What would you do?

OK we have the following:

Three breeding size normal females of unknown genetics

One pastel male (gorgeous!)

One proven breeder albino male (he's my avatar picture)

One proven breeder het pied male

We are thinking of doing a breeding of each male to one of the females...

But then, what do I keep, and what then?

Also, we have a het albino female- obviously I am going to breed her to the straight up albino male. Am I right in assuming that will give me on average, 3/4 albinos and 1/4 het albinos?

Our het piebald female is no where near breeding size or age yet, so she's waiting in the wings.

Obviously I am new at this... but I love the genetics side of it and the possibilities we have.

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

OK we have the following:

Three breeding size normal females of unknown genetics

One pastel male (gorgeous!)

One proven breeder albino male (he's my avatar picture)

One proven breeder het pied male

We are thinking of doing a breeding of each male to one of the females...

But then, what do I keep, and what then?

Also, we have a het albino female- obviously I am going to breed her to the straight up albino male. Am I right in assuming that will give me on average, 3/4 albinos and 1/4 het albinos?

Our het piebald female is no where near breeding size or age yet, so she's waiting in the wings.

Obviously I am new at this... but I love the genetics side of it and the possibilities we have.

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Pastel X normal should give you 50% pastels 50% normals. Keep all the females.
Albino X normal will give you all 100% hets. Keep the females.
Het pied X normal will give you 50% het pied, personally I would not do this pairing, breed her to the pastel and shoot for more pastel females.
Albino X het albino should give you 50% albinos and 50% hets.
Remember all these numbers are statistics...not definates.

Thanks- so I should hold off on the het male until I can use him on the het piebald girl... that works. Then I will get het piebalds and actual piebalds, right? OMG I can't wait for that :)

Hi,

Tough call.

Since you have het pied and het albino females I'm not sure you would get a lot of advantage to breeding a clutch of 50% poss het pieds and holding back all the females, or having more female het albino's.

But it really depends on your long term goals - doing the above you would have more chance of extra recessive offspring with only 3 years to wait and you would know the full history of the animals. But they would also all be related to the males you have.

Personally I would think about running the pastel through all three breedable age females and possibly exchanging, or selling, the offspring to either get unrelated animals of the genes you already have or possibly even adding more varieties.

But in the end it comes down to what you really plan on long term. :)


dr del

Het X het gives each egg a 25% chance of being normal, 50% chance of being a het, and 25% chance of being a visual pied.

My main goal right now is I want to make piebalds. I just have a HUGE obsession with them, and I don't want to buy one... when I can try making my own. I think it will be a lot of fun! But I do have the baby het pied.

I like the idea of getting the pastels- I can sell them now, and they are pretty. We are open to buying another morph if there's one that would make more cool stuff and be good with what we have.

Here is what I would do:
Pastel to all normal females. Keep all pastel females from this pairing. Sell all others.
Albino to het albino. This should give you ½ albino and ½ het albinos. Maybe keep a female albino or two. Sell all others.
Eventually het pied to het pied. This should give you ¼ pieds and all others will have a 66% chance of being a het. Keep any pied. Sell all others.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

You can use the money you get from saleing the snakes you dont need to keep to buy a couple codom males (spider, pin, mojave, ect) these bred to a normal will give you 50% visuals, and bred to pastel females will give you some nice combos.

BTW...personally I see nothing wrong with making 100% het albinos, there is a market for them.

Since your in it for pied's... weigh your odds i do all pastels or maybe 1 to my albino sell all and you could buy a couple of het pied's and be pumping pied's next season.

pastel x normal= 50 50
albino x normal = all 100 het albino
het pied x normal = don't even consider finding which ones will be het pied.

so then u sell most ur offspring keep any female albino maybe 1 or 2 pastel females if u wanna try supers...

so you will have some normals to sell
het pieds
albino males
pastels

piick up read to breed het pied

It depends on where you want to be several years from now. If you are interested in doing lots of combos with either albino or pied, I would consider breeding those males each to one normal to get some het or phet females to raise up to help out later with your combo projects. Even then, it depends on what combos you want to make. A het female can be useful in a co-dom/recessive combo, but not so much in a double recessive combo.

If you don't have a lot of interest in pursuing those combos, then I'd either breed the pastel to all 3 females, or I'd pick up 1 or 2 more co-dom males.

Thanks!!!

I think it would be neat to make an albino piebald, too... what would happen if I got my piebald and bred her right to my albino male? double hets? I have so much to learn! ;)

Yes, all 100% double hets. :) Which is a really good thing.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Tough call.

Since you have het pied and het albino females I'm not sure you would get a lot of advantage to breeding a clutch of 50% poss het pieds and holding back all the females, or having more female het albino's.

But it really depends on your long term goals - doing the above you would have more chance of extra recessive offspring with only 3 years to wait and you would know the full history of the animals. But they would also all be related to the males you have.

Personally I would think about running the pastel through all three breedable age females and possibly exchanging, or selling, the offspring to either get unrelated animals of the genes you already have or possibly even adding more varieties.

But in the end it comes down to what you really plan on long term. :)


dr del

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Thank you so much for posting this.

I am sick of the "keep the females and breed them back to their father" suggestions I see all over the internet. We're going to end up with a bunch of messed up snakes if everyone does that. One eyed albinos, anyone?

As for the op, go with what interests you. The double-het albino pied is a long project, but a well worth it one. I would suggest producing the DH, and then trading with someone else who has DH, and mix up the bloodlines.

Good luck.

Chris

I will definitely be talking about all these ideas with DH when we get the chance. Good stuff! What a nice and helpful place this is.

If it were up to me I would breed the pastel to all the females. Keep all the females of the clutch. Then sell or trade the males to expand the collection.

Well, I know everyone says to do all pastels...but if you want piebalds, and you're most interested in pieds, then why NOT breed the 100% het pied male to one of the normal girls and hold back the poss het girls. Look at it this way--you save them, and you have 3 years before they'll be breedable. But in the mean time, why not buy another 100% het male of a different lineage? They're not expensive (I see 100% het males going for $100) and that way you'll have diverse genetics and a higher chance of producing piebalds--and more of them!--in a few years. And even if some of the 50% het girls don't turn out to be hets, well, that's fine too, because you'll still have nice, solid normal girls for breeding your codoms and such to, and you'll know where they came from and that they're healthy. I think you're always better off raising your girls from babies. Besides that, getting an adult female, she might not feel secure enough in her new surroundings to breed for a year or two--maybe as long as it would have taken if you'd just gotten babies.

And anyways...if you're lucky, you might end up with 2-3 100% het pied girls of breedable size and age instead of just one and some babies. *wink*

Sooo...maybe not instant gratification, but you'd get what you want in the long run, I guess.

Been talking it over with DH and we're both super excited! We had some snake setbacks and learned some hard lessons (DON'T get discount snakes off Craigslist from idiots!). Hundreds of dollars of vet bills later... we have ten beautiful, healthy snakes, five of whom are from breeders and five of whom are lucky finds or rescues.

We've got time to think it over- we can't really breed any this year, right? Or do they still breed in summer sometimes? We are in Florida and our snakes are in an screened area that is not air conditioned- they love the heat, but they definitely know what season it is ;) (Don't worry, they were indoors all winter).

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

Been talking it over with DH and we're both super excited! We had some snake setbacks and learned some hard lessons (DON'T get discount snakes off Craigslist from idiots!). Hundreds of dollars of vet bills later... we have ten beautiful, healthy snakes, five of whom are from breeders and five of whom are lucky finds or rescues.

We've got time to think it over- we can't really breed any this year, right? Or do they still breed in summer sometimes? We are in Florida and our snakes are in an screened area that is not air conditioned- they love the heat, but they definitely know what season it is ;) (Don't worry, they were indoors all winter).

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its my Understanding that you can really bread whenever you want because they are captive you just want to ajust the temps for breeding season...

Someone correct me if i am wrong.

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

Been talking it over with DH and we're both super excited! We had some snake setbacks and learned some hard lessons (DON'T get discount snakes off Craigslist from idiots!). Hundreds of dollars of vet bills later... we have ten beautiful, healthy snakes, five of whom are from breeders and five of whom are lucky finds or rescues.

We've got time to think it over- we can't really breed any this year, right? Or do they still breed in summer sometimes? We are in Florida and our snakes are in an screened area that is not air conditioned- they love the heat, but they definitely know what season it is ;) (Don't worry, they were indoors all winter).

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XD I'm in north florida and I've got my boy locking with one of my girls as we speak. They're LOVING this weather lately! I've kept my windows cracked for the cool front and the rain. I think you'll be fine.

I sure hope we get something. My giant female locked with one of my males a few months ago and nothing resulted. So that was discouraging.

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

I sure hope we get something. My giant female locked with one of my males a few months ago and nothing resulted. So that was discouraging.

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Don't get discouraged. There is always next season.

Hi

i always love to read this cant of topics! i think the DH is a super goal!..if i where you go for the male pastel to 2 females and the albino to a female! holdback a few females! and sell the rest and buy there a Female het pied or male het pieb for

Good luck with it