How bad is your spiders wobble or spinning disorder!

My female spider has the spinning disorder bad and sometimes she will at random freeze and sit there...
This is mine she was drinking upside down
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Does any on else have any other pics or kno how bad there spider has it.

Mine isn't so bad, but he does spin.

I guess I lucked out, my girl has nothing I would consider a wobble. The previous keeper told me she did, but in comparison to normal looping I see in my normals and other morphs, I have seen nothing comparable in her beyond normal "wavering" before a strike.

Can your girl still eat and function?

How old is she?

Some do grow out of it in time.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

I guess I lucked out, my girl has nothing I would consider a wobble. The previous keeper told me she did, but in comparison to normal looping I see in my normals and other morphs, I have seen nothing comparable in her beyond normal "wavering" before a strike.

Can your girl still eat and function?

How old is she?

Some do grow out of it in time.

Bruce

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She is only three years old and yeah she moves around like normal just when she stops and starts doing her thing she really goes, and she eats every week pounding down small rats and she grew into the disorder.

My male spider he just wobbles when he eats.

Mine looks like his head is vibrating when he eats... weird but I think it makes him unique. :D

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Originally Posted by gu1do24

Mine looks like his head is vibrating when he eats... weird but I think it makes him unique. :D

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Nope that would be the wobble mine does it too

My spider has been fine from hatchling to now which is 8 months, I watch him a lot at night an during the day. I haven't seen anything unusual or wobbling. I should tell you I spent years staying away from the spiders because of this issue and waited months before I bought one from someone I real really truly trusted. I am best of friends with the breeder and trust him beyond trust. This is why I knew this spider was the one for me.

My female corkscrews too. When she was in a taller cage (12" h) it was bad. I was afraid she would hurt herself. I moved her to a rack that is only 6" high and she seems to be doing better (eating and stress wise). Also, she doesn't corkscrew as much when shes being handled.

Mine doesnt seem to wobble any, but id say he corkscrews just a little, but hes in a 40qt so he just goes to the top and does almost like a back flip. But its not frequent, just a little when he first starts movin around at night then he stops

It's not just spiders that spin. I've got another morph that spins more than my spiders. I think it's a normal ball thing that the gene just makes worse. Of course, I'm not a genetics expert.

Can someone explain to a newb why they do this?

yea i have 2 male spiders and a female. my older 07 male i just got does it alot! always upside down until i check him then he's fine. my 08 spider m and female doesn't do it from what my wife and i see. ill get a pic of him tonight when i get home for ya. for the most part he eats so it doesnt worry me.

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Originally Posted by Buttons

Can someone explain to a newb why they do this?

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The theory is that the spider morph causes this and anything with spider in it has the possiblity to do this. The spider siblings that are normal are not supposed to do this.

IIRC all spiders are descended from a single WC male that had the disorder and it is genetic to the spider allele. Normal siblings do not get the allele so they don't get it. As to why some do it and some dont... well in some lines it might be bred out or at least lessened. The further we get away from the first spider the more we can selectively breed it out. I'd also like to get ahold of one that does not spin at all since then I can breed knowing that my offspring would have a good chance of not spinning.

My Bee does it sometimes. She is still a little one. I hope it calms down or goes away. Either case, she is still an awesome Bee :).

Never seen my bee do it. She is closing in on 2 years of age and we have had her for about 1 year and 2 months. She also refuses to eat rats, but loves her mice. You can try a rat for months and she will not touch it, but you can remove the rat and drop a mouse in right away and she pounds it. We just got 2.5 ASF rats and once they start breeding good we are thinking of maybe giving them a try with her since it seems like an endless night when you have to feed her 4 or 5 mice on feeding day one at a time.

I have 6 spiders now(had 8) and most of them show very little much signs. One does wobble a little right before he stikes at food.

From what I have seen stress or excitement seems to cause them to do it more. I heard someone compare it to Terrets(spelling) syndrome in humans which seems to get amplified when nervous or excited. Good thing they cant speak;) #$%*^@:D

Like people with terrets other than that behavior they are quite normal.

I've also heard of a spider that either didn't wobble or had very little wobble having offspring that did wobble alot more.

I feel pretty lucky with my little girl. The only sign she really shows is that she looks a little unsteady before she strikes.

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Originally Posted by Darkenz

yea i have 2 male spiders and a female. my older 07 male i just got does it alot! always upside down until i check him then he's fine. my 08 spider m and female doesn't do it from what my wife and i see. ill get a pic of him tonight when i get home for ya. for the most part he eats so it doesnt worry me.

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here my 650g male i was talking about.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l6...1/IMG00026.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l6...1/IMG00025.jpg

here's a vid for everyone

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l6...t=VID00001.flv

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Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow

... well in some lines it might be bred out or at least lessened. The further we get away from the first spider the more we can selectively breed it out. I'd also like to get ahold of one that does not spin at all since then I can breed knowing that my offspring would have a good chance of not spinning.

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That is counter to what I have read... if it is attached to the allele for the phenotype, you cannot breed it out.

They all have the genes of the original spider male WC, therefore they all have the propensity to spin.

And non-spinners can throw train wrecks and spinners can throw normals. Same with some coming in and out of a spin at various times in their development.

The gene is still there, it just is or is not prominent (or possibly activated).

Bruce

My spider boy spins like crazy late at night but otherwise acts completely normal. He has the best feeding response of all my snakes and moves about his cage without any problems. However, once his lights go out he has a tendency to crawl up the sides and spin down to the bottom. He looks ridiculous but doesn't seem any worse for it and honestly I like the character it gives him.

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That is counter to what I have read... if it is attached to the allele for the phenotype, you cannot breed it out.

They all have the genes of the original spider male WC, therefore they all have the propensity to spin.

And non-spinners can throw train wrecks and spinners can throw normals. Same with some coming in and out of a spin at various times in their development.

The gene is still there, it just is or is not prominent (or possibly activated).

Bruce

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There are many possibilities. It could be a gene that has a very close locus to the spider gene, and so the chances of a recombination occurring that would put those genes on different gametes is low, therefore many spiders spin.

It could be a gene that both makes an animal a spider and does something weird to their balancing ability (so it can't be split apart), in which case the difference between a bad spinner and a non spinner has to do with something else in the genome combined with the spider gene, or some environmental factor.

Since this trait appears to be genetic, and genes are passed from parents to offspring, it makes sense that concentrated efforts could figure out the influential factors and give rise to a group of spiders with reduced spin, who when bred will produce more like them.

I've got a baby male caramel albino that spins, I guess I should video that and post it.

Mine does that backward thing. He didn't used to, but does now. his feeding response is great. Though, he only wants only live mice. Won't switch to f/t.

As far as personality, he seems a lot more outgoing than most balls.

Awww...mine either has no wobble or is hardly noticeable because I've never seen her wobble, spin, etc.

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

That is counter to what I have read... if it is attached to the allele for the phenotype, you cannot breed it out.

They all have the genes of the original spider male WC, therefore they all have the propensity to spin.

And non-spinners can throw train wrecks and spinners can throw normals. Same with some coming in and out of a spin at various times in their development.

The gene is still there, it just is or is not prominent (or possibly activated).

Bruce

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I wasn't aware that it was completely hardwired into the genetics where you don't get the spider look without the spinning... that would suck if you couldn't breed it out but I was just going by what little I do know about genetics...like a German Shepherd that has a family history if hip issues but has a REALLY nice coat could be bred to a displaysia free line and after a few generations of selective breeding you could have the nice coat and strong hips. I guess this is not the case or are we not sure yet? My logic says to me that if there are animals that don't have any spinning issues then it can be turned off.

One thing that DOES worry me is that someone is going to produce something that looks completely revolutionary in the BP world but it'll have health issues and they'll breed it anyway. With the Spider it seems that it is extremely rare to have one where the spinning could cause the animal to be unable to live a healthy, comfortable life so I'm ok with it. I'm still on the fence with the Caramel Albinos but it seems like there are lines where the kinking is bred out....

My spider doesn't have the spins or a wobble... I mean yeah he does waver before striking but nothing beyond what my other snakes do. He eats like a monster too!

i named my spider "wobbles" for a reason, lol

I have no idea first hand.

I have 2 spiders, one male, and one female.

Neither of them wobble.

Brandon

My spider wobbles sometimes but doesn't spin.

Mine doen't even wobble while feeding. I lucked out.

I got my first and only Spider from EBN a few years ago. When I got her, I asked for a non wobbler. They sent me a NICE female that was exactly what I asked for...she did not spin, or wobble.

As she aged, she is almost 4 years old now, the only odd thing I have witnessed with her is she does a slight head bob when going after a rat.

In 08, I bred her to my Sulfur Mojave male, and got four Spider or Spider cross babies. I got one Spider female, a pair of Sulfur Spiders, and a female Sulfur Mojave Spider. The Spider female baby was sold when she was a few months old, and she showed NO signs of anything odd. Great snake. The Sulfur Spider male was sold a few months ago, at about 6 months old, and he was also flawless. The Sulfur Spider female is still here, and will not be sold, and she is also flawless. A great eater too, as are all the Spiders I have. The Sulfur Mojave Spider female act normal too, so I feel lucky so far. If I had a really bad wobbler, or cork screw Spider, I would probably not breed that snake.

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