A couple of dinkers....

Here are two girls i've been holding onto. I had to get them out this evening, thought you guys might enjoy some pictures. They are normals, nothing fantastically super, but they are pretty girls.

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture109.jpg
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture111.jpg
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture110.jpg


http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture112.jpg
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture113.jpg
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/t...Picture114.jpg


and finally, comparing to the possible pastel with belly burns that make it impossible to tell from a belly shot....

http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/t...cture097-1.jpg

yellow belly pix in a day or two, while i was feeding some others, he came out with an extreme "where's mine!?!?" expression. he downed a small adult mouse :), so pix after he's had a couple of days to digest.

oh, and just to note the "pastel" was a rescue, i got her from a guy who had been using a heat rock for a year, and she'd not eaten for 5 months (was very small for her age too). she's now eating 2-3 mice a week, total pig! the scars are going to be there for a loooong time though :(.

That last one is definitely interesting. Is it a paradox, or are those black areas due to the burn?

It doesn't really look pastel to me, but definitely a very pretty snake.

With as much trauma as she has endured, I think she is going to look quite a bit different, but she does not look like a pastel, and I don't see that getting proven out any time with as much as she's had to go through. :/

Do you have a belly pic? Any markings along the ventral scales rule out pastel.

Nice dinkers BTW!

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Originally Posted by kc261

That last one is definitely interesting. Is it a paradox, or are those black areas due to the burn?

It doesn't really look pastel to me, but definitely a very pretty snake.

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the black lines are burns :(. all the burns are healed, but are some very nasty scars. i can't imagine this girl going through that for a year....

it doesn't look like a normal pastel to me either, more like a super with jungle pattern. there's blushing on her sides, but not the top area (except for one spot), and i can't really tell from the belly, as the black scars run across; i can't tell if some of the black is genetic color or scar tissue (probably the latter).

we will be breeding her to see what happens :).

That last one is a beauty. I'm glad she's in good hands now. I like the one above her too. She has a nice light color to her. Great pics!!

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

With as much trauma as she has endured, I think she is going to look quite a bit different, but she does not look like a pastel, and I don't see that getting proven out any time with as much as she's had to go through. :/

Do you have a belly pic? Any markings along the ventral scales rule out pastel.

Nice dinkers BTW!

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no, no belly shot; she's digesting too, and i'm not wanting to disturb her too much (she's doing really well, gaining weight, i don't want to mess that up by handling her too much...). however, there ARE marks along the belly, but i can't tell if it's normal coloration or scars (she's got SOOOO much scarring it's hard to see where the pattern starts and stops.

i don't really see what you mean as far as proving it out.... she'll be around for a long time, and will probably breed next year.

and i agree, she does not look like a normal pastel. more like a super with jungle pattern, as seen in NERD's gallery.

whether she is or is not, she's got an awesome color/pattern, and i'm interested to see what she produces :).

I'm saying, I personally would have concerns about breeding a girl with so much scar tissue.

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

That last one is a beauty. I'm glad she's in good hands now. I like the one above her too. She has a nice light color to her. Great pics!!

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thank you! i like the light colored one too, kinda platinumish (color, not morph).

she was a lot lighter than her siblings, i can't wait to see her all grown up :).

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I'm saying, I personally would have concerns about breeding a girl with so much scar tissue.

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i'm not. she's healed well, the scarring isn't tough and rigid, and she is growing (sorry for lack of size comparison shot). it'll be a year and a half before she breed. just like any kids, scars won't keep them from growing :p.

now, if she'd shown any signs of internal damage (which would have probably resulted in death long before i got to her), it'd be a different story. as the burns are superficial, i highly doubt it will present a problem for future breeding.

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Originally Posted by Ben Biscy

i'm not. she's healed well, the scarring isn't tough and rigid, and she is growing (sorry for lack of size comparison shot). it'll be a year and a half before she breed. just like any kids, scars won't keep them from growing :p.

now, if she'd shown any signs of internal damage (which would have probably resulted in death long before i got to her), it'd be a different story. as the burns are superficial, i highly doubt it will present a problem for future breeding.

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I more or less think she was trying to get at the fact that scar tissue doesn't expand the same way normal tissue does, so were she to become gravid her mid section wouldn't be able to expand as normally or as easily and could cause her further distress and/or complications.

I honestly don't see the pastel in her either. But nonetheless she is very thankful for your rescuing of her that is for sure! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I more or less think she was trying to get at the fact that scar tissue doesn't expand the same way normal tissue does, so were she to become gravid her mid section wouldn't be able to expand as normally or as easily and could cause her further distress and/or complications.

I honestly don't see the pastel in her either. But nonetheless she is very thankful for your rescuing of her that is for sure! :gj:

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i understand that part, but as i said; all children grow through their scars. she's young and small, and will be healing more and more with every shed. by the time she's 3' longer, the scars will be spotty and spacey, and will not resemble the horrible marks that they are now. just like when you burn yourself on the oven, it leaves a mark, a nasty scar at first, and a year later it's hardly noticeable..... this will always be noticeable, but will also continue to heal. the scars stretch for feeding, after all... :)

thank you for posting! i'm glad she's out of hexx too!!




here's a question; if she's not a pastel, what IS she? obviously WAY too yellow and bright to be a normal, and the pattern is a jungle type... pictured against normals it almost looks like another breed o.0.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

scar tissue doesn't expand the same way normal tissue does, so were she to become gravid her mid section wouldn't be able to expand as normally or as easily and could cause her further distress and/or complications.

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just a side note; don't tell that to mothers with stretch marks planning to have another child :P.

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Originally Posted by Ben Biscy

just a side note; don't tell that to mothers with stretch marks planning to have another child :P.

:salute:

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Stretch marks aren't scars, and comparing the scales and elasticity of a snake skin to a child is not comparing apples to apples.

If it were me, I would get a vet opinion when she's breeding weight before considering breeding her.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Stretch marks aren't scars, and comparing the scales and elasticity of a snake skin to a child is not comparing apples to apples.

If it were me, I would get a vet opinion when she's breeding weight before considering breeding her.

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scales aren't the only part of a snake's skin, rather the "feathers", if you will... snakes are able to consume items larger than their girth, and their skin has evolved to be very elastic. when a snake eats a large meal, you can see the skin in between scales. breeding is similar, but possibly, if not probably less taxing on how much stretching is done.

skin scars rarely present a problem for something like that. if they did, most burned snakes would die of starvation. i'm not being cynical, just truthful. i really don't believe there will be a problem breeding this snake after it grows to be 10x larger than it is now. i wouldn't be planning to breed this season, as she won't be anywhere close to proper size by then.

i appreciate the concern, but a year and a half is a long time. you might be surprised of how well things heal and adapt. nature is a wonderful and mysterious thing :). i have an adopted dog who had a severely broken leg that could not be fixed by veterinary care. their opinion was to severe the leg.

we splinted the dog, checked her twice daily, and 6 weeks later she was running on all four's!

animals will shock you when it comes to resilience and the ability to bounce back from impossible odds :).

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Originally Posted by Ben Biscy

here's a question; if she's not a pastel, what IS she? obviously WAY too yellow and bright to be a normal, and the pattern is a jungle type... pictured against normals it almost looks like another breed o.0.

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Normals vary a LOT! She's not too bright to be a normal by any means. She has a nice pattern that reminds me of a pastel, but I've seen other normals (and had one) with the same kind of pattern. The stress may have affected her coloration also. I had a female that lost a lot of her yellow in a shed after switching her to a different rack - she looked axanthic and the brown areas were very light. After a few more sheds, she was back to normal. I know some other people have had this happen, too. Regardless, she is a pretty snake.

Is the second snake a rescue, too?

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Originally Posted by aahmn

Is the second snake a rescue, too?

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the second is a recent addition. as she was bundled loose in a box with 15 or so others, i'd have to say yes. :)

that first female reminds me of my male that i have here. except he has a white comming up the sides(like whited out belly) and a black back.