spider pastel butter lesser

So if you pair a butter and a pastel or spider what are your chances of what?

And I was told if you pair a lesser and a pastel or spider you have a chance of

bees spiders pastels lesser and norms. If that is true, wouldn't it mean you

would come out with same results for the butter X pastel or spider pair because

a lesser and butter is pretty much the same gene, correct?

lesser and butter are basicly the same to me

i think with lesser x spider you get lesserbee
and then a bumble bee x lesser you get honey bee... i think... lol

i would assume that it would be pretty close to being the same if you swap a butter for the lesser.... not sure though

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Originally Posted by matt71915

lesser and butter are basicly the same to me

i think with lesser x spider you get lesserbee
and then a bumble bee x lesser you get honey bee... i think... lol

i would assume that it would be pretty close to being the same if you swap a butter for the lesser.... not sure though

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ISnt a honeybee a hypo(ghost) X Spider?

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and then a bumble bee x lesser you get honey bee... i think... lol

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Queenbee not Honeybee ;)

lol it was close:P there both at least awesome looking snakes
all the bee stuff gets a little mixed up sometimes :rolleye2:

Hi,

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Originally Posted by rocky88

So if you pair a butter and a pastel or spider what are your chances of what?

And I was told if you pair a lesser and a pastel or spider you have a chance of

bees spiders pastels lesser and norms. If that is true, wouldn't it mean you

would come out with same results for the butter X pastel or spider pair because

a lesser and butter is pretty much the same gene, correct?

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Just to clarify something I'm not sure I am reading correctly;

If your pairing is a lesser being bred to pastel and also to a spider the you would not be able to get any bumblebees as each egg can only have two parents and if lesser (or butter ) is definately one of them then it would be impossible for both the necessary pastel and spider genes to be inherited from the only remaining "parent" slot.

Lesser x pastel - lessers, pastels, pastel lessers and normals.
Lesser x spider - lesserbees, lessers, spiders, normals.

So anything "bee" aside from the lesserbee would be a multi-generation project using only those morphs.

Now that should have confused everyone else. :rofl:


dr del

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Hi,



Just to clarify something I'm not sure I am reading correctly;

If your pairing is a lesser being bred to pastel and also to a spider the you would not be able to get any bumblebees as each egg can only have two parents and if lesser (or butter ) is definately one of them then it would be impossible for both the necessary pastel and spider genes to be inherited from the only remaining "parent" slot.

Lesser x pastel - lessers, pastels, pastel lessers and normals.
Lesser x spider - lesserbees, lessers, spiders, normals.

So anything "bee" aside from the lesserbee would be a multi-generation project using only those morphs.

Now that should have confused everyone else. :rofl:


dr del

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and i thought it was just me......

Thank you very much for the help but what I was trying to say was. What would be the chances of getting what if I bred a lesser to a pastel OR spider. And a butter to a pastel OR spider.

correct if wrong:
lesser X pastel = lesser, pastel, pastel lesser, norm.
lesser X spider= lesser, spider, lesserbee, norm
butter X spider= butter bee, spider, butter, norm.
butter X pastel= ????the same as less.Xpast.

I heard that a butter X alot of things makes a BEL, true???? If so what??

And since the butter and pastel are pretty much the same thing, wouldn't that make the lesserbee, and butterbee the same thing?

I'm just confused because I have a butter OR lesser arriving in a month and I'm trying to figure out the options I will have with the current bp's I currently have

Sorry, I know that was alot of questions. But, it would be much appreciated for any help. THANK YOU!!!!!

Hi,

Can't work the percentages sorry. :oops:

It's 6am for me and I'm about to pass out - if I attempt math at this point I may never know how many fingers I have for sure in the future. :rolleye2:

Butter x anything else in the "blue eyed white snake complex" will make a BEL I think. The thread on BEL's would be your best guide there.

I personally cannot tell the difference between butters and lessers with anything resembling accuracy either. :(

The examples on the NERD collection page look different - but I have no idea if all examples conform to that or if there is a "blurring of the lines" in the middle.

Butterbee page.

Lesserbee page.


dr del

i dont know where the bumble bee thing came in i could swore you had that in it lol my bad :P

those percentages look right and like Dr. Del said a butter x another BEL producer would make a BEL

google both
the lesser bee appears to be more faded like a hypo
the butter bee has more pronounced lines between the colors... if that makes sense

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Originally Posted by rocky88

Thank you very much for the help but what I was trying to say was. What would be the chances of getting what if I bred a lesser to a pastel OR spider. And a butter to a pastel OR spider.

correct if wrong:
lesser X pastel = lesser, pastel, pastel lesser, norm.
lesser X spider= lesser, spider, lesserbee, norm
butter X spider= butter bee, spider, butter, norm.
butter X pastel= ????the same as less.Xpast.

I heard that a butter X alot of things makes a BEL, true???? If so what??

And since the butter and pastel are pretty much the same thing, wouldn't that make the lesserbee, and butterbee the same thing?

I'm just confused because I have a butter OR lesser arriving in a month and I'm trying to figure out the options I will have with the current bp's I currently have

Sorry, I know that was alot of questions. But, it would be much appreciated for any help. THANK YOU!!!!!

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ok,,i dont do p sqaures,,as i dont understand them,,but i do simple percantages!

lesser x pastel=25% lesser,25%lesser pastel,25%pastel,25% normal
same goes witht he rest,when running a dom/codom x codom/dom such as these

butter X lesser or mojo or Russos would yeild BEL's (blue eyed)

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I heard that a butter X alot of things makes a BEL, true???? If so what??

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Butter x Butter or Mojave or Lesser or Het Russo will all produce BEL, in this case your odds would be 25% BEL + 25% Butter + 25% Normal + 25% of which ever other morph you chose to breed to your butter.

So do

Lesser x Butter or Mojave or Lesser or Het Russo

or

Mojave x Butter or Mojave or Lesser or Het Russo

or

Het Russo x Butter or Mojave or Lesser or Het Russo

thats the fun of ball pythons,,thier plug and hope they play:)

i love the butterbee's...

We need to get the Genetic Wizard on this site........