Matrix line

Has anyone heard of Matrix line.......i'm looking at a Pastel male and the gentleman says its a matrix line im not sure what that means.

i htought the matrix line was a blood python morph?!?!

Matrix is a line of pastel; just like lemon, Graziani, etc.
The matrix pastel is Matt Turner's line, I believe.

thanx MPenn

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Matrix is a line of pastel; just like lemon, Graziani, etc.
The matrix pastel is Matt Turner's line, I believe.

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learn something new each day.

what makes this line different from the others?

It was a new line of Pastel the was genetic that was brought over and proven out. That's all :)

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

It was a new line of Pastel the was genetic that was brought over and proven out. That's all :)

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oh so there is no different characters? like busy patterns bighter colors or anything?

i want my own line!

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

oh so there is no different characters? like busy patterns bighter colors or anything?

i want my own line!

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I've got a bell pastel. You can always create your own line. Just select your favorite animals and breed to get what you want and I would say after 3-5 generations it would be your line as long as it's different from what you started with like maybe clean the patterns up a bunch or etc other things you want to breed for.

I believe Matrix pastels and Blonde pastels are the same thing. I have a pair of Matrix pastels, and they are some of the yellowest pastels I've ever seen. They are '08s, so I don't know how they'll look as adults, but their father looked quite nice when we saw him.

You can see pics of my pair in this thread. I really need to get some updated pics!
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=74875

When I got mine, I looked for info on the Matrix line pastels and didn't find much. One thing I did find is this picture and comment in the Hunter's Guide to the Morphs:

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Originally Posted by NextWorldExotics

This is an exceptional Matrix line Blonde Pastel. Blonde Pastels tend to get brighter as they get older. They also have a very high amount of bright Yellow as babies.
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/images/hpastel6.jpg

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One thing to keep in mind is that there are good examples and bad examples in every line of pastels. Make sure you are happy with the individual animal you are purchasing... don't buy just based on what line it is from.

wow thats a great looking animal!

Is Matt Turner still in the reptile business? Anyone have any contact info?

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Originally Posted by krwelcher

Is Matt Turner still in the reptile business? Anyone have any contact info?

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http://www.selectiveorigins.com/

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Originally Posted by southb

I've got a bell pastel. You can always create your own line. Just select your favorite animals and breed to get what you want and I would say after 3-5 generations it would be your line as long as it's different from what you started with like maybe clean the patterns up a bunch or etc other things you want to breed for.

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The answer would be no, selective breeding does not make the snakes produced down the road a new line.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

The answer would be no, selective breeding does not make the snakes produced down the road a new line.

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Right, a new line of a morph has to originate from Africa and be proven to be genetically the same as the base morph already being produced here.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

http://www.selectiveorigins.com/

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Looks like he's not working with ball pythons any longer. :(

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Originally Posted by tonkatoyman

Right, a new line of a morph has to originate from Africa and be proven to be genetically the same as the base morph already being produced here.

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Not true at all. lots of Lines are just selectivly bred morphs through the snake world. and by your definition a breeder in africa could be selling the same pastel offspring to people here and their calling them different things. Its just a name.

and even if I wanted I could take a matrix pastel and breed it to a normal and call the offspring what ever line I want. "Loser Line Pastel" why not? Just what do you think people are going to want? a matrix line that you can trace back to its roots... or this dudes random line we've never herd of?

but If you started to mix and match pastels and produce something more intense like a even higher yellow pastel or something with more intense blushing that we see now, it would be just a mutt of pastel lines selectivly bred. boom new line. and i hope to god you would give it a name so im not just buying "some pastel"

Loser Line Pastel !! I love it!! :gj: :rofl:
Well, at least we will all know what you will be working on. :rolleyes:

Break open a book and learn a thing or two will ya!

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Originally Posted by southb

I've got a bell pastel. You can always create your own line. Just select your favorite animals and breed to get what you want and I would say after 3-5 generations it would be your line as long as it's different from what you started with like maybe clean the patterns up a bunch or etc other things you want to breed for.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Not true at all. lots of Lines are just selectivly bred morphs through the snake world. and by your definition a breeder in africa could be selling the same pastel offspring to people here and their calling them different things. Its just a name.

and even if I wanted I could take a matrix pastel and breed it to a normal and call the offspring what ever line I want. "Loser Line Pastel" why not? Just what do you think people are going to want? a matrix line that you can trace back to its roots... or this dudes random line we've never herd of?

but If you started to mix and match pastels and produce something more intense like a even higher yellow pastel or something with more intense blushing that we see now, it would be just a mutt of pastel lines selectivly bred. boom new line. and i hope to god you would give it a name so im not just buying "some pastel"

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Thats a big negative folks. If you take a Bell Line pastel and a Nerd line pastel, your offspring is BellXNerd blood line....not a new line. Then you take your NERDxBell and throw it in the mix with a Graziani....you now have an animal with the bloodline from 3 different lines, but its still not its own individual line.
You want your own line, you need to bring it in from Africa. This new blood line, fresh set of pastel genes can now be classified as a Loser line.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Thats a big negative folks. If you take a Bell Line pastel and a Nerd line pastel, your offspring is BellXNerd blood line....not a new line. Then you take your NERDxBell and throw it in the mix with a Graziani....you now have an animal with the bloodline from 3 different lines, but its still not its own individual line.
You want your own line, you need to bring it in from Africa. This new blood line, fresh set of pastel genes can now be classified as a Loser line.

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how can you prove its fresh genes? just because it came from africa? how do you know the Bell Line isn't just a relative of the Nerd line or any of the other lines? just they were taken out of africa at different times. I find it hard to believe that all of these pastels are ALL compatible and are ALL different genes causing the same coloration and same super form.

Lipstick line albino boas are just selectivly bred albino boas not new genes or pulled out of the wild... bout the only thing I can think of right now thats a line.