Can anyone tell me what this looks like??

I was told this is a male Pastel. Am I just not seeing it or is it really a pastel?? Please give all opinions!!

http://s519.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_6006.jpg

That is a pastel. A very brown one though.
If your not certain, ask for belly shots. That'll tell the tale.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

That is a pastel. A very brown one though.
If your not certain, ask for belly shots. That'll tell the tale.

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I know if it is it has to be very dark cause I have a female and she is like a highlighter color. And how does looking at the belly tell the tale so to speak?

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Originally Posted by BLong7211

I know if it is it has to be very dark cause I have a female and she is like a highlighter color. And how does looking at the belly tell the tale so to speak?

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If the belly is completely white and clear, it almost guarantees the pastel gene is present. (since it also shows all of the other pastel signs, it has the yellow sides and coloration (though much darker than most pastels) and has the pattern of a pastel and the blushing).

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

If the belly is completely white and clear, it almost guarantees the pastel gene is present. (since it also shows all of the other pastel signs, it has the yellow sides and coloration (though much darker than most pastels) and has the pattern of a pastel and the blushing).

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ok I got the belly thing but the patterns are different?? This is what my pastel looks like and compared to the other the other looks just like a normal to me!
http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/w...ng7211/002.jpg

Pastels have a different pattern. It's much more busy, blushed, and often contains loops and connecting side saddles while normals usually have uniform sides and back stripes/spots.

A pastel's pattern is often all over the place and not as uniform as a normal. It takes looking at quite a few pastels to get used to the difference.
You can also tell that the brown on top of the animal is different than a 'normals' brown as well as the yellow melts into it differently.

There are so many reasons, but mostly it's just from knowing pastels really well. (Pastels are my best morph to pick out, Fires and Vanillas are my worst, and I'm getting better at YBs.
Many would say Fires and Vanillas look identical to normals, as well as YBs, unless you have the experience and eye to point them out. ;)

Edit: Color ranges are very wide in pastels, but you can't determine a pastel based on color alone. Personally, I'd pass on that pastel because I like to pick really bright yellow pastels. But, that's just me.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Pastels have a different pattern. It's much more busy, blushed, and often contains loops and connecting side saddles while normals usually have uniform sides and back stripes/spots.

A pastel's pattern is often all over the place and not as uniform as a normal. It takes looking at quite a few pastels to get used to the difference.
You can also tell that the brown on top of the animal is different than a 'normals' brown as well as the yellow melts into it differently.

There are so many reasons, but mostly it's just from knowing pastels really well. (Pastels are my best morph to pick out, Fires and Vanillas are my worst, and I'm getting better at YBs.
Many would say Fires and Vanillas look identical to normals, as well as YBs, unless you have the experience and eye to point them out. ;)

Edit: Color ranges are very wide in pastels, but you can't determine a pastel based on color alone. Personally, I'd pass on that pastel because I like to pick really bright yellow pastels. But, that's just me.

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So in your opinion that is a pastel then? I don't want to be getting a male that is supposed to be a pastel and find out later it isn't! LOL That would suck!

I looked at his photobucket and found that this animal is the same one.
http://s519.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_6007.jpg
This further proves the pattern differences. If you look at the scales, it's almost as if they are surrounded by a line of yellow, because that shows the areas that have browned out over time. :gj:

Yes, it's a pastel. And I guess I have to say it's in my opinion, but I really am pretty sure on this one that it is in fact a pastel.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I looked at his photobucket and found that this animal is the same one.
http://s519.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=100_6007.jpg
This further proves the pattern differences. If you look at the scales, it's almost as if they are surrounded by a line of yellow, because that shows the areas that have browned out over time. :gj:

Yes, it's a pastel. And I guess I have to say it's in my opinion, but I really am pretty sure on this one that it is in fact a pastel.

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Yeah I see the yellow blending into the brown on the sides in that pic but I don't think that is the one I am getting.

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Originally Posted by BLong7211

Yeah I see the yellow blending into the brown on the sides in that pic but I don't think that is the one I am getting.

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Those are both the same animal.
If you look at the patterns, they match up. (unfortunately the tail covers his neck in the first picture or those two neck spots in the second picture would give it away, but the 8 halfway down the upper section is shown identically in both pictures).

That's a pastel. Not a very good representation of the morph, but a pastel.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Those are both the same animal.
If you look at the patterns, they match up. (unfortunately the tail covers his neck in the first picture or those two neck spots in the second picture would give it away, but the 8 halfway down the upper section is shown identically in both pictures).

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ok yeah I do see the pattern is the same in those two pics and I can tell in the one you found that it is a pastel! Thanks for all the help!!

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Originally Posted by BLong7211

So in your opinion that is a pastel then? I don't want to be getting a male that is supposed to be a pastel and find out later it isn't! LOL That would suck!

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May I offer my opinion?

Yes - he's a pastel. BUT - are you interested in getting him just for the sake of getting a male pastel? And if you get him, are your intentions to breed him?

The reason that I ask - if it were me, and I were looking for a male pastel to add to my collection to be a breeder for my small hobbiest business, I would not choose that male to be a breeder.

I would continue to look for the very best example of a pastel that I could find if my eventual goal was to breed pastels or super pastels.

I searched for quite some time before I purchased Winston.

http://www.robinsnestreptiles.com/nest.php?id=11

He's pictured in the first picture in the series of photos, and that picture was taken this month, and he's 3 years old. His daughter is featured in the rest of the photos.

I simply mean - the quality of your breeders is going to be a huge factor in the quality of the animals that you produce.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

May I offer my opinion?

Yes - he's a pastel. BUT - are you interested in getting him just for the sake of getting a male pastel? And if you get him, are your intentions to breed him?

The reason that I ask - if it were me, and I were looking for a male pastel to add to my collection to be a breeder for my small hobbiest business, I would not choose that male to be a breeder.

I would continue to look for the very best example of a pastel that I could find if my eventual goal was to breed pastels or super pastels.

I searched for quite some time before I purchased Winston.

http://www.robinsnestreptiles.com/nest.php?id=11

He's pictured in the first picture in the series of photos, and that picture was taken this month, and he's 3 years old. His daughter is featured in the rest of the photos.

I simply mean - the quality of your breeders is going to be a huge factor in the quality of the animals that you produce.

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Well I would like to breed eventually but he was thrown in extra on a trade that I have made so I can't really say I don't want him when I have already accepted the deal for the spider male. But I understand what you mean and the specimen in my avatar is the pastel female I have now. But I just wanted to be sure he was what the person said he was. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by BLong7211

Well I would like to breed eventually but he was thrown in extra on a trade that I have made so I can't really say I don't want him when I have already accepted the deal for the spider male. But I understand what you mean and the specimen in my avatar is the pastel female I have now. But I just wanted to be sure he was what the person said he was. Thanks!

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Fair enough, I thought you were interested in purchase, I wasn't aware that it was a trade offer. Yep, he's a pastel, but one that most would classify as a low to mid-grade pastel. Good luck with the trade!:)

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Fair enough, I thought you were interested in purchase, I wasn't aware that it was a trade offer. Yep, he's a pastel, but one that most would classify as a low to mid-grade pastel. Good luck with the trade!:)

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Thanks! I hope all goes well with the trade too! It is supposed to happen in a few hrs!!:banana: If everything goes as planned I will take some photos of all 3 I am getting( 1.0 Spider, 1.0 Pastel as shown earlier and an "odd" looking normale female) Keeping my fingers crossed!!!:D

Good luck!!

On a side note: I love Winston :D

Very dark pastel. Possibly goind into shed?

Yes this is a pastel.