Proven Breeder?

I see lots of snakes advertised as proven breeders. To me it always seemed like a BS line to make their snake sound better for sale. Boy + Girl should usually = babies eventually right? Do some snakes not like to get it on?

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Originally Posted by donkiez

I see lots of snakes advertised as proven breeders. To me it always seemed like a BS line to make their snake sound better for sale. Boy + Girl should usually = babies eventually right? Do some snakes not like to get it on?

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There are some snakes that have issues with breeding. Either the female becomes eggbound, repeatedly slugs out, or sometimes can die. And then there are just lazy males that wont do what they are supposed to do.

So often a 'proven breeder' is a good thing because if you want to breed chances are that snake will do what its suppose to do without any issues. :gj:

What percentage would you say are trouble breeders? Say if I had 10 random males and 10 random females, how many could I expect to get it on?

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Originally Posted by donkiez

What percentage would you say are trouble breeders? Say if I had 10 random males and 10 random females, how many could I expect to get it on?

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All or none. It all depends. Age and experience play a large role. The younger males tend to be inexperienced and may not always do what they are supposed to when they are supposed to.

And always the younger females that are just barely over the minimum weight can have issues.

But all snakes are prone to slugs, and issues.

I honestly would say everything is a case by case issue, you never know til you try. :gj:

One more question.... Are there any early signs for good breeders? Do good feeders = good breeders? Nippy snakes = good breeders? Just curious to any early signs out there.

Another reason for the "proven breeder" line is to instantly let the potential buyers know that this animal has in fact bred and is big enough to do so, as opposed to say a 3 year old female at 1000 g.
If you're looking for breedable animals, "proven breeder" helps narrow the search...

Chris

The way you need to understand it is virgin versus proven breeder.

Some people are looking for proven breeder while some do not care.

Also because proven or not the is never any guarentee that the animal will breed in YOUR care and/or with YOUR females.

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Originally Posted by martij9

One more question.... Are there any early signs for good breeders? Do good feeders = good breeders? Nippy snakes = good breeders? Just curious to any early signs out there.

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Horny snakes = good breeders :gj:

Chris

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Originally Posted by Deborah

The way you need to understand it is virgin versus proven breeder.

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I'd like to add Virgin Breeders vs Proven Breeders vs Problem Breeders, because there are all sorts out there.

And like Deb said, just because they have bred in the past doesn't always mean that they will for you. Just be prepared and expect the unexpected, breeding will test your patience. :gj:

assuming your a good snake keeper, would you say animals raised by you might be better breeders or more comfortable and ready to breed earlier than some random adult you just picked up?

You might get lucky either way. So long as you do everything 'right' you should get results, but who knows what the snake has in mind.

i think mainly, as some here have already said, "proven breeder" usually means they had a good clutch, little to no slugs, no eggbinding issues, etc... which would indicate a good healthy animal that is able to produce well, as opposed to a first time breeder or an animal that isn't very healthy will usually yeild diff. results.

I've always taken the proven breeder label to mean the girl has had a clutch, and that it's. Nothing implied about what she threw (eggs, vs slugs), or even how many, just that she had a successful clutch.

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Originally Posted by donkiez

assuming your a good snake keeper, would you say animals raised by you might be better breeders or more comfortable and ready to breed earlier than some random adult you just picked up?

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It can take up to a full year for a "proven breeder" or adult female to acclimate to a new environment. More often than not, they will not be receptive to breeding in the same season that you acquire them. Whenever possible, I do prefer to raise my own females from babies.

Keep in mind that each animal is unique, but this is generally the rule, rather than the exception. Just because you pick up a female that should be old enough and large enough to breed in the fall, doesn't mean that she's going to be acclimated enough to go for you that season.

Remeber too, if you buy a female to breed(or a male for that matter), you still have to take it through a quarentine period, which would help it settle in. Then it might breed right away, or it might take longer.

I go by the virgin, proven breeder, problem animal myself. I had one female, bought as proven breeder, and she refused to lay anything. Finally I was about to sell her as a problem breeder, when she laid me 11 eggs(all 11 hatched). Needless to say, she stayed!

Sometimes you do have to be patient with a snake. I have a cinnamon male who STILL hasn't got the idea of breeding down yet. I personally think he's gay.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I've always taken the proven breeder label to mean the girl has had a clutch, and that it's. Nothing implied about what she threw (eggs, vs slugs), or even how many, just that she had a successful clutch.

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A female should not be considered a proven breeder unless she has laid viable eggs that hatched.

I personally would consider anyhting else as misleading, it's one of the things I check when buying.

always questions someones definition of terms like "long term captive" and "proven breeder".

Everyone has their own take and some are frankly rediculous.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

remeber too, if you buy a female to breed(or a male for that matter), you still have to take it through a quarentine period, which would help it settle in. Then it might breed right away, or it might take longer.

I go by the virgin, proven breeder, problem animal myself. I had one female, bought as proven breeder, and she refused to lay anything. Finally i was about to sell her as a problem breeder, when she laid me 11 eggs(all 11 hatched). Needless to say, she stayed!

Sometimes you do have to be patient with a snake. I have a cinnamon male who still hasn't got the idea of breeding down yet. I personally think he's gay.

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gay huh lmao