Kinky the mojave

Hey ,

So i decided to get another ball python and was looking for a nice mojave and i think i found him . He is a proven breeder and also pos het hypo but there is one thing , he has a kink . Now this dont matter to me at all as he breeds , eats and sheds fine and in my opinion i got him for a VERY good price :gj:

He is on hold at the moment and im sending off my deposit on tuesday and then will be collecting him when my 6 adult breedable females arrive *im getting these from the same breeder im getting him off and they are coming in on a shipment from the usa*

Anyway here he is .. meet .. kinky the mojave lol

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/v...90/Mojave2.jpg

^ picture taken by dave davis of welsh reptile breeder .. top bloke and he produces stunning animals .

Thanks

Bb

Very nice looking.

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Originally Posted by python1024

Very nice looking.

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Thanks for looking :)

Bb

sweet mojo! im sure he will pair nice with one of those females.

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Originally Posted by gu1do24

sweet mojo! im sure he will pair nice with one of those females.

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Thanks dude , Its a shame about the kink but my thoughts on it where it does not take away the fact he is a good looking mojave in my opinion *the color of him* and he should make some nice baby's , its just a shame he has the kink .

Also a bit more info on him , he is around 700g and pos het for hypo *thats just a added bonus* and the breeder has also told me his father is related to the original snake keeper hypo mojave .

Thanks

Bb

I noticed that you're from the UK and the breeder is from the US, the mojave looks nice enough, but I'm curious about why you'd buy a kinked male when you're probably already paying a premium price for cites paper work and overseas shipping?

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I noticed that you're from the UK and the breeder is from the US, the mojave looks nice enough, but I'm curious about why you'd buy a kinked male when you're probably already paying a premium price for cites paper work and overseas shipping?

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Hey ,

Sorry i did not word it too well . The breeder is from the uk and this mojave is at his facility but the 6 adult females i am getting , they are coming in on a shipment he is getting from the usa . Adult females are hard to get over here in the uk especially at breeding weights . Im having to wait until the females come in before i can collect as he is about a 5hr drive from me

Thanks

Bb

Nice:)

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Originally Posted by Kysenia

Nice:)

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Thanks :gj:

Bb

He's very pretty, but myself, I wouldn't breed a kinked snake. I know.. some kinks are just from incubator malfunctions, etc. I just wince at the idea.
Are the morphs extremely hard to get in the UK?

He looks nice. I hope that the kink is not inheritable, and he passes it on to his offspring.

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Originally Posted by wh00h0069

he looks nice. I hope that the kink is not inheritable, and he passes it on to his offspring.

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x2!!

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

He's very pretty, but myself, I wouldn't breed a kinked snake. I know.. some kinks are just from incubator malfunctions, etc. I just wince at the idea.
Are the morphs extremely hard to get in the UK?

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Hey ,

Erm you can get alot of the different morphs over here in the uk but i would say the usa is a bit ahead of us in the b.p market . The price is a bit higher over here . To be fair , yes i could have got a nice baby mojave for the price i got him but he will fit into my breeding plans better , plus he is a proven breeder and pos het for extreme hypo . Also the breeder i have got him from said he would be amazed if it was genetic and said if it was i would get a refund .

Thanks for looking in :)

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

He looks nice. I hope that the kink is not inheritable, and he passes it on to his offspring.

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Hey ,

Thanks , if by any chance it was .. i would get a full refund on the animal from the breeder . He has used him to breed and everything has gone fine as i understand .

Take care

Bb

Very nice looking mojave, hope he proves out for you! Congrats :)

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Originally Posted by southernboagurl

Very nice looking mojave, hope he proves out for you! Congrats :)

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Hey ,

Thanks for looking , i dont think ill ever try to prove him out .. him being pos extreme hypo is just a bonus really lol

Bb

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Originally Posted by Big.Balls

Hey ,

Thanks for looking , i dont think ill ever try to prove him out .. him being pos extreme hypo is just a bonus really lol

Bb

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So did you purchase him just for a pet then?? I guess I'm a little confused, I thought you purchased him hoping that he's a poss hypo so that you could breed and prove him out.

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Originally Posted by southernboagurl

So did you purchase him just for a pet then?? I guess I'm a little confused, I thought you purchased him hoping that he's a poss hypo so that you could breed and prove him out.

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No not as a pet , he will be going to just normal females . Im not thinking about proving him out to be honest . I think he a good looking mojave with the potential to make some stunning babies .

Bb

i dont know even if it was incubator malfunction i personally wouldnt breed a kinked snake. that mojo though is amazing

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Originally Posted by Monty

i dont know even if it was incubator malfunction i personally wouldnt breed a kinked snake. that mojo though is amazing

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Thanks for looking in ,

The breeder has said he would be amazed if it was genetic and i have full trust in him , if it is i get a refund . As long as the babies that he produces dont have kinks ect then i see no problem .

Bb

i wish you luck i hope he works out for you.

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Originally Posted by Monty

i wish you luck i hope he works out for you.

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Thank you Monty much appreciated

Bb

Nice Mojave and good luck but I can honestly say you will lose business because your breeder male has a kink....especially if you're letting everyone know that he does. Why breed an imperfect animal hoping that the kink isn't genetic when you could find a perfect animal that looks pretty much the same and not have to think....well maybe it won't be genetic? I just don't understand it but good luck....

He's a great looking Mojo, but there is no way I'd breed a kinked BP. I'm sure the breeder said it wasn't genetic:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Luke Martin

Nice Mojave and good luck but I can honestly say you will lose business because your breeder male has a kink....especially if you're letting everyone know that he does. Why breed an imperfect animal hoping that the kink isn't genetic when you could find a perfect animal that looks pretty much the same and not have to think....well maybe it won't be genetic? I just don't understand it but good luck....

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Hey Luke ,

Firstly thanks for looking in . If the babies produced where perfect in every way i don't feel id loose business because of the kinked mojave as that would prove it is not genetic , if by the off chance it is then i would be getting a full refund and the babies would be kept here with me or sold for a fair price and id hope they would be kept as pets . The breeder has bred him before and has eggs from him cooking at the moment , i don't think he would breed him if he thought it would be at all genetic .

Thanks again .

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Originally Posted by Slim

He's a great looking Mojo, but there is no way I'd breed a kinked BP. I'm sure the breeder said it wasn't genetic:rolleyes:

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Hello Slim ,

Yes the breeder said he would be amazed if it was genetic and that is why he has offered a refund if it turns out to be . He has also got eggs from him , i feel the breeder is more than sure it is not genetic as if it was i don't see why he would sell me a BP , then have to give me a refund later on down the line and then have to deal with kinked babies that he would of produced .

Thanks

Bb

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Originally Posted by Big.Balls

Hey ,

Thanks , if by any chance it was .. i would get a full refund on the animal from the breeder . He has used him to breed and everything has gone fine as i understand .

Take care

Bb

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That's good to hear. It is possible that the kink came from incorrect incubation temps, or even an injury.

Does it matter if its kinked or not its a great looking snakes, and if it does everything fine like any normal snake,nothing should be wrong in it. Its by judgeing a book its cover, What if a person had an enlarged bump on his body,would you outcast him,just because he is diffrent? If he is to be treated right and kept in a normal human life why can't the snake be in a normal captive life.

I don't get why you wants this snake...

The breding season is over and you can get a 08 or 09 Animal for at good price and get it readey for next season and you got a good helthey animal..

What you are doing is just not right... deformed animals shluld not be used to bred...

i say don't dont put the guy down till something happens and if it does prove to have been an incubation thing then congrats to him for having the nicest mojaves ive ever seen

First of all, Stunning looking Mojo... For a PET. I would never breed a kinked or imperfect animal that could possibly be genetic...

Second of all, WHY would you buy 6 females to breed that Mojo with?? What happens if all those clutches turn out to be kinked??? Sure he said he'd refund you for the Mojo, but not for waisted time and effort with your 6 kinked clutches...

I think you'd be better off to rethink your "breeding plan". The one you have now is a recipe for disaster.

Get an 08 Butter or Lesser male instead. They are far superior to a Mojo with better Lucys. Spend a few hundred extra now for a far better breeding plan...

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Originally Posted by Vibrant Balls

First of all, Stunning looking Mojo... For a PET. I would never breed a kinked or imperfect animal that could possibly be genetic...

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Ditto.

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Originally Posted by whitesnake12

Does it matter if its kinked or not its a great looking snakes, and if it does everything fine like any normal snake,nothing should be wrong in it. Its by judgeing a book its cover, What if a person had an enlarged bump on his body,would you outcast him,just because he is diffrent? If he is to be treated right and kept in a normal human life why can't the snake be in a normal captive life.

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It's not about shunning him because he's different. It's about trying to minimize problems in the genetic pool we are all dipping into with our captive ball python breeding.

I understand what you're saying but regardless....an imperfect animal to a perfect animal CAN produce messed up babies. Who's to say it will show up in the first generation of babies? Say the first year you get perfect babies but then those babies breed and produce kinked babies...there's no way you could provide refunds for as many mojaves as you plan to produce with this one kinked animal. And of course someone who is trying to sell a kinked animal would say they'd be surprised its genetic...they're trying to get rid of it! If he said oh I think it may be genetic would you have bought it? I think not. It's called morals and integrity...a messed up animal should not breed...simple as that. It's obvious people have become even more consumed with money than the health of their snakes...

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Big.Balls

Hello Slim ,

Yes the breeder said he would be amazed if it was genetic and that is why he has offered a refund if it turns out to be . He has also got eggs from him , i feel the breeder is more than sure it is not genetic as if it was i don't see why he would sell me a BP , then have to give me a refund later on down the line and then have to deal with kinked babies that he would of produced .

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Well, the refund was a great offer from the breeder, but if you produce kinked offspring, that refund won't help those little kinked BPs.

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Originally Posted by whitesnake12

Does it matter if its kinked or not its a great looking snakes, and if it does everything fine like any normal snake,nothing should be wrong in it. Its by judgeing a book its cover, What if a person had an enlarged bump on his body,would you outcast him,just because he is diffrent? If he is to be treated right and kept in a normal human life why can't the snake be in a normal captive life.

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Comparing a kinked BP to a person with a bump on their body is apples and oranges.

No one is telling him to stick this BP in a dark closet somewhere. He is just being urged not to breed it. Breeding defective animals is a bad idea no matter what your ethical veiw of it is.

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Originally Posted by snake-zone.dk

I don't get why you wants this snake...

The breding season is over and you can get a 08 or 09 Animal for at good price and get it readey for next season and you got a good helthey animal..

What you are doing is just not right... deformed animals shluld not be used to bred...

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So breeding a 'deformed' animal which was caused by incubation temps and no indication of it being genetic is in your words 'is just not right' ? , If the babies are all healthy and fine i see no problem in it as long as it does not harm the animal .

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Originally Posted by Monty

i say don't dont put the guy down till something happens and if it does prove to have been an incubation thing then congrats to him for having the nicest mojaves ive ever seen

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Cheers Monty .

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Originally Posted by Vibrant Balls

First of all, Stunning looking Mojo... For a PET. I would never breed a kinked or imperfect animal that could possibly be genetic...

Second of all, WHY would you buy 6 females to breed that Mojo with?? What happens if all those clutches turn out to be kinked??? Sure he said he'd refund you for the Mojo, but not for waisted time and effort with your 6 kinked clutches...

I think you'd be better off to rethink your "breeding plan". The one you have now is a recipe for disaster.

Get an 08 Butter or Lesser male instead. They are far superior to a Mojo with better Lucys. Spend a few hundred extra now for a far better breeding plan...

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I did not buy 6 females to breed the mojave with , I'm not sure where you got that from ? . I have a spider and a pastel that will also be used to breed . The mojo will go to 1-2 females and thats it .

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Originally Posted by Luke Martin

I understand what you're saying but regardless....an imperfect animal to a perfect animal CAN produce messed up babies. Who's to say it will show up in the first generation of babies? Say the first year you get perfect babies but then those babies breed and produce kinked babies...there's no way you could provide refunds for as many mojaves as you plan to produce with this one kinked animal. And of course someone who is trying to sell a kinked animal would say they'd be surprised its genetic...they're trying to get rid of it! If he said oh I think it may be genetic would you have bought it? I think not. It's called morals and integrity...a messed up animal should not breed...simple as that. It's obvious people have become even more consumed with money than the health of their snakes...

Good luck!

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I get what your saying but why would the breeder use him to breed himself if he thought it would be genetic ? , it just would not make sense . He would be stuck with a load of kinked babies , then me wanting a refund , he would get no gain from it at all .

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Originally Posted by Slim

Well, the refund was a great offer from the breeder, but if you produce kinked offspring, that refund won't help those little kinked BPs. .

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Fair enough mate . If there was kinked babies and to be honest i dont think there will be and nor does the breeder , then i would keep them and do what was needed .

Thanks for all the comments ,

Bb