dr del

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Thats the same lesser.

I have to say again that Josh and I agreed to kill the deal, no harm done, we even split the shipping costs to return everything. Did the snake lay 9 eggs? I cannot say that it did or did not, from what I am told he posted a pic, so draw your own conclusions from that. This lesser is absolutely gorgeous though, thats been agreed upon, it was just not as big as I thought it was going to be, so we killed the deal. I talked with Josh a few times since this ordeal and we are good. I do not want people to hate the guy, i mean stuff happens, and we set it straight. To me thats much better than someone who wont even return your calls.

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I don't know man... sounds to me like you are being a little easy on him... but I guess that is your right. If someone misrepresented animals like that with me, I am afraid I would be a little less understanding.

The way I see it, he did take them back, he did split the cost with me, and we are both squared now. He is obviuosly young, I thought 19, but he is just trying to get into business I guess, and he did right by taking the stuff back that I was unhappy with. I know that I have bought from other people and gotten DOAs and never even a response, much less a half paid return.

I cant sway anyones vote to believe him, or buy from him, or whatever, but he and I are square if that makes a differance.

at the end of the day I am out of about 25 bucks. He let me keep the 8 other snakes also. The ill ones will be checked out, hopefully healed, the rest will be quarantined till further notice... and life goes on.

Also the ad is now removed off Fauna.

Always good to see a "happy ending"