Do lemon pastels fade out the same way normal pastels do?

I've been going through the Kingsnake Classifieds every day looking for a decent priced morph. Not much luck, hehe, most high-quality morphs are out of my price range.

Anyways, I saw some nice-looking lemon pastel babies of decent prices. However, I really don't want them to fade out like normal pastels. Are lemons any different?

Lemons generally keep their color pretty well. I'll look to see if I have a pic of a baby lemon with an adult. Think I have a pic of a future pairing somewhere....

Here's my adult male with a young female lemon (together for pics only) I think he has held his color pretty well as he's pushing 2yrs old.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...t/GEDC1841.jpg
Breeding with normal female
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...08snakes-1.jpg

If you want and animal that won't fade you need to find one that is a screamer when its young. Bright yellows, the brighter the better. Here's my lemon. Couple of pics from oldest to newest....

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...o/000_0053.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...o/000_0081.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...o/100_2317.jpg

Edit: The third picture his head looks funny, little patch of missing scales from a shed. In the 3rd picture he's 3 1/2 years old.

That's a smokin lemon, Rich!

Thank you sir, your guy ain't to shabby himself and taking care of business no less! :)

Thanks, Rich. He's all about takin care of business:)

Thanks, guys! Those are some amazing snakes!

What do you think of these? (I'd want the male.) Nowhere near as bright as yours, but they've got some nice colors.
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=681896

If you are serious about wanting a really nice Lemon Pastel, I would contact Andy at NERD and see if he has anything. There are lots of breeders here who may have some avail. Maybe post a wanted ad in the classifieds?
The ones in the ad are attractive snakes for sure, but since you seem to want it to hold color I would look elsewhere. That's just my opionion though. If you really like the snakes then go for it!:)

The snakes in the ad are nice, but in my opionion any pastel that has a lot of brown/orange along the back will eventually brown out more than a snake that was nice and bright when it was young. I also paid higher than market value for my snake, quality comes at a price.

Those are already browned. Here's my adult male (at 2 years old) and one of his daughters:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ston/Winny.jpg

Here's the daughter at 10 months old - his son is equally as nice:

http://leon2ky.com/leon/trip_to_robi...robins_001.jpg
http://leon2ky.com/leon/trip_to_robi...robins_002.jpg
http://leon2ky.com/leon/trip_to_robi...robins_003.jpg

Those are amazing, Robin!

:eyepoppin Where was the sunglasses warning?? I know what's on my early christmas list. :)

To be fair there are great examples of all the pastel lines. You just need to look long enough and find a breeder thats big into their selective breeding for the desired look you want in an animal.

I immediately think of Albey when I think of amazing pastels. He works with the Graziani line and they are gorgeous as well.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=83138

Thanks! I'll look into some nicer ones.

Robin, those are some amazing snakes!!

also, when you use kingsnake, you may already be aware but make sure that the snake pictured is the snake for sale. They could show a GREAT looking pastel but then ship you a very browned one and say they were just posting an example of what they were selling....like i said, you may already know this, but just makin sure =P

Good point.

Try Rusty Balls, i just got a female from them, not bad. They have a killer male breeder.

Hmm, looking at these pictures of adult lemon pastels...I'm starting to think SunSpot (the rescued pastel) might be a lemon! He still has amazing color and he's nearly 2 years old! Man...wouldn't that be something. :D

Any pastel can brown out. I would buy the snake, not the line. Lemons can have nice coloration but not all are the same quality

I agree with what other people have said. Buy the individual snake and not the line. For example, I have a male pastel, pictured first, who has browned out along his spine. Second, I have a female Pastel that hasn't browned out much at all. They are both from different lines, with the female being more 'blonde' in color than the male.

Male around 300 grams:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...astelHeart.jpg

Male now (850 grams):
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...lbum/PB1-1.jpg

Female around 500 grams:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...um/Banana9.jpg

Female now (1250 grams):
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...m/Banana-1.jpg

Notice that the male had a lot more brown along his spine as a baby than the female.

Wow! Very nice snakes!

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Originally Posted by waltah!

that's a smokin lemon, rich!

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i agree