Pied genetics

I was thinking today after looking at several different pieds, what is the difference between the high and low whites? Do the 'parent' snakes have to het or be high white themselves in order to throw high whites or can lows pass on the high whites? I was just curious at what makes one have more white than the other.

Also if a het pied was bred to a normal, what would your percentages be? Is there a website or something with a list of possible producers and the offspring that will be recieved?

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Originally Posted by pitbulls4me

I was thinking today after looking at several different pieds, what is the difference between the high and low whites? Do the 'parent' snakes have to het or be high white themselves in order to throw high whites or can lows pass on the high whites? I was just curious at what makes one have more white than the other.

Also if a het pied was bred to a normal, what would your percentages be? Is there a website or something with a list of possible producers and the offspring that will be recieved?

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The parents need to be hets or pied themselves. If you breed two hets you have a 25% chance that each egg with have a pied in it. If a het pied is bred to a normal the offspring would be called 50% hets and if they are proved out they would be 100% hets after that. The nerd site has alot on there. Also a high white can throw low whites and lows can throw highs.

Welcome to the addiction :)

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Originally Posted by southb

The parents need to be hets or pied themselves. If you breed two hets you have a 25% chance that each egg with have a pied in it. If a het pied is bred to a normal the offspring would be called 50% hets and if they are proved out they would be 100% hets after that. The nerd site has alot on there. Also a high white can throw low whites and lows can throw highs.

Welcome to the addiction :)

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Its killing me.... my mind changes every day as to what I want. I am still in love with the axanthics though.I was showing my boyfriend all the different morphs tonight and he really liked the pied... so it just might be our first morph. I am sure they are expensive and thats why I was asking about genetics.

And this addiction is horrible... I never liked snakes too much before.....and now I am on this forum every free second I get just reading. I am also losing sleep staying on here til 2 in the morning!

It only gets worse btw....and yes they are kinda expensive. I think somewhere around $1500 is where I see them sell for. I have a het pied male so I'm just needing a female to complete the set lol. This is one project I've thought about taking my time with.

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Originally Posted by pitbulls4me

Its killing me.... my mind changes every day as to what I want. I am still in love with the axanthics though.I was showing my boyfriend all the different morphs tonight and he really liked the pied... so it just might be our first morph. I am sure they are expensive and thats why I was asking about genetics.

And this addiction is horrible... I never liked snakes too much before.....and now I am on this forum every free second I get just reading. I am also losing sleep staying on here til 2 in the morning!

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this is the beginning, wait till you get your first morph,then you will soon end up with more... thats what happened to me now im broke...lol

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Originally Posted by southb

It only gets worse btw....and yes they are kinda expensive. I think somewhere around $1500 is where I see them sell for. I have a het pied male so I'm just needing a female to complete the set lol. This is one project I've thought about taking my time with.

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not only does it get worse but for most addictions they have places where people get together and talk about there problem and they get better they call it rehab, for us we have places where we talk to people with the same prob but we get worse they call it expos

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

not only does it get worse but for most addictions they have places where people get together and talk about there problem and they get better they call it rehab, for us we have places where we talk to people with the same prob but we get worse they call it expos

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LOL. I love this, true that :rolleye2:

Well I am planning my first trip to an expo... Richmond on May 9. It will be just a few days after my birthday so just maybe....

I am glad there are people out there suffereing the same thing I am... probably worse because I see the list of the snakes people own in their signatures.

You know... I didn't like the Pieds at first. But they have really grown on me. I sort of wish they didn't because of the price tag!

I agree. The pieds were always nice looking to me but didnt strike me as one that I would like to have. But the more I look at them, the more I change my mind. I especially like the ones with higher white... but not too much.

Another question... do the hets for pied always have a visual marker? And I have seen some normals that are het for pied but they look something like normals, their pattern is all broken and they have white marks on their sides. Is this the same for all het pieds?

Hey everybody. This is my first post. But I've been stalking all week :) This is truley a great forum I am glad I came across it. Well to get straight to the point. I too have found I like the Piebald. Through hours of hours of research I found a breeder in ohio. And She is asking only $500 for Piebalds. She has 3. Is this a deal thats too good to be true?


This isn'y exatcly related to my topic but I thought I'd share what I found: http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....BallPython.wmv Pretty cool HQ video

het pieds ( not proven but most to my knoweldge) have white bellies and a black line along the side of the belly .( may not be stating it right but i get a pics of my hets later today hopefully. to post.


as for the 500 pieds I would not give any money until you seen the snake in person. ther a lot of scammer out ther . I also seen peopel try to pass ringers off as pieds.

The amounto f white asnakes has ( pied) varies between the snakes it like something the snake genes decide as it incubating (fas as I know ) so the amount is a random factor like he patter nis on each snake random ..

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Originally Posted by tdietz87

Hey everybody. This is my first post. But I've been stalking all week :) This is truley a great forum I am glad I came across it. Well to get straight to the point. I too have found I like the Piebald. Through hours of hours of research I found a breeder in ohio. And She is asking only $500 for Piebalds. She has 3. Is this a deal thats too good to be true?


This isn'y exatcly related to my topic but I thought I'd share what I found: http://www.eastcoastreptilebreeders....BallPython.wmv Pretty cool HQ video

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What is the breeders name? You may be refering to het pied females, which sell for around $500 each. Pieds normally range between $1250 and $2000.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

What is the breeders name? You may be refering to het pied females, which sell for around $500 each. Pieds normally range between $1250 and $2000.

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Heres the email:

Hello Troy,
Thanks for the mail. I am located in Ohio and we accept shipment to any major airport in the United State.
I will like to know how many of them you want and sex.
There are 3 of the piebald ball python and 2 of the albino ball python and 2 of the ghost, I am giving the Piebald ball python for $500 each, Albino for $400 each and ghost for $400.
Regarding shipment,it is normally $110 shipping 1 from the Southwest Cargo Airlines here to any Major airport in the US.
I will be waiting to read from you.
Thanks
Dr.Kelly




I don't know what to think. Seems like a steal. Email address says here names Kelly Forbes. I have already emailed back asking if I could drive to pick up the snake. Will let you know what she says.

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Originally Posted by tdietz87

Heres the email:

Hello Troy,
Thanks for the mail. I am located in Ohio and we accept shipment to any major airport in the United State.
I will like to know how many of them you want and sex.
There are 3 of the piebald ball python and 2 of the albino ball python and 2 of the ghost, I am giving the Piebald ball python for $500 each, Albino for $400 each and ghost for $400.
Regarding shipment,it is normally $110 shipping 1 from the Southwest Cargo Airlines here to any Major airport in the US.
I will be waiting to read from you.
Thanks
Dr.Kelly


I don't know what to think. Seems like a steal. Email address says here names Kelly Forbes. I have already emailed back asking if I could drive to pick up the snake. Will let you know what she says.

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Sounds like a scam.

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Originally Posted by tdietz87

Heres the email:

Hello Troy,
Thanks for the mail. I am located in Ohio and we accept shipment to any major airport in the United State.
I will like to know how many of them you want and sex.
There are 3 of the piebald ball python and 2 of the albino ball python and 2 of the ghost, I am giving the Piebald ball python for $500 each, Albino for $400 each and ghost for $400.
Regarding shipment,it is normally $110 shipping 1 from the Southwest Cargo Airlines here to any Major airport in the US.
I will be waiting to read from you.
Thanks
Dr.Kelly




I don't know what to think. Seems like a steal. Email address says here names Kelly Forbes. I have already emailed back asking if I could drive to pick up the snake. Will let you know what she says.

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If it is too good to be true it probably is. Why would anyone sell an animal for a fraction of its value. Once you have been around this hobby long enough you have heard all the scams and people taken by them. They prey on newbies who dont know any better. Be careful, you get what you pay for and sometimes you get nothing but a negative in your checking account.

Thanks, both of you for steering me clear. I will delete the email from her now.

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Originally Posted by tdietz87

Thanks, both of you for steering me clear. I will delete the email from her now.

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Is she far from you? If not then you may be able to visually inspect the animal to make sure that it is in fact what she says it is. If that is the case, then that would be a steal. I know people who have sold animals at crazy low prices when in a jam. That could potentially be the case. I would not give any money without seeing the animal in person though.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Is she far from you? If not then you may be able to visually inspect the animal to make sure that it is in fact what she says it is. If that is the case, then that would be a steal. I know people who have sold animals at crazy low prices when in a jam. That could potentially be the case. I would not give any money without seeing the animal in person though.

Good luck!

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This is always a possibilty, the only thing you got to loose in that case is time and gas.

My red flag on the whole thing is that it is exactly the same setup and spelling as a regular scammer.

And since when does anyone sign their name Dr. Kelly? I know Drs in this business who just go by their first name.

Seems like someone trying to be legit by using a professional title.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

My red flag on the whole thing is that it is exactly the same setup and spelling as a regular scammer.

And since when does anyone sign their name Dr. Kelly? I know Drs in this business who just go by their first name.

Seems like someone trying to be legit by using a professional title.

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Good catch.

Update on the possible scam:
Well I am starting to believe this person a little more. Which could get me into some trouble. They replied with this:

Hello,
That will be nice but you can come after 6:00 pm. There are some of their pictures available picture attach with this mail.
I will like to know when you will be coming so that I can give you a description because I will soon be going to Cameroon with WWF for a project.

I will be waiting to read from you.

Thanks.

They pictures they sent ofcourse cannot be proven if they are or aren't hers. But I might just pick up all three of these piebalds. The only think is she is in ohio, I'm in Michigan. This would be a long waste of time if its a fraud.

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Originally Posted by tdietz87

update on the possible scam:
Well i am starting to believe this person a little more. Which could get me into some trouble. They replied with this:

Hello,
that will be nice but you can come after 6:00 pm. There are some of their pictures available picture attach with this mail.
I will like to know when you will be coming so that i can give you a description because i will soon be going to cameroon with wwf for a project.

I will be waiting to read from you.

Thanks.

They pictures they sent ofcourse cannot be proven if they are or aren't hers. But i might just pick up all three of these piebalds. The only think is she is in ohio, i'm in michigan. This would be a long waste of time if its a fraud.

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RED ALERT: Cameroon

I wouldn't waste my time.

She will say "I'm sorry, I've already left for Cameroon" whenever you decide to stop by...

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

RED ALERT: Cameroon

I wouldn't waste my time.

She will say "I'm sorry, I've already left for Cameroon" whenever you decide to stop by...

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hmmmm....ok, I will believe you. Keep ya posted if she says anything else. I',m glad for this forum. I would have been sucked in!

Back to the OP... Have a look at a nerd lemon bee.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

RED ALERT: Cameroon

I wouldn't waste my time.

She will say "I'm sorry, I've already left for Cameroon" whenever you decide to stop by...

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I totally agree. There are several red flags between the emails and of course the price. There are other options also, like they may not be healthy.

Be cautious.

any email with cameroon = a scam I seen many of these and such and i just block the entire email address for them.

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Originally Posted by Jenn

Back to the OP... Have a look at a nerd lemon bee.

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I have seen them as well. I practically live on NERD's website with all the info and the different morphs! If only I had enough money to afford their prices I would be buying from them!

Too many morphs.... too little money!

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

any email with cameroon = a scam I seen many of these and such and i just block the entire email address for them.

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What is Cameroon?

Hi,

It is an African republic.

Ok ok I know that's a wikipedia link - but seriously, how badly can they mess up geography? :P


dr del

Buy from a reputable breeder. You get what you pay for and they back their animals 100%.

PS. If you see any mentions of Camaroon... Run... Fast...

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Originally Posted by Vibrant Balls

PS. If you see any mentions of Camaroon... Run... Fast...

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Dang and I was just emailed about a lost relative that wanted to deposit a few million into my bank account. Oh the relative is black royalty and I'm white but hey those things happen lol.

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Originally Posted by tdietz87

Update on the possible scam:
Well I am starting to believe this person a little more. Which could get me into some trouble. They replied with this:

Hello,
That will be nice but you can come after 6:00 pm. There are some of their pictures available picture attach with this mail.
I will like to know when you will be coming so that I can give you a description because I will soon be going to Cameroon with WWF for a project.

I will be waiting to read from you.

Thanks.

They pictures they sent ofcourse cannot be proven if they are or aren't hers. But I might just pick up all three of these piebalds. The only think is she is in ohio, I'm in Michigan. This would be a long waste of time if its a fraud.

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You could ask the seller to please take pictures of the animals with their divers license, or something else, on them to prove that she actually does own the animals. Explain to her that you live a fairly long distance away, and just want to make sure that this is not a scam before driving this distance. If this is legit, then they would not mind the request from a cautious buyer. Just a thought.

Good luck either way.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

You could ask the seller to please take pictures of the animals with their divers license, or something else, on them to prove that she actually does own the animals. Explain to her that you live a fairly long distance away, and just want to make sure that this is not a scam before driving this distance. If this is legit, then they would not mind the request from a cautious buyer. Just a thought.

Good luck either way.

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^^^ that sounds like a VERY good idea!



Mike~