Axanthic Super Pastel Spider (Killer Bee Axanthic)

So. I've looked through morphs, ooooh'd and awwwwe'd, and have finally decided that my favorite is the Killer Bee Axanthic. I'm just starting to look at the genetics, so I'd like some help, please.

I know that Killer Bees are Bumblebee + Pastel, so, to get Axanthic Killers, would you need a Bumblebee het Axanthic + Pastel Axanthic?

I'm assuming to get Pastel Axanthics, you breed Pastel + Axanthic.

How do you get Bumblebees het for Axanthic? Or would you just breed a Spider + Pastel Axanthic to get Bumblebees that are het Axanthic?

Thanks for any help. 8]

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Originally Posted by Superfictious

So. I've looked through morphs, ooooh'd and awwwwe'd, and have finally decided that my favorite is the Killer Bee Axanthic. I'm just starting to look at the genetics, so I'd like some help, please.

I know that Killer Bees are Bumblebee + Pastel, so, to get Axanthic Killers, would you need a Bumblebee het Axanthic + Pastel Axanthic?

That would work, or it could be Bumblebee het Axanthic x Pastel het Axanthic

I'm assuming to get Pastel Axanthics, you breed Pastel + Axanthic.

Actually, it would be pastel het axanthic x axanthic or het axanthic

How do you get Bumblebees het for Axanthic? Or would you just breed a Spider + Pastel Axanthic to get Bumblebees that are het Axanthic?

That would work!

Thanks for any help. 8]

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Oh wait. Pastel + Axanthic wouldn't work at all.

Pastel het Axanthic + Axanthic? @@

Ahh! Didn't see that right away, ha ha. Thank you for telling me. 8]
This would be a huuuuge project.

I didn't think about Pastel het axanthic! That would probably be easier to get, too.
Thank again.

Glad to help! :)

It doesn't matter how you get there. You just need to end up with a snake that has the following traits - homozygous pastel, homozygous axanthic, and at least heterozygous spider.

Steve

This is an example of where I think it's important to understand that the genotypes heterozygous and homozygous and how they apply beyond just recessive. Knowing that you need to make a homozygous pastel you can see that both parents must be at least heterozygous pastel. Likewise both parents must be at least heterozygous axanthic for the same reason. Knowing that you need to make a heterozygous spider you can see that only one parent is required to be at least heterozygous spider.

So the minimum parents that could make an axanthic killerbee would be bumble bee het axanthic x pastel het axanthic. Both of those parents could be produced from originally breeding a bumblebee to a homozygous axanthic. Still a daunting multi-generational project requiring some luck with the odds but I bet the results would be well worth it.

The way i understand it to get a killer bee breed a super pastel x spider then breed the killer bee back to an axanthic and u should have a chance of getting a killer bee axanthic

Hi,

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Originally Posted by eggman08

The way i understand it to get a killer bee breed a super pastel x spider then breed the killer bee back to an axanthic and u should have a chance of getting a killer bee axanthic

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That wouldn't work I'm afraid.

Super pastel x spider gives you pastels and bumblebees - it cannot make a killerbee.

And a killerbee x axanthic would give you bumblebees and pastels all het for axanthic.


dr del

Im not sure how to get the killer bee axanthic. But everything i have read says to get a killer bee breed a dominant spider x a dominant super pastel. And my friend uncle i a ball python breeder and that is how the got his killer bee. But to get a killer bee axanthic it might take a different approach to get it

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Originally Posted by eggman08

Im not sure how to get the killer bee axanthic. But everything i have read says to get a killer bee breed a dominant spider x a dominant super pastel. And my friend uncle i a ball python breeder and that is how the got his killer bee. But to get a killer bee axanthic it might take a different approach to get it

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*Sigh* yet another killer bee thread...

You are misunderstanding it then.
A killer bee *is* a super pastel spider, you do not get a killer bee from breeding a super pastel to a spider. It is very simple genetics.
Use a Punnett Square and if you do not know how to use one, there are lots of guides showing how to use them if you look them up. Google is very helpful.

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Originally Posted by eggman08

Im not sure how to get the killer bee axanthic. But everything i have read says to get a killer bee breed a dominant spider x a dominant super pastel. And my friend uncle i a ball python breeder and that is how the got his killer bee. But to get a killer bee axanthic it might take a different approach to get it

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Eggman, to get a killerbee, you need a pastel gene from the mother AND the father. Because, you need the baby to be a super pastel. You can't get a super pastel from a super pastel mother bred to a non-pastel father - that will only give you pastel babies - but, they will ALL be pastel... no normals.

Then you'll need the mother OR the father to have a spider gene as well for the baby to be a super pastel spider a.k.a. killerbee.

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Originally Posted by eggman08

The way i understand it to get a killer bee breed a super pastel x spider then breed the killer bee back to an axanthic and u should have a chance of getting a killer bee axanthic

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Not quite right Eggman08

Super Pastel X Spider = Bumblebees and Pastels
Killerbee X Axanthic = Bumblebees Het Axanthic and Pastels Het Axanthic

To get to the Axanthic Killerbee starting with the bare bones base morphs the following would be the approach.

1. Axanthic male bred to Pastel female and Spider female - Keep all Pastel and Spider offspring they are all 100% Hets

2. Breed Spider Het Axanthic offspring to Pastel Het Axanthic offspring and keep your fingers crossed for the Axanthic Bumble bee

3. Breed the Axanthic bumblebee to a Pastel Het Axanthic from the previous generation or if you were lucky and got a sibling Pastel Axanthic of the opposite sex you could increase your odds of hitting the 3 gene combo.

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Originally Posted by JAMills

To get to the Axanthic Killerbee starting with the bare bones base morphs the following would be the approach.

1. Axanthic male bred to Pastel female and Spider female - Keep all Pastel and Spider offspring they are all 100% Hets

2. Breed Spider Het Axanthic offspring to Pastel Het Axanthic offspring and keep your fingers crossed for the Axanthic Bumble bee

3. Breed the Axanthic bumblebee to a Pastel Het Axanthic from the previous generation or if you were lucky and got a sibling Pastel Axanthic of the opposite sex you could increase your odds of hitting the 3 gene combo.

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That's what I'd do to, but I'll add one thing. If you don't get the axanthic bumblebee in step 2, you are still doing good if you get an axanthic pastel and an axanthic spider of the opposite sex from each other. At least this eliminates working with non-visible hets. Cross them, everything will be axanthic, and you'll have 1 in 4% odds of getting the axanthic bumblebee. Much better than the odds in step 2 which are only 1 in 16.

LOL it all basically boils down to this


you would need

Super Pastel Het axanthic X Bumble Bee het axanthic .

by using the super pastel instead of a plain ol pastel , i was told you improve the odds of producing a killer bee and by that increasing the odds for the KB to be axanthic . ..

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Originally Posted by TheVipersHouse

LOL it all basically boils down to this


you would need

Super Pastel Het axanthic X Bumble Bee het axanthic .

by using the super pastel instead of a plain ol pastel , i was told you improve the odds of producing a killer bee and by that increasing the odds for the KB to be axanthic . ..

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Well, hey, if we are increasing the odds and can start with any snake we want... why not just go with killer bee axanthic x killer bee axanthic? :D

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Originally Posted by kc261

Well, hey, if we are increasing the odds and can start with any snake we want... why not just go with killer bee axanthic x killer bee axanthic? :D

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Actually, after a few sheets of paper brainstorming I think that example would only make normals....

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Originally Posted by tdietz87

Actually, after a few sheets of paper brainstorming I think that example would only make normals....

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Hey, who said which odds I was trying to increase? :rofl::rofl: