what types of pythons make what?

i want to start breeding and i cant decide which type of bald pythons to buy. there are so many diff. colors. what are some examples of which 2 snakes make diff offspring. and also does anyone know if a sulfur mojave and a sulfur mojave make a super mojave. i am new to all this and i just want to know which 2 snakes i can buy and breed that will make beautiful, saleable babies? please help thanks.

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If you do some reasearch on diff sites you will learn alot. It all depends on what morph(s) you like. If you have a normal then your quickest route to produce morphs is buy a co dominent morph of the opposite sex. Ralphdavisreptiles.com is a good site to look at. I havent reasearched the sulfer mojave myself so i know nothin of it so i cant answer that. any more questions just ask.

Take a look at my site her http://www.snake-zone.com/genetics/list/
here you can see what most of the combo morphs is made of..

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Originally Posted by garett

i want to start breeding and i cant decide which type of bald pythons to buy. there are so many diff. colors. what are some examples of which 2 snakes make diff offspring. and also does anyone know if a sulfur mojave and a sulfur mojave make a super mojave. i am new to all this and i just want to know which 2 snakes i can buy and breed that will make beautiful, saleable babies? please help thanks.

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Check out NERDs website, I think you will find what you're looking for.

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Take a look at my site her http://www.snake-zone.com/genetics/list/
here you can see what most of the combo morphs is made of..

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I have found your website one of the most helpful for individuals looking for the different ball python morphs. I refer people to it all the time. Thank you for all the hard work you put into it.

thanks guys i couldnt really understand what that list was but i dont know a whole lot about genetics. if yall could recommend me to snakes that will turn out beautiful babies that i could sale what would yall recommend. i kind of like lemon pastel's but what would i have to get to make those kind of babies and what are yalls favorites and how do yall make those. thinks guys - garett

Lemon Pastels are co-dom so you would need to buy one to make them.

Do your home work. If you dont know what to get sounds like you got alot more homework. A thread in forum wont give you the knowledge you need, but its a start.

I breed what I like, not what other people think;)

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thanks guys i couldnt really understand what that list was but i dont know a whole lot about genetics. if yall could recommend me to snakes that will turn out beautiful babies that i could sale what would yall recommend. i kind of like lemon pastel's but what would i have to get to make those kind of babies and what are yalls favorites and how do yall make those. thinks guys - garett

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I suggest reading and researching before breeding. The sites above will give you a ton of really awesome information. I'd also suggest calling breeders to talk to them about purchasing the animal that best works for you, your breeding plans and your budget.

If you're just looking to breed to make money.. I don't think thats a good route to go down. Breeding these animals (from my understanding) takes a lot of time, money, resources and sometimes even heartache.

Breeding should be about what you want. Do you like piebalds, spiders, designer morphs (combination of 2 or more base morphs)? Figure out what is most appealing to you and then the fun part is trying to get there.

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Lemon Pastels are co-dom so you would need to buy one to make them.

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if i bought a Lemon pastel what other type would i have to buy to breed to it?

You can breed Co-dom's to any ball and make them. So you can just breed a lemon pastel to a normal ball and make them. If you breed a lemon pastel to a lemon pastel you could also get super lemon pastels out of the clutch

Hi,

Try this to see if it helps explain what co-dom means in practical terms.


dr del

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i want to start breeding and i cant decide which type of bald pythons to buy.

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Not sure of anyone else caught this, but they are Ball Pythons. Not Bald Pythons. Sorry, made me laugh just a little. lol. Sounds like you have a lot of research to do.

If you like pastels look into the Bee combinations. They are my favorite :)

From the sounds of everything you have posted in this thread, you have MUCH MORE research to do before you jump head first. And if your only intention of getting into this is for the Money, you will soon learn that you are going to spend more money than you make.

Do everyone else and yourself a favor. Get a baby ball python, spend the next 2 years raising her up and if you want to breed still, she will then be at the correct size. :gj:

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From the sounds of everything you have posted in this thread, you have MUCH MORE research to do before you jump head first. And if your only intention of getting into this is for the Money, you will soon learn that you are going to spend more money than you make.

Do everyone else and yourself a favor. Get a baby ball python, spend the next 2 years raising her up and if you want to breed still, she will then be at the correct size. :gj:

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well said!!!

not to concerned with what you 2 think. I have done my research, sorry i'm not a genetic major. but i probably have more schooling then the two of you put together.

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not to concerned with what you 2 think. I have done my research, sorry i'm not a genetic major. but i probably have more schooling then the two of you put together.

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Now there's a solid way to be welcomed into the community.

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thanks guys i couldnt really understand what that list was but i dont know a whole lot about genetics. if yall could recommend me to snakes that will turn out beautiful babies that i could sale what would yall recommend. i kind of like lemon pastel's but what would i have to get to make those kind of babies and what are yalls favorites and how do yall make those. thinks guys - garett

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This paragraph just screams education! :gj:

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not to concerned with what you 2 think. I have done my research, sorry i'm not a genetic major. but i probably have more schooling then the two of you put together.

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That post right there, just got you NO HELP from me.

Sad when punk kids think they can come throw their weight around here.

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not to concerned with what you 2 think. I have done my research, sorry i'm not a genetic major. but i probably have more schooling then the two of you put together.

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For someone who has done so much research and completed as much schooling as you have, you sure do come off as a regular moron.

First off, your greatest motivation for breeding BPs is the money. Go to kingsnake.com, see the HUNDREDS of baby BPs on sale, witness first hand the morphs for sale and then realize that you have no shot, because you are not :

1- a reputable breeder ( you're a guy that sees a quick buck)
2- knowledgeable enough to create snakes worth buying. (It has nothing to do with being a genetics major, it all comes down to research. I knew nothing 2 weeks ago, I now have a collection to start breeding not for the money, but for the love of BPs and taking part in something as amazing producing piebalds, bumblebees, etc.)
3- smart (you can say all you want, you can measure a person's intelligence by what they say.)

Forget what the nice people here told you and listen to me...do NOT buy, own, care for, house or raise a BP. They are amazing creatures and deserve amazing owners, not people who see fast money and when it doesn't happen...abandon their animals. Because I have a feeling if you raise a female for 2 years, she'll be on a classified listed after the first year. My $.02, keep the change.:gj:

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For someone who has done so much research and completed as much schooling as you have, you sure do come off as a regular moron.

First off, your greatest motivation for breeding BPs is the money. Go to kingsnake.com, see the HUNDREDS of baby BPs on sale, witness first hand the morphs for sale and then realize that you have no shot, because you are not :

1- a reputable breeder ( you're a guy that sees a quick buck)
2- knowledgeable enough to create snakes worth buying. (It has nothing to do with being a genetics major, it all comes down to research. I knew nothing 2 weeks ago, I now have a collection to start breeding not for the money, but for the love of BPs and taking part in something as amazing producing piebalds, bumblebees, etc.)
3- smart (you can say all you want, you can measure a person's intelligence by what they say.)

Forget what the nice people here told you and listen to me...do NOT buy, own, care for, house or raise a BP. They are amazing creatures and deserve amazing owners, not people who see fast money and when it doesn't happen...abandon their animals. Because I have a feeling if you raise a female for 2 years, she'll be on a classified listed after the first year. My $.02, keep the change.:gj:

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Pavlovk1025, I like you.

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not to concerned with what you 2 think. I have done my research, sorry i'm not a genetic major. but i probably have more schooling then the two of you put together.

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Interesting thought you have...

And for your well educated mind its spelled sell, not sale. As in you want to make fast money SELLing pythons, at your uneducated yard SALE.

Like I said before, raise up a baby ball from a female and if you have the patience to do so, then MAYBE, just MAYBE, you have the patience required to breed, let alone raise more than one.

And on a completely asinine side note, when you ask for help, don't aggravate those you are requesting the help from. Take the criticism as food for thought, because there are many here who can lead you down the correct path, and many here who have the knowledge to back up their opinions. :snake:

Guys,

If you find yourself wanting to post something you think might get you in trouble on the site please just take a deep breath and go hug a snake. :hug:


dr del

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Guys,

If you find yourself wanting to post something you think might get you in trouble on the site please just take a deep breath and go hug a snake. :hug:


dr del

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Yep. My bad.

What's with all the negative replies? Ball python husbandry is hardly rocket science. If you think that there is a lack of knowledge on the OP's part, why not use the time and forum space your paragraphs took up to write a few tips and some info that will benefit a new ball python owner? After all, this site's slogan is "The friendliest online community for all your herping needs!", not "The place for experienced keepers and breeders".

I spent about 45 minutes on the phone with Garett, and he was seriously interested in getting some answers about some contradictory information he'd received about husbandry and genetics. He bought a ball python after his wife and kids got to hold their first one a few months ago and fell in love with it. They have been looking at all the pictures of all the baddass morphs and combos out there, and like a lot of us, they are thinking about breeding, at some point down the road, to produce a couple of the combos he likes, and he wanted to know how easy or how difficult it might be to move any extra babies they might produce along the way. I guess he assumed that the friendliest and most helpful ball python forum would be a good place to start his research. Some of you need to lighten up a bit.

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What's with all the negative replies? Ball python husbandry is hardly rocket science. If you think that there is a lack of knowledge on the OP's part, why not use the time and forum space your paragraphs took up to write a few tips and some info that will benefit a new ball python owner? After all, this site's slogan is "The friendliest online community for all your herping needs!", not "The place for experienced keepers and breeders".

I spent about 45 minutes on the phone with Garett, and he was seriously interested in getting some answers about some contradictory information he'd received about husbandry and genetics. He bought a ball python after his wife and kids got to hold their first one a few months ago and fell in love with it. He has been looking at all the pictures of all the baddass morphs and combos out there, and like a lot of us, he is thinking about breeding, at some point down the road, to produce a couple of the combos he likes, and he wanted to know how easy or how difficult it might be to move any extra babies he might produce along the way. I guess he assumed that the friendliest and most helpful ball python forum would be a good place to start his research. Some of you need to lighten up a bit.

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One thing to be very interested, another thing to be completely rude about it.

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One thing to be very interested, another thing to be completely rude about it.

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Like I said in my post, take the constructive criticism, and dont be an ass when people give you advice.:gj:

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I concur, the rudeness was what set me off. Also, the way he presented his question made it seem as if his intentions were to breed for sale purposes only. There's nothing there about selling off extras that come along the way. Whatever. Good luck to him and whatever he does.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

For someone who has done so much research and completed as much schooling as you have, you sure do come off as a regular moron.

First off, your greatest motivation for breeding BPs is the money. Go to kingsnake.com, see the HUNDREDS of baby BPs on sale, witness first hand the morphs for sale and then realize that you have no shot, because you are not :

1- a reputable breeder ( you're a guy that sees a quick buck)
2- knowledgeable enough to create snakes worth buying. (It has nothing to do with being a genetics major, it all comes down to research. I knew nothing 2 weeks ago, I now have a collection to start breeding not for the money, but for the love of BPs and taking part in something as amazing producing piebalds, bumblebees, etc.)
3- smart (you can say all you want, you can measure a person's intelligence by what they say.)

Forget what the nice people here told you and listen to me...do NOT buy, own, care for, house or raise a BP. They are amazing creatures and deserve amazing owners, not people who see fast money and when it doesn't happen...abandon their animals. Because I have a feeling if you raise a female for 2 years, she'll be on a classified listed after the first year. My $.02, keep the change.:gj:

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My post was definitely not aimed at anyone who gave honest constructive criticism or advice. It was mainly aimed at this. Like you said, you didn't know anything 2 weeks ago, either. Now, after 2 weeks of asking questions, you are so full of snake wisdom that you can tell someone to ignore the advise of experienced, seasoned keepers and breeders here, and to only listen to you, a complete rookie who tells people that they shouldn't buy a single snake, and will never be able to sell future offspring, etc. Aren't you the one who thought albinos and lavender albinos were compatible, only a couple of days ago?

Usually, the people who have a couple of weeks of research and ownership under their belts stick to regurgitating forum dogma. You should stick to educating yourself for a while, imho, before attempting to hand out advice. You don't have experience, so all you are capable of doing is regurgitating internet dogma, or giving bad information.

He definitely knows that he's unlikely to break even breeding a pair or two of ball pythons, let alone make money. But for the record, there are plenty of people out there who breed way more snakes than any one person could ever love on a personal level, for the purpose of making money. I don't see a problem with it, as long as the snakes are taken care of. Congratulations on being such an "amazing owner", with such a deep passion for snakes, but don't assume that your passion gives you any special wisdom that a new owner won't receive from someone who likely has the same passion as you, but who actually has a little experience under his belt. Just my $0.02.

im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html

This is a good starting guide for it. :gj:

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im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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wow nice back tracking!!! well im sorry but you have a lot of nice people on this site that can help, i have had my problems here but its always been because im pasonite about the animals, i have learned a lot here and grown a lot!

well anyway good luck Einstien on "saleing your bald pythons"
sorry superballs still has to be superballs sometimes:D

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im not throwing my weight around all i wanted to know where some things about breeding not that i know nothing about it. everyone starts some where.

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right and starting somewhere shouldnt be being rude to people who can help!!

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My post was definitely not aimed at anyone who gave honest constructive criticism or advice. It was mainly aimed at this. Like you said, you didn't know anything 2 weeks ago, either. Now, after 2 weeks of asking questions, you are so full of snake wisdom that you can tell someone to ignore the advise of experienced, seasoned keepers and breeders here, and to only listen to you, a complete rookie who tells people that they shouldn't buy a single snake, and will never be able to sell future offspring, etc. Aren't you the one who thought albinos and lavender albinos were compatible, only a couple of days ago?

Usually, the people who have a couple of weeks of research and ownership under their belts stick to regurgitating forum dogma. You should stick to educating yourself for a while, imho, before attempting to hand out advice. You don't have experience, so all you are capable of doing is regurgitating internet dogma, or giving bad information.

He definitely knows that he's unlikely to break even breeding a pair or two of ball pythons, let alone make money. But for the record, there are plenty of people out there who breed way more snakes than any one person could ever love on a personal level, for the purpose of making money. I don't see a problem with it, as long as the snakes are taken care of. Congratulations on being such an "amazing owner", with such a deep passion for snakes, but don't assume that your passion gives you any special wisdom that a new owner won't receive from someone who likely has the same passion as you, but who actually has a little experience under his belt. Just my $0.02.

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All I said was if he is just looking to breed snakes for money, then he should not jump into it head first. It has been my personal life experience that whenever somebody deals with animals on a small scale for the sole purpose of making money, they tend not to care as much about the animal as they do about the potential income. Sure, some big breeders began small and then turned it into a business, and treat it as a business. They respect and care for the animals. 8ballpythons.com has a journal entry geared towards those thinking that BP breeding is the new "dot bomb." If the question was posed the way he back tracked, or the way you defended him, that indeed he was just interested in learning about a little to be able to sell off his extra animals...well then I would have responded in a whole different manner. The fact that he posed his first question as an inquiry as to whether or not he can make "bald pythons" "saleable" gave off an air of ignorance and a desire to own BPs driven by the potential money to be made.

Now onto your opinion of me and my "snake wisdom," as you call it. I am not a seasoned breeder by any means. What "I didnt know anything until 2 weeks ago" means is that I had no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible. Whoops, how did I ever miss such BASIC information. But I am no rookie to housing and caring for snakes. You assuming I have no experience is interesting to me. You umm..don't really know me. This is not my first walk in the park, thank you very much. Sure, I can regurgitate the info that I get from the forum and be a nice ole lad, but that would mean I would have to remain neutral towards owners that just might be heading the wrong path. The last thing I would like to see is some guy who thought he could make money breeding BPs and then ditching them in random places when his E/I ratio caused him to back out. HR 669 w00t w00t.

And I agree, there is no issue with people breeding more snakes than they can love for the purpose of profit, but like I said in the beginning, they at least care for the animals to the best of their ability until they are sold.

Bottom line...I saw a possible bad situation for a BP in the making, I reacted to it, and that's that. My bad for having a passion for bald pythons.:colbert2:

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All I said was if he is just looking to breed snakes for money, then he should not jump into it head first. It has been my personal life experience that whenever somebody deals with animals on a small scale for the sole purpose of making money, they tend not to care as much about the animal as they do about the potential income. Sure, some big breeders began small and then turned it into a business, and treat it as a business. They respect and care for the animals. 8ballpythons.com has a journal entry geared towards those thinking that BP breeding is the new "dot bomb." If the question was posed the way he back tracked, or the way you defended him, that indeed he was just interested in learning about a little to be able to sell off his extra animals...well then I would have responded in a whole different manner. The fact that he posed his first question as an inquiry as to whether or not he can make "bald pythons" "saleable" gave off an air of ignorance and a desire to own BPs driven by the potential money to be made.

Now onto your opinion of me and my "snake wisdom," as you call it. I am not a seasoned breeder by any means. What "I didnt know anything until 2 weeks ago" means is that I had no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible. Whoops, how did I ever miss such BASIC information. But I am no rookie to housing and caring for snakes. You assuming I have no experience is interesting to me. You umm..don't really know me. This is not my first walk in the park, thank you very much. Sure, I can regurgitate the info that I get from the forum and be a nice ole lad, but that would mean I would have to remain neutral towards owners that just might be heading the wrong path. The last thing I would like to see is some guy who thought he could make money breeding BPs and then ditching them in random places when his E/I ratio caused him to back out. HR 669 w00t w00t.

And I agree, there is no issue with people breeding more snakes than they can love for the purpose of profit, but like I said in the beginning, they at least care for the animals to the best of their ability until they are sold.

Bottom line...I saw a possible bad situation for a BP in the making, I reacted to it, and that's that. My bad for having a passion for bald pythons.:colbert2:

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im sorry, but your right on!!!!

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All I said was if he is just looking to breed snakes for money, then he should not jump into it head first.

Except for all that other stuff you said. If that were all you said, I would have agreed with you, instead of calling B.S.

Now onto your opinion of me and my "snake wisdom," as you call it. I am not a seasoned breeder by any means. What "I didnt know anything until 2 weeks ago" means is that I had no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible. Whoops, how did I ever miss such BASIC information. But I am no rookie to housing and caring for snakes. You assuming I have no experience is interesting to me. You umm..don't really know me.

I didn't pretend to know you, and I didn't assume anything. I quoted your words, my friend. You talked garbage here, saying that he would never be able to sell a snake, because of his ignorance of the mutation combinations, then even again in this reply, you say that 2 weeks ago you had "no clue the hundreds of morphs available, that a tub is better at holding humidity than a tank, that lavender albinos and albinos are not compatible". You didn't leave anything to the imagination here about your experience and knowledge level. You posted it all right here in this thread. There were no assumptions necessary. In my experience, you will probably not sell very many snakes, because from the very beginning of your time in the hobby, you are arrogant and unhelpful, and this shows everyone reading this that your customer service skills might be lacking, and like you said above, there are hundreds of well known breeders in the game. Customer service has become one of the most important factors for a lot of buyers.

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thanks guys i couldnt really understand what that list was but i dont know a whole lot about genetics. if yall could recommend me to snakes that will turn out beautiful babies that i could sale what would yall recommend. i kind of like lemon pastel's but what would i have to get to make those kind of babies and what are yalls favorites and how do yall make those. thinks guys - garett

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PLease dont be offended by this but it seems to me like your in this for a get rich quick scheme breeding is not as easy as you would think. I have been breeding 6 different females with assorted males for 8 months and have only gotten one clutch. Breeding is time consuming and can be expensive. And as for "which" morph will make the best babies is purely a matter of opinion. One may say a simple pastel others may say albino spider not gonna get into the really complex crosses. But make sure your in this for the love of tha animals first and then breeding as a way to expand your love and interest in these animals.

I pointed out that he would not be able to sell his snakes before doing research because there are a LOT of them out there to be sold by trusted names in the business. IF he was just trying to breed to sell, then he was entering a very competitive field of established morphs and the companies that sell them.

YOU took a shot at me and called me a rookie, if not knowing about the hundreds of morphs and their compatibilities makes me a rookie, then so be it. I guess everyone knows every aspect of their animals' genetic combo possibilities as soon as they take one into their care. From the beginning of my time in the hobby, I have not been arrogant and unhelpful, rather, I have been concerned for the well being of a random snake in another part of the world.

Werent you the one that got all flustered over an incubator tutorial because it had potential to cut your profits?

Anyways, I don't really feel like sitting here and arguing with you, so just enjoy doing what you do, and I'll enjoying what I do. And when/if your buddy Garett there decides that he took a long walk off a short pier with his newest money making idea, be kind enough to house the snakes for him, will ya? Shanks.

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:gj: right back at yah!!!!
and plus why are you doing all of Garrets talking for him, and turning it on to someone else who is just concerned about a animal, and anyway its Garret whos being extremly inmature not anyone else!!!!!

oh maybe your selling him a snake!

In your last post you stated that you were done with the argueing and now you posted again with more b.s. to fuel him to retaliate. Im not tryin to get in this aguement its all yours just showin how ignorant you sounded but i do agree with some of the stuff your sayin. Garett good luck with whatever you decide but please research.

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In your last post you stated that you were done with the argueing and now you posted again with more b.s. to fuel him to retaliate. Im not tryin to get in this aguement its all yours just showin how ignorant you sounded but i do agree with some of the stuff your sayin. Garett good luck with whatever you decide but please research.

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No, no Im really done. Me and PW are heading down the mature path and just forgetting it.

i tap out, im done too!!!!!!!!

guys this has gotten out of hand all i wanted to know is what 2 snakes made what and which snakes would sell better then others if i get two many to keep. this is not a money scheme but i have a family of four and dont plan on keeping every single snake that is produced, when there are other ppl out there that dont desire to breed but would rather have one of these pets to keep as there own. plus if i wasn't interested in the well being of the snake i wouldn't have asked for your advice! :gj:

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guys this has gotten out of hand all i wanted to know is what 2 snakes made what and which snakes would sell better then others if i get two many to keep. this is not a money scheme but i have a family of four and dont plan on keeping every single snake that is produced, when there are other ppl out there that dont desire to breed but would rather have one of these pets to keep as there own. plus if i wasn't interested in the well being of the snake i wouldn't have asked for your advice! :gj:

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I think the biggest problem with this thread is that you're asking questions that can't be answered in a simple paragraph. Heck, whole huge books have been written on the subject and there's still new stuff to learn popping up all the time. It's not that folks don't want to help...just that there aren't any simple answers that you seem to be looking for.

There are SO many different morphs and the market varies SO much from year to year...and everyone has different ideas about what are the "best" morphs because everyone has different tastes in what they believe makes an exciting or beautiful animal.

So my advice would be to simply slow down and be a little more patient with yourself and the learning curve you are embarking on. Read through the links offered. Dr del posted a very good link that will help you get a basic grasp of basic genetics and the terms you see flying around and which of the most common morphs fall into which categories. Don't be afraid to ask questions...but if you could narrow those questions down so that they have a more specific answer, it'll be a lot more helpful for you.

Good luck with it, and welcome to BP.net. :handshake I'm sorry if you got off to a rocky start.

What were your original intentions with breeding them? If you want to make a little money on the side from breeding your beloved pets and you enjoy the hobby, it's one thing (so long as you treat them like pets and not "products" that you acquired overnight to make babies for you). But as for supporting your family with a business, ask any of the larger breeders and they will more than likely tell you they had to start somewhere and initially had to "invest" (so to speak) in a ton of quality snakes to get where they are now.

To answer your question - (and I am by no means an expert, only a small time hobbyist) if you want to start breeding you should begin with something simple and go from there, say a pastel x normal. You can't expect to start with high end morphs right away unless you have a lot of $ and experience at your disposal. And for the extras that you want to sell "better" to people who just want them as pets and non-breeding purposes, I can tell you not too many people would drop $1000 on a bumblebee as a family pet. You also have to take into consideration that you are not a well-known and established breeder, therefore you cannot expect to charge the same prices.

Good luck if you are really interested and have a good heart for these kind creatures. I hope you aren't discouraged. Just do it for the right reasons, keep your snakes' health and well-being at the front of your mind at all times :)

I would like to put my .02 in here.

If I were you Garett I would start by first getting a pair or trio of normals and breed them. That way if you are unable to do it you only lost a small investment and the adults are still great not so expensive pets.

Second, if you are able to produce some babies you can sell the normal females on here to a lot of people, I myself am looking for about 10 normal females, and make some money on them. The males you can sell to friends or even pet stores. I know that is not a lot of money there but it is still worth it for a first time breeder.

Third, after you get use to breeding then spend some money on which ever morph you like. My favorite is the red axanthic and they have some awesome crosses that I love. My wife on the other hand loved pieds... Good thing I am the one in charge of getting the snakes huh??? You could start with a pastel male, spider male, any of the co-dom traits. Co-dom means that they are a "visable het" or in other words you take say 2 pastels and breed them together you get pastels, normals, and super pastels..... If you breed a pastel to a normal you get normals and pastels..... hope you got that so far...

After all of that I would then get into the recessives like albino and such. Most co-doms are not as expensive as a lot of recessives, well the lower end co-doms.......

Lastly like JLC said you need to kinda narrow down the question slightly. It would be a lot easier to know what you have to invest right now and how much you would like in return, always expect half of what you want in return.

Breeding snakes is not an over night thing it takes many people their whole lives to do it. It takes even more time to do it well.

That is my .02

yeah that sounds like a good idea, i guess i was wanting an overview of some ideas on a good investment. i dont care bout making money from breeding i have always loved snakes just never really had the opportunity to get into it until now but i was basically wanting to buy a snake that if i did have to sell some of the offspring there would be a market for the ones that i was trying to sell. I dont have bad intentions for them at all im an animal lover and aways have been.

Dude if that's how it would've came out in your first post then I would have never jumped on you like that. And I wouldn't have two infractions to boot lol. Welcome to Bp.net, and enjoy the plethora of information before you.