Is it even a corn snake?

The picture is a snake that I saw for sale, but I can't identify it. They are calling it a corn snake, but I have never seen one with the colors that it has. Can anyone identify it?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...c6fc821310.jpg

Thanks
Red

The head is off, it isn't a Corn Snake. Looks more like a Rat Snake, probably a Yellow Rat (Elaphe obsoleta quadrivittata).

Looks like some sort of hybrid.

Doesn't appear to have the striping of a yellow rat, I call hybrid as well.

You should ask the guy for better pictures. Also, a close-up of the head.

They say that it is a corn snake, that they got from a private breeder. Here are more pictures. The first pic is a younger pic. What morph do you think?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...d/DSCN4479.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Picture020.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Picture022.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Picture021.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Picture023.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Picture024.jpg

Best,
Red

I'd still go with not a pure corn. The head scales don't look right. Looks like some everglades in there.

The first snake doesn't even look like the other pics - one has saddles and the rest are striped. I still vote no for corn. The first one says hybrid to me, the 2nd looks like it could be a yellow rat.

Yea, those are two different snakes or i'm losing my mind. The second pic is a striped something or other... Can they lose their ladder patterns??

The first reminds me of an eastern milk just because of the head, it's not the same sort of pattern exactly, but I would say that it's not a milk.

Yeah the first pic is definately not the same snake.... I dont know what either of them are...

It appears to be the same snake to me. If you look at the second adult picture, you can see the same patterning. Certain snakes change (fade) pattern and color as they mature; most Rat snakes do.

I'd say it's either a Yellow Rat or a hybrid Yellow Rat.

I see a lot of what appears to be feces in that cage too.

I thought the same thing about the first pick not being the same snake. They are adamant about the fact that the first pick was taken as a juvenile and the rest are current. Being that it probably isn't a pure corn, I am going to steer clear of this one. Thanks for all of your replies.

Best,
Red

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

It appears to be the same snake to me. If you look at the second adult picture, you can see the same patterning. Certain snakes change (fade) pattern and color as they mature; most Rat snakes do.

I'd say it's either a Yellow Rat or a hybrid Yellow Rat.

I see a lot of what appears to be feces in that cage too.

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They can fade, but I don't think any go from having saddles to being striped. There is no way those are the same two snakes.

The first snake is most definitely not the same snake as in the other pictures. The rest of the pictures do look like the same, but not the first. And neither of those snakes appear to be 100% corns. For me, that would throw up a red flag. You may not be getting what you think you're getting. If you like either snake and don't mind that it isn't a pure corn, then that's a different story. But if you want a corn snake, I'd recommend looking somewhere else. When I was looking for a corn snake, I contacted these people and all were very nice and helpful, even though I did not end up buying from them in the end.

http://www.jonigarcia.com/
http://www.corn-utopia.com/
http://mikescornsnakes.tripod.com/

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

It appears to be the same snake to me. If you look at the second adult picture, you can see the same patterning. Certain snakes change (fade) pattern and color as they mature; most Rat snakes do.

I'd say it's either a Yellow Rat or a hybrid Yellow Rat.

I see a lot of what appears to be feces in that cage too.

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I do see what your saying, the saddles are still there in the later pics, but very light. Just barely discernible in this pic.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Picture021.jpg

I think some people that are saying it is not the same snake may be making an assumption based on the fact that striped corns hatch striped...they don't get striped because their saddles fade out with time. But apparently yellow rat snakes do undergo a change like that. I goggled and found quite a few pics & descriptions. Here are links to some of the better ones:

Look at the juvie yellow rat snake pictured about half way down the page:
http://www.southalley.com/album_rat.html

Here is an adult:
http://www.scserp.com/SCSPhotoGaller...atSnake001.JPG

So I am inclined to believe it is the same snake. Definitely not a corn though.

ya deff not a corn looks like a rat snake to me

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Originally Posted by redmantodd

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...Picture022.jpg

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Look in the background of the picture. It is the same snake, no doubt about it. You can clearly see the "saddles". :)

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Look in the background of the picture. It is the same snake, no doubt about it. You can clearly see the "saddles". :)

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Good eye!

To me there's definitely a strong influence of Everglades in there. As for Rat snakes developing their saddles to stripes, Bairds, Yellows, everglades all demonstrate this beautifully.

Here's my Mexican Bairds.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...snake005-1.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...atsnake023.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...snake007-1.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...atsnake011.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/100_1160.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/100_1466.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/100_1468.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...e/100_1472.jpg