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  • 05-13-2009, 01:19 PM
    mechnut450
    kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    I havea new friend ( for lack of better info ) that brung me thwir kenya sand boa today they had it about a month and it has yet to eat ( it about 8-10 inches possible and I seen 2 thing wrong on it stuck shed on head and the lowere jaw does not look like it matches up t othe upper jaw as nice like they do in bps, corns and such . the law looks more like my black rat who has had issues all her life and some trouble eating . I am placing it on a damp rag to help it work the shed off it possible and I am wondering as to what they may eat in the wild. this guy looknig a little rough. The owner got it from lll reptiles about a month ago and it has yet to eat he saya. I may have some pinkie asf.andI am comfortable in force feeding if need I don't havea weight righ this second or pictures .. I am gonig ot attempt to get it to eat and the shed off while the owner's in class for the next 4 hours. he getting really worried about it ..
    I will get ap icture of it and post it in a few mintues .
  • 05-13-2009, 01:39 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    here a view of the entier snake
    http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...nyasandboa.jpg


    and once the camera batteries recharge i will post one of the lower jaw
  • 05-13-2009, 04:01 PM
    sg1trogdor
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    once you get a pic of the lower jaw up we will be able to make an educated guess.
  • 05-13-2009, 04:08 PM
    wilomn
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    The lower jaw is inset in the upper jaw.

    It keeps the mouth free of what is being burrowed through.

    Makes them look sort of duckbilled sometimes.
  • 05-13-2009, 04:23 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wilomn View Post
    The lower jaw is inset in the upper jaw.

    It keeps the mouth free of what is being burrowed through.

    Makes them look sort of duckbilled sometimes.


    ok that what it looks like but i did get him to open it and I thinknig it may have a possible case of mouth rot. I removed a lot of white cheese like material and hte snake sat with it jaw open and closing a couple of time . and the tongue does not appear to have the normal split at thend. I know he got the snake from LLL reptiles about a month ago and it has yet to eat.
    The poor little guy just laying on the damp rag and not even trying to go hide ..
    :( I am now keepnig he little guy until after the weekend and if he mouth still producing the white ( puss) I am going to call a vet if possible tomorrow.
  • 05-13-2009, 04:31 PM
    wilomn
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mechnut450 View Post
    ok that what it looks like but i did get him to open it and I thinknig it may have a possible case of mouth rot. I removed a lot of white cheese like material and hte snake sat with it jaw open and closing a couple of time . and the tongue does not appear to have the normal split at thend. I know he got the snake from LLL reptiles about a month ago and it has yet to eat.
    The poor little guy just laying on the damp rag and not even trying to go hide ..
    :( I am now keepnig he little guy until after the weekend and if he mouth still producing the white ( puss) I am going to call a vet if possible tomorrow.

    If you have some betadine swab it aggressively. You need to squeeze all the cheese out then flood it thoroughly.

    Make sure he's got a good heat gradient too, extra heat might be needed and a soaking probably wouldn't hurt.

    lll is just a broker, there is no way of knowing what the snake went through, or didn't, before your friend got it.
  • 05-13-2009, 04:35 PM
    mainbutter
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Another LLL reptiles snakes with health issues.. :(
  • 05-13-2009, 05:14 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    yeah i ftold him that it most likey picked it up there ,and it be up to him what he wants to do. as far a squeezing the puss out my finger bigger around that it i crush the poor thing trying to squeeze.

    The infection ( if I am righ about that ) looks ot be right at the beginfing ( end of the teeth inthe front left side. if he teeht pointed to you.. that area red like it has blood under the skin. Were can I get the betadine swabs?? and do I just rub one over the spot ( daily or 2x aday? ) I never dealt with a infection of this type ( or small size) heck I think if i have ot try and force feed will use rat tailsof about 2 inches to keep him going
  • 05-13-2009, 08:39 PM
    wilomn
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Any drugstore or pharmacy should have betadine.

    Use a Qtip soaked in betadine and just push the cheesy stuff out as best you can. Once a day for three days or so should take care of it.

    Don't try to force feed it yet, it's got good body weight.

    They're tough little snakes, give it some time.
  • 05-13-2009, 08:49 PM
    littleindiangirl
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    You can dip a Qtip in betadine and sort of scrape out the puss and dead skin. Then, hold his head facing downward, and squirt a some betadine rinse over his infected tissue.

    I've diluted the betadine to a dark tea color in water for rinsing, and it's worked well.

    I've heard people saying to use listerine, I advise against this. Listerine burns like a mutha for one, and the betadine will do a better job of cleansing.
  • 05-14-2009, 08:43 AM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    ok I will look today.

    I see are these guy alawy so limp/ lack movement a? this litle guy won't move fast,resist any until I attempt t o mess with the head.

    gpong pt keep him on some aspen so he can bdig around and feel safe some since he not really active like he bps or other snakes .
  • 05-14-2009, 09:30 AM
    Sarin
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    These little guys are super strong... He should be fine since you're obviously doing a good job taking care of him now. We have a Kenyan Sand Boa at work who didn't eat for 17 months and he is just a tiny little thing, maybe 7 or 8 inches. I've gotten him to eat 2 weeks in a row now so there's still hope for your little guy!
  • 05-15-2009, 10:06 AM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    well lafter talking to the owner I am not gladdI got a QT process. the snake came with a mild RI he says. SO all the issues aer most likey that as theye no pus ( he was keeping in a sand mix a first so it most likey that what I removed. and the mouth is drooled sealed again which I cleaned up. I also got the lower jaw pic

    http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...oalowerjaw.jpg

    so I am now extending my 3 snakes qt until the end of july and am going to call and see if I can get the batyil( spelling ? ) anti botics. the little guy lookd like he fine from the top but if you look ad he belly ( can't get a pic pic an hold him too) the areas looks a little caved in and the side are a little loose. like dehydrated. but I see him with the face in the water and looks like he may be drinking ( right now as matter of fact )
  • 05-15-2009, 02:02 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    fyi I did gethe snake to a vet, it does have an RI. I got he batyil ( spelling) fo it e vet saysto put a drop in with a little baby food( strained meat) and force feed it that because it only weighting in at 12 grams. soI am goinot to inject soem into a rat taile and getthat into it gut this afternoon( less messy ) and see how it goes. The vet did remove a mucus glob about the size of a grain of rice (, and I removed more (smaller pieces this morning ) SO it not going to be a great weekend for the little guy if he makes it ..
  • 05-15-2009, 02:06 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    The Vet told you to give your snake baby food?
  • 05-15-2009, 02:11 PM
    stratus_020202
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Good luck to you, and him. Hopefully he pulls through :)
  • 05-15-2009, 03:57 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Patrick Long View Post
    The Vet told you to give your snake baby food?

    yeah he strained meat one , I think they eat every day like a dog lol.. I am gonig tto use a rat tail ft abd inject the batyil inot it I figure about 6 drops worth since the snake so light .
  • 05-15-2009, 04:37 PM
    Patrick Long
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    All I am going to say, is that you dont even know the right name for BaytRil, and your going to feed it to your snake....


    ....just sayin
  • 05-15-2009, 04:55 PM
    Rakk101
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mechnut450 View Post
    yeah he strained meat one , I think they eat every day like a dog lol.. I am gonig tto use a rat tail ft abd inject the batyil inot it I figure about 6 drops worth since the snake so light .

    Maybe I miss understand but the vet should have told you how much Baytril to give the snake, this post sounds like you are sort of guessing how much to give it.

    If he did not give you a dosage I would call him back and ask his opinion.
  • 05-15-2009, 05:09 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    the vet said one drop with the baby food , and to feed every day. I thinknig if I fed this snake everyday I end up drowning it in baby food cause it would not get a chance to digest at all. so a couple drops in a rat tail would be the same dose over a weekend. My spelling for lack of bettewr words suck I try to spell the word of the top of my head with out taking time to look them up .
  • 05-15-2009, 05:27 PM
    mooingtricycle
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    you SERIOUSLY need to find a COMPETENT herp vet that can administer the antibiotics for this snake correctly!!! DO NOT attempt this stuff by yourself, especially if you have little experience dealing with sick snakes.
  • 05-15-2009, 05:31 PM
    Repsrul
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    :confused: I am so :dizzy: right now. OK let see, I have a head ache the labels says take two every 6 hours if pain persists. Well I really want my headache to go away quicker so let me take 10 and maybe that will work. Maybe it will if you don't want to have a pulse anymore. You just can't change the dose of medication. If the vet told you one drop then don't change it to umm 6? If what the vet told you does not sound right(a sand boa eating baby food) then get a second opinion.
  • 05-15-2009, 05:47 PM
    wilomn
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Ok guys, here's the poop.

    This is a rescue and the guy is here for advice. It's not a pet he got and doesn't know how to take care of.

    Baytril, as with any antibiotic, must be taken consistently over a set amount of time to work effectively.

    6 drops in one day isn't going to cut it.

    The meat babyfood is perfectly acceptable as a medium to deliver baytril. Having the proper tools is what is lacking here.

    You need a lavage (?) needle, not really a needle as it isn't pointed but rounded on the end, which you can then attach to a syringe to give the babyfood/baytril mix. I'm guessing but maybe .5cc per day.

    The good thing about baytril is that it is hard to overdose with it. Your snake with excrete it when it urinates.

    Bird stores, the ones that breed their own baby birds, carry the lavage, they use them for feeding the baby birds. There are a goodly number of sizes so don't get one too large in gauge or short in length.
  • 05-15-2009, 06:12 PM
    Rakk101
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mechnut450 View Post
    the vet said one drop with the baby food , and to feed every day. I thinknig if I fed this snake everyday I end up drowning it in baby food cause it would not get a chance to digest at all. so a couple drops in a rat tail would be the same dose over a weekend. My spelling for lack of bettewr words suck I try to spell the word of the top of my head with out taking time to look them up .

    I am not picking on your wording or anything like that, I mistype things all the time. I hope everything works out for you with this little guy, Wilomn knows what he is talking about take his advice on this one. Good luck:gj:
  • 05-15-2009, 06:16 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    well I can say this I got him to eat, almost taking off in the process I offered it a mouse tail which I tried to inject ( not even .5cc) of the meds into (got a couple diabtic 1/2cc instulan needle( new) and I put about 4 units in the needle and then injected the the tail ( only got about 1 unit) total out some of it came right back out the injection site.)

    anyhow the snake injested the tail and while working it down attempted to run off ( main concern was not eating and the fact I find out after it was dropped off it had a RI ) the little guy will do better with the meal I gave it since the baby food could ( with my luck) leak into the lungs if I forced too much into the snake.That why I injected the meds into the tail. I have no business trying to inject the med into the snake on my own( too hevay handed for such a small snake) I not a vet or a person that would attempt to do a vet work. I am just working with what I was given and looking into doing the best I can for a snake that may not make it if not for my attempt(s). As it stands right now i am out of the money it cost to take the snake to the vet and such, if the person decides they want the snake back.

    As said before in when I joined I do the reptile rescue(s) as a hobby I don't have a job to support this hobby (outside of cuting a few yards ) which is mostly for exerise and to help out a bunch of the local eldery I know ( they don't have any business out pushing a mower in 90+ degree weather ). out of what little money I do make with this and a few other odd jobs has to cover all my reptile supllies, and any other expenses I get ( like vet cost for rescued snakes). My disablity money is stric kly gone to house bills and such.

    example: if I make say 2 grand cutting all summer. that got o cover any mowing expense, all the rodent cost, reptile supplies, fuel to do rescues, any possible vet cost form such rescues, I have to add money to the electric bill since the reptiles care cause itto go up. and if I happen to decide I want a book or some thing else there that cost too. ( the personal part is always last).


    If you really want to get mad about something it should be the fact that people get rid of snakes like this whe nthey get sick and are not willnig ot put the money out for the vet and just get rid of them. I am currently housing 19 snakes andoutside of the het and morphs I personally own , that 11 snakes in my care that were abandonedbecause they became a hassle to care for., or an extrea expense they chosed to place on another.
  • 05-15-2009, 07:25 PM
    wilomn
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mechnut450 View Post


    If you really want to get mad about something it should be the fact that people get rid of snakes like this whe nthey get sick and are not willnig ot put the money out for the vet and just get rid of them. I am currently housing 19 snakes andoutside of the het and morphs I personally own , that 11 snakes in my care that were abandonedbecause they became a hassle to care for., or an extrea expense they chosed to place on another.

    A word of caution.

    There will come a time when you cannot take in any more rescues either because of space or money. When you reach that point, stop. Take good care of what you have, adopt them out, then get more.

    Don't be one of those hoarders we read about.
  • 05-15-2009, 07:40 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    eah I am at that point I wantot get theses guys straight and made sure they got a clean health and then get them out the door. I got 4 corns that I hopingot get gone now people keepsaying they want them and they will come by but not seen are heard from them since.
    ( what sucks I still got corn eggs that are due to hatch end of the month.
  • 05-16-2009, 06:18 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    well an update of sorts
    the little guy has shed today ( with some help) he had it stuck arounf thehed from were it didn not come off the last time and the yellow belly are is now white, the only thing I find odd was there was a smell to him while shedding the skin. I not sure if this ids common or not. but it a little funky..
    I also see him drinking a lot of water is this normal ? he drinking more often than my bps do..
  • 05-16-2009, 08:09 PM
    wilomn
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    He may have musked when you were helping him shed. It's stinky.

    I wouldn't worry about him drinking a lot, he won't over do it.

    Try to make sure his nostrils are clear and the skin is off his labial scales, around his mouth.

    Sounds like he's getting a little more strength.
  • 05-17-2009, 09:40 AM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    took a while bit i goth e stuck shed off (from previse time the little did get a complete shed this stime since i helped, i bet if hit could i gotten either bit or crapped on for the help.
    lol
  • 05-23-2009, 07:22 AM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    things are looking up right now, the mliitle guy active of a night, moving around and drinking water like there no tomorrow. still not inerested in eating ( when I offer a pinkie asf ) so I guessing force feeding tails still a must :( I don't like the weight of only 12 grams he got ( that with one tail force feeding)
  • 06-04-2009, 10:48 PM
    mechnut450
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    well a final update on the little guy..
    It 100% great shape , it gotten a clean bill from the vet, has shed ( again) and as of today ate on it own( looks like me after thanksgiving dinner 4 sizes too big for my pants) it ate a pinkie asf some point today, I offer the littlguy the pinkie and forgot about it since my leg been a roayal pain, I may have broken a bone or torn som cart ( the doctor thinks) I messed it up 2 weeks ago and it still giving me a lot of pain and giving out ( dropping me to the floor ) so I finally got talked into going to the doctor and get it looked at, go tomorrow for an xray( if nothing shows then a mri will be done) the DOc says that either are possible with me and for it to be bothering me this long there is something wrong with it .. I was taking 2 darveisets (spelling) 3-4 time a day with no relief. I have a high pain limit so the Doc knows I not faking it. Got me on the next stronger med and it not seemingot help.:tears:

    I bet a bottle of jack and a couple pericets andi bee in no pain, then again I not be walking or talknig too much I be in a drugged stuper with drool running down my chin lol
  • 06-04-2009, 11:00 PM
    GoFride
    Re: kenya sand boa need info and piccs for the lower jaw
    Glad to hear the little guy's going to be OK - now please take care of yourself!
    Hope you recover quickly from whatever's going on - keep us posted.

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