How much would a GTP cost a reptile show? average price.

How much would they cost this breeding season as neonates.

don't buy one from a show. buy one from a breeder! this way you get an established feeder that isn't fresh off the farm.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

don't buy one from a show. buy one from a breeder! this way you get an established feeder that isn't fresh off the farm.

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Breeders sell at shows.... :confused:

Breeders sell at shows, what the hell are you talking about?

Pat,

Dial it back a notch please.


dr del

CoolGuy, I think its about time you're introduced to the "search" function of this forum.

coolguypat, i thought you had a biak??? I assume if you own one, you know how much you paid for it, 8 yrs ago??? Personally i dont think your ready to own a chondro. You need to go ahead and pick up a corn snake. Throttle back buddy.

the chondro i had was a gift from my dad when i was a child, he never told me the price and i wouldnt be able to ask him now because he has since passed. and also, back then the market was much more higher in terms of prices.

im really sorry, im in a bad mood today.

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Originally Posted by coolguypat27

the chondro i had was a gift from my dad when i was a child, he never told me the price and i wouldnt be able to ask him now because he has since passed. and also, back then the market was much more higher in terms of prices.

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Originally Posted by coolguypat27

I love tarantulas and I love scorpions even more, but I live with my mom, dad, grandparents, sister, and 2 brothers and they don't rally enjoy having 6 ball pythons in my room, they would kill my if i brought home a tarantula or scorpion.

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Originally Posted by coolguypat27

Breeders sell at shows, what the hell are you talking about?

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dial it back!!!!!

make sure they are actually a breeder!!!!!! sure anyone can say "yeah its CB" and they aren't.

step dad

BTW it seems as if you only have $300 to spend as per your other posts....you won't get a US captive bred anywhere for that price.

I got a Merauke GTP neonate at the long island reptile show Nov 1st last yr, at the beginning of the show they were asking 350$ but by the end of the show he gave em to me for 300$ and he's been doin great ever since :P you gotta be careful tho, they're so delecate when they're that small, idk how old mine was when i got him but damn was he small, he's grown up quite a bit....AND HE'S GOT THE CRAZIEST FEEDING RESPONSE 2!:rolleye2:
whatever you do dont put a neonate in a display cage ive seen it a lot at pet stores, they're too out in the open and with screen tops, humidity is always an issue. a small tub at first with an UTH works great, then once they're big enough a display cage is good. I think they're much better off in a tub at first, they're hidden, secure. another side note, i purchased my adult GTP for $380

Does your parents take care of the snakes, or parent. Or do you? Just curious

anytime you see adults, or neos for 350 or under at shows, they are FB and not USCB.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

BTW it seems as if you only have $300 to spend as per your other posts....you won't get a US captive bred anywhere for that price.

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That isn't true I would say $300 is the lowest you will find but there are some nice tree worms out there for $300.

i'd have to say that is true! but go for it! not my money!

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Originally Posted by coolguypat27

Lol. im 14 years old, i have 2 bloods, i have had one for 6 years and the other one i just got from a local breeder 4 months ago. i have 4 balls, 1 jungle carpet, and an 8 year old BIAK chondro. i think i can handle something other than a corn, don't ya think? ;)

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Originally Posted by coolguypat27

I love tarantulas and I love scorpions even more, but I live with my mom, dad, grandparents, sister, and 2 brothers and they don't rally enjoy having 6 ball pythons in my room, they would kill my if i brought home a tarantula or scorpion.

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Uh...... troll???:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BGdyl

I got a Merauke GTP neonate at the long island reptile show Nov 1st last yr, at the beginning of the show they were asking 350$ but by the end of the show he gave em to me for 300$ and he's been doin great ever since :P you gotta be careful tho, they're so delecate when they're that small, idk how old mine was when i got him but damn was he small, he's grown up quite a bit....AND HE'S GOT THE CRAZIEST FEEDING RESPONSE 2!:rolleye2:
whatever you do dont put a neonate in a display cage ive seen it a lot at pet stores, they're too out in the open and with screen tops, humidity is always an issue. a small tub at first with an UTH works great, then once they're big enough a display cage is good. I think they're much better off in a tub at first, they're hidden, secure. another side note, i purchased my adult GTP for $380

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Im assuming at prices like that, they are imported. The OP was looking for captive bred i believe.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

i'd have to say that is true! but go for it! not my money!

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$300 bucks from a great breeder and guy Ben Team
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gtp prices have dropped a lot in the past few years - you can absolutely find cbb from cbb parents for in the $300 range now. I wouldn't expect to see them much lower though.

I would certainly be willing to pay more for a speciman from someone I trusted though...

The sad thing I am seeing is not only is the price dropping, but lately I have seen a lot of 09's available sexed.. THAT is scary..

i know who ben team is. are you friends with him or something?

deals like that are few and far between.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

i know who ben team is. are you friends with him or something?

deals like that are few and far between.

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I have bought animals from Ben and we are cool but friends no not really, but my point was that there are nice $300 Chondros out there to be had. I didn't say they were everywhere or common, as a matter of fact it is fairly rare. However your comment was

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BTW it seems as if you only have $300 to spend as per your other posts....you won't get a US captive bred anywhere for that price.

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anytime you see adults, or neos for 350 or under at shows, they are FB and not USCB.

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That just isn't the case, look I understand the OP made you all mad or whatever but don't take it out on me.


Chuck

i agree.. i see CBB neo's all the time in the $275-350 range. main reason being that GTP's aren't the most popular snake and a lot of people don't have $500 to spend on a pet.

chuck, not taking it out on you....was curious cause that price is low for animal. sounded like a friend price.

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Originally Posted by juddb

Im assuming at prices like that, they are imported. The OP was looking for captive bred i believe.

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:colbert: They were both captive bred ;)

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Originally Posted by Chuck

I have bought animals from Ben and we are cool but friends no not really, but my point was that there are nice $300 Chondros out there to be had. I didn't say they were everywhere or common, as a matter of fact it is fairly rare. However your comment was
Chuck

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Actually thats not that uncommon of a price anywhere from 300 to 400 is average at all the expos I have been to.

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Originally Posted by BGdyl

:colbert: They were both captive bred ;)

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Sorry if im sounding like a sceptic. Do you have any paperwork for your animals, who produced the animal's?

Is it really that important to you to see paperwork to that affect. I have gotten many a CBB without paperwork to document it. I understand what you think but honestly if they are or are not as long as he is happy with them who cares.


Chuck

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Is it really that important to you to see paperwork to that affect. I have gotten many a CBB without paperwork to document it. I understand what you think but honestly if they are or are not as long as he is happy with them who cares.


Chuck

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Im not doubting you at all, i know Ben Team as well. Im sure you know the lineage of your ben team animal, i would be suprised if you didnt have the pedigree on that animal. Anyway, it is important to me to have an animals paperwork, because lineage is very important to me, obviously when buying an import or farmbred i understand i will have no history on that animal.

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Is it really that important to you to see paperwork to that affect. I have gotten many a CBB without paperwork to document it. I understand what you think but honestly if they are or are not as long as he is happy with them who cares.


Chuck

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LOL Chuck spoke for me on that one :D I'm with him on this

I think I'll jump in here and say that this conversation has went a bit out of hand. For a quality animal expect to pay 300+. Mike C. on the MVF (use google) sells CBB animals for 350-400 shipped. Jon Healy sold me my last guy for 350 shipped (search). However, I have paid over a lot for one and I have linage on him along with compete records from Rico. I really suggest buying an older one because this is not a very forgiving species. Everyone says they want to see the change, but you'll be just as happy without it. It takes time to find the deal you want, so don't rush into anything. I looked forever for a nice sorong/jaya type and finally found one at a good price range. MVF is going to really be your best bet on quality animals and info. Please, don't be some macho for us. Ask any questions you have, if you're not comfortable posting them PM me. This site is about responsible owners and it seems that everyone is trying to point that out, but in the wrong fashion. Sorry for offending anyone, but this really has gone a bit overboard.

What does Cbb and such mean?

i think the difference is that you have some guys that are wannabe internet rockstars that sell animals for way too much, then you have guys who have super nice animals that sell them for less at shows because they have lives and jobs and don't want to deal with shipping, advertising, keeping up appearances, feeding neos, etc etc etc. shows are where the deals are - that's why we go... or at least, thats how the shows i go to are.

average show price..unknown breeders...$350 something

but my option..I wouldnt buy them!

nevermind

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average show price..unknown breeders...$350

but my option..I wouldnt buy them!

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I think I'll jump in here and say that this conversation has went a bit out of hand. For a quality animal expect to pay 300+. Mike C. on the MVF (use google) sells CBB animals for 350-400 shipped. Jon Healy sold me my last guy for 350 shipped (search). However, I have paid over a lot for one and I have linage on him along with compete records from Rico. I really suggest buying an older one because this is not a very forgiving species. Everyone says they want to see the change, but you'll be just as happy without it. It takes time to find the deal you want, so don't rush into anything. I looked forever for a nice sorong/jaya type and finally found one at a good price range. MVF is going to really be your best bet on quality animals and info. Please, don't be some macho for us. Ask any questions you have, if you're not comfortable posting them PM me. This site is about responsible owners and it seems that everyone is trying to point that out, but in the wrong fashion. Sorry for offending anyone, but this really has gone a bit overboard.

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David I am curious how this thread is out of hand, first off the OP is a total troll, but at least he has you to help him out.

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i think the difference is that you have some guys that are wannabe internet rockstars that sell animals for way too much, then you have guys who have super nice animals that sell them for less at shows because they have lives and jobs and don't want to deal with shipping, advertising, keeping up appearances, feeding neos, etc etc etc. shows are where the deals are - that's why we go... or at least, thats how the shows i go to are.

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OMG thank you Colin!!!!! well said

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What does Cbb and such mean?

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CBB stands for captive born and bred. CH stands for captive hatched. WC stands for wild caught. LTC stands for long term captive.

I only deal with CBB myself.

and CB can mean either captive bred or captive born. most animals at shows are marked CB because they were captive born on a farm.

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OMG thank you Colin!!!!! well said

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Or.....they are the guys that have paved the way over the last 10-20 years, in figuring out the most efficient way to be successful with chondros. It's not about who wants to be the internet king.

I'm not saying you can't find a good animal for $300-400. But I will say you are going to have a hard time finding a unique chondro for that. Whatever floats your boat. Chondros are easy. Hatchling chondros are not. It is one reason I keep all chondros I produce until they are 10-24 months old....not to mention, to keep from letting anything like these go. These are all from the same parents.......and I have more.
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Lineage and a proven track record go a long way. Let me know when you find something like this for $300. It's probably coming, but it will be a few years. A very well-known ball python breeder has set up a very large collection of chondros in the last couple of years. We'll see what happens.

well brandon, if someone's been doing it 20 years then that's obviously not who i'm referring to.

the fact of the matter is, i can name half a dozen guys that breed quality, documented locale specific animals and sell them for cheap because it's a hobby. the only place you will see them is at shows because they don't have websites or publish books and articles... that's all i'm saying; that just because an animal is not $500-$1000 doesn't mean it's farmed or of poor quality.

The other thing is demonizing FB animals is a bunch of bull also. You know I have seen some amazing animals come from a FB specimen pairing. So to some degree I feel like people demonize FB animals just to promote CBB animals. Look I am not saying that you don't take your chances to some degree with FB animals. With a "quality" breeder you will get a well adjusted and hopefully well started Chondro. Let just say you buy a Bush Master chondro and it is a pain in the butt to feed and what not, well that baby may very well be a F1 or F2 animal from wild caught parents. Lets be honest here isn't that were everyone Chondros started from a pain in the butt pair of wild caught parents. So to slam FB animals is just Bull. That said to recommend a FB animal to a person new to Chondros is bull to. I just think people need to keep FB animals in the right perspective.

Chuck

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well brandon, if someone's been doing it 20 years then that's obviously not who i'm referring to.

the fact of the matter is, i can name half a dozen guys that breed quality, documented locale specific animals and sell them for cheap because it's a hobby. the only place you will see them is at shows because they don't have websites or publish books and articles... that's all i'm saying; that just because an animal is not $500-$1000 doesn't mean it's farmed or of poor quality.

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"Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand
i think the difference is that you have some guys that are wannabe internet rockstars that sell animals for way too much, then you have guys who have super nice animals that sell them for less at shows because they have lives and jobs and don't want to deal with shipping, advertising, keeping up appearances, feeding neos, etc etc etc. shows are where the deals are - that's why we go... Or at least, thats how the shows i go to are."

Agreed. I am with you on that. I guess I should have asked you what you consider "way too much". What do you think of the Ball Python market? I love my Ball Pythons, but it's been an overpriced market for what seems like eternity. I see plenty of chondros on the internet for $300-400 from respected breeders. I would be careful buying at a show. If I've never heard of them, I would probably move along. I see some clutches that I do think are overpriced, but some I would consider underpriced. Depends on who you talk to.

I guess it kind of struck a nerve with me, but honestly, I do not take offense to it. I have a life, a job but not necessarly a real job by most peoples' standards, I don't advertise, I don't mind feeding neos (most of the time for at least a year), etc. We create our own market niche. A friend of mine that bred chondros once asked me to sell him snakes at a discounted price because that's what they went for in out area. I just told him, "I can't do it. My market is not here, it's everywhere".

I understand the point you guys are trying to make here. I don't speak out against farm bred or run of the mill normal green animals. I have several proven, very LTC imports in my collection. On the other hand, I have even more not so LTC imports in my freezer. It is a roll of the dice. Have there been some exceptionally unique chondros produced on farms? Yes, a handful. I love green animals as much as I love yellow and blue animals. For those that chose the "inexpensive" route, it will usually lead into more animals, and eventually wanting to acquire something with lineage or a different appearance....at a higher price. It's the difference between a Chevy Coblat and a Corvette. They both get you where you need to go, but one is faster and to some, looks better.

I hope some of this made sense. lol. :gj:

P.S. I'm not an internet rockstar, but I play one in real life. :rolleye2:

I bought mine for 200 bucks... craigslist!!

[QUOTE=juddb;1061568} You need to go ahead and pick up a corn snake. .[/QUOTE]
Hate to call him out, but it's the best example. This probably discouraged the OP and has the colubrid forum talking. On a bit of a side note Chuck, this will be the last thread where I defend what I say because you decide to call it out. Troll or not, Pat is here for info.

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Hate to call him out, but it's the best example. This probably discouraged the OP and has the colubrid forum talking. On a bit of a side note Chuck, this will be the last thread where I defend what I say because you decide to call it out. Troll or not, Pat is here for info.

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David

I asked you a simple question since you saw fit to call this thread out of hand. So why do you think its out of hand????. See I call it a discussion, and in a discussion ideas are exchanged and disagreements are talked through. This is how adults communicate, and I am not sure why that seems out of hand to you. So I wanted to understand why you felt the way you did.

David honestly I really doubt this will be the last time you end up defending something you say. I think you should look at your post if you would have left out anything about the conversation being out of hand, and apologizing for offending anyone then once again proclaiming how overboard it has become. Do you think I would have said a word...... let me help you no I wouldn't have, because other than that it was a great post. You went out of your way to let everyone else who posted to the thread know how you felt about the direction of the conversation. I was sitting there reading it asking myself what was wrong with the thread I thought it was pretty good. Then I thought who put you on a high horse that you are all of a sudden telling people when they have gone to far. So I am sorry if you feel like I am picking on you, but from were I am sitting you brought that on yourself.



On a side note are you serious!!! a troll that is here to learn, That is a good one.


Chuck