everybody better wake up & know about the ban!!

That could be on its way!! join
http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1
http://usark.org/index.php

Explain the ban...and is it really that big of a deal?

Drugs are illegal and sure are the easiest things to get, dont see much difference here.

And if i remember correctly it will just ban interstate trade or something like that?...but it is one of those things that is going to be impossible to regulate, you can easily put a ball python in cargo shorts pocket drive to whereever and continue your transaction

"where there is a will, there is a way"

There will be no BHB Reptiles and 8BallPythons at the Daytona show anymore. That is, if there will be a Daytona show at all. And it will be quite a drive from Maryland/Michigan to Florida if we do chance a snake in the pocket...

C'mon. You know better than to think it's not going to affect you much!

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There will be no BHB Reptiles and 8BallPythons at the Daytona show anymore. That is, if there will be a Daytona show at all. And it will be quite a drive from Maryland/Michigan to Florida if we do chance a snake in the pocket...

C'mon. You know better than to think it's not going to affect you much!

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It seems like it will affect the breeders not so much the consumers, depending on your state of course. Every type of snake I could afford anything under $3000 can be found in Florida for the most part, but lets say you are in Tenn. and the snake you want is in Florida, if you want it bad enough I am pretty sure you will make the trip, i know peeps that do it for guns and cars, so why not snakes esp. the price some of them are.

Don't get me wrong I love BHB and 8Ball they are 2 of my top 5 breeders, but as the little guy consumer with 2 snakes total and maybe a max of 4 down the road, this will have little affect to me and many other small time snake owners.

See what I mean?

And that's how liberty dies. It is not by losing a big war, or have buildings blown up to pieces, or a great depression. It is little by little so that the common man will not care much about it and even greet it with thunderous applause (I got that from Star Wars III :D). Until the time comes that you look around and realize, man! I can't even sneeze without getting a permit!

i think its whaaaaccckkk. pretty soon pitbulls are gonna be outlawed. then rotweilers. Shoot america aint all its cracked up to be..lan of the free my anus.

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It seems like it will affect the breeders not so much the consumers, depending on your state of course. Every type of snake I could afford anything under $3000 can be found in Florida for the most part, but lets say you are in Tenn. and the snake you want is in Florida, if you want it bad enough I am pretty sure you will make the trip, i know peeps that do it for guns and cars, so why not snakes esp. the price some of them are.

Don't get me wrong I love BHB and 8Ball they are 2 of my top 5 breeders, but as the little guy consumer with 2 snakes total and maybe a max of 4 down the road, this will have little affect to me and many other small time snake owners.

See what I mean?

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You are right in a way but wrong in another.

If you think this will not affect you you are wrong. Let's say you do have your 1-4 snakes. But now since they are banned you need a permit. $ . Then you need to keep that updated. $ . Then you need to make sure you home insurance accepts "exotic animals." $$. And if you don't own a home then you have to declare it to your landlord as a banned animal. We all know how often it is that landlords don't like reptiles. Especially, when they hear python they think - huge snake - . $$$ . Oh and don't forget.. feeders and snake supply demands will drop since less will own then you have to pay more or travel farther to get what you need. Since not everyone will have it. and on and on and on.
$$$$$$$ it will cost you. It can affect you more than you think.

However, you are right it will have a bigger affect on the ones that have more snakes than you and their businesses. But why such a nonchalant attitude? Aren't you a reptile enthusiast like most of us here? BP Veteran?:cool:

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You are right in a way but wrong in another.

If you think this will not affect you you are wrong. Let's say you do have your 1-4 snakes. But now since they are banned you need a permit. $ . Then you need to keep that updated. $ . Then you need to make sure you home insurance accepts "exotic animals." $$. And if you don't own a home then you have to declare it to your landlord as a banned animal. We all know how often it is that landlords don't like reptiles. Especially, when they hear python they think - huge snake - . $$$ . Oh and don't forget.. feeders and snake supply demands will drop since less will own then you have to pay more or travel farther to get what you need. Since not everyone will have it. and on and on and on.
$$$$$$$ it will cost you. It can affect you more than you think.

However, you are right it will have a bigger affect on the ones that have more snakes than you and their businesses. But why such a nonchalant attitude? Aren't you a reptile enthusiast like most of us here? BP Veteran?:cool:

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I get where you are coming from...never looked at it like that. But I am a huge enthusiast of balls and many other snakes, but with my years of experience I have seen a lot of problems with greed, neglect for lesser morphs etc. This regulation might be a good way in the long run to stabilize the industry to a more respectable manner. Permits are actually a great idea in the long run, the biggest problem we have right now is saturation of the market, permits will make the serious breeders stay and the hobbyist keep it to just that a hobby on the other side big breeders might become really greedy, because now they need the sale to compensate for the $ spent on permits.

These next couple years are going to be quite interesting...my short term recommendation would be to stock up on the snakes you want the most now, just like I am stocking up with weapons before the ban.

Perosnally I dont think this ban will happen, just because the community is way to big and when the case is presented the ignorance of the prosecutor on the subject will most likely have it overturned...

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Explain the ban...and is it really that big of a deal?

Drugs are illegal and sure are the easiest things to get, dont see much difference here.

And if i remember correctly it will just ban interstate trade or something like that?...but it is one of those things that is going to be impossible to regulate, you can easily put a ball python in cargo shorts pocket drive to whereever and continue your transaction

"where there is a will, there is a way"

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And we don't endorse illegal activity here at BP.net - so you could only buy ball pythons from breeders in your state - if they stay in business. Nor do we allow members to advocate illegal activity. Please be mindful of our TOS.

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To say it will not affect you whether you have all the snakes you want in your home or have the philosophy you can still get them somehow is just wrong.

To not stand up and help those who's livelihoods depend on this business and all the others down the chain is lazy and wrong.

What if you have your bp but you need to take it to a vet? Get pulled over and are in violation of the ban trying to get your snake care?

America is controlled by 1% of its population for the exact reason and thinking that if it doesnt seem to affect me there is no reason to get involved....

If this was going on in a different country everyone would get together and meet and the door of the goverment and protest.....in other countries government fears its people and listen because of it......in our country our government controls decisions because of the attitude of well that really isnt right or it goes against the constitution, but since it doesnt effect me I am going to sit here in my home and watch American Idol with my beer and chips and not worry about my house blowing up from a rocket coming over from the other side of town..

My suggestion is talk to brian and adam, talk to ralph davis thru an email and ask what we can do to help them out....I have read several posts from them keeping us informed and what we should or should not do.

Anyways, my point was this.....if it doesnt affect me then I dont care is what continues to drive our country to where it is today and where it is going.......

The easiest way to die a quiet death is to sit by and do nothing:

When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Some of these ban bills do not just call for stopping importing and trade across state lines. Some call for a ban on all breeding. How are you going to get new snakes then, even in your state? Some call for a ban on keeping your snakes. What are you going to do with the snakes you have? Are you going to volunteer them up for euthanasia? Or just kill them yourself?

If you want to pretend that it will not affect you that is your choice but kindly do not criticize those of us that take it a bit more seriously.

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Shoot america aint all its cracked up to be..land of the free my anus.

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We have this joke in the Philippines... it goes in-between the Philippines versus America contests, kinda like the Yo Momma jokes. American says, America is the Land of the Free. Filipino says, but you are not free to pee on the wall! It's supposed to be hilarious but sometimes it makes me stop to think. Yeah, banning wall-peeing is cool for the good of the community. But, it shows that the public cannot be trusted to care enough about the community to not pee on the wall. Whereas, educating the people about the perils of wall-peeing (improper hygiene causing spread of disease and what-have-you plus suffering the odor everytime you walk by) and changing the culture so that people show pride for their community, might achieve the same effect. But hey, I do understand that in a perfect world education would be enough. In reality, there is always that one doofus who ruins it for everybody!

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it seems like it will affect the breeders not so much the consumers, depending on your state of course. Every type of snake i could afford anything under $3000 can be found in florida for the most part, but lets say you are in tenn. And the snake you want is in florida, if you want it bad enough i am pretty sure you will make the trip, i know peeps that do it for guns and cars, so why not snakes esp. The price some of them are.

Don't get me wrong i love bhb and 8ball they are 2 of my top 5 breeders, but as the little guy consumer with 2 snakes total and maybe a max of 4 down the road, this will have little affect to me and many other small time snake owners.

See what i mean?

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no more pythons period!!!!! Wake up people they are trying to ban them outright don't be stupid join the fight for our rights,listen to reptileradio.com its comming if you sit back in this aminstration your rights to own reptiles is gone!!!!!

If they pass this kiss all the web sites goodby!!!! All the breeders goodby all of your pythons turned in & killed!!!! Thats whats going to happen if you sit back & be passive go to the links i provided & read about it you will be ammazed at what they are doing & the python owner with 1 or 2 snakes will be lawbreakers too!!!!!! People wake up join usark or call write email your state senators!!! Be polite & smart .

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And we don't endorse illegal activity here at BP.net - so you could only buy ball pythons from breeders in your state - if they stay in business. Nor do we allow members to advocate illegal activity. Please be mindful of our TOS.

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What will happen when everything is illegal?

Back in 2004 there was the so called "steriod ban" and it didn't target steriods at all, it went after prohormones that had been legal for years and were proven to cause no harm. Now the legal prohormones that it left legal are VERY hard on your liver and cause cancer! A few friends of mine that were taking those with me made the jump to steriods just because if they were ever caught with either it was the same jail time! It was total bs, all they ever do is create a black market and that is what the current administration is going to be good at.

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Explain the ban...and is it really that big of a deal?

Drugs are illegal and sure are the easiest things to get, dont see much difference here.

And if i remember correctly it will just ban interstate trade or something like that?...but it is one of those things that is going to be impossible to regulate, you can easily put a ball python in cargo shorts pocket drive to whereever and continue your transaction

"where there is a will, there is a way"

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Wow what a great attitude, your a credit to your hobby. :rolleyes:

oh but wait when i posted this months ago no one even said anything. way to stand up! or the lets go sign some stupid petition. the point is that if your not flooding congress with letters then you are part of the problem

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oh but wait when i posted this months ago no one even said anything. way to stand up! or the lets go sign some stupid petition. the point is that if your not flooding congress with letters then you are part of the problem

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Nixer, after your first post i contacted bill nelson via email that day and again today.

Nixer is right!! send emails!! I have sent mulitple to nelson and those that are in favor of HR669. When sending emails to those for HR669, you have to make sure you put in that you live in their state. the system will reject emails if they are not in the district using a zip code search. I use the zip code listed for that person's office.

THIS WILL END OUR HOBBY!!!

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Nixer, after your first post i contacted bill nelson via email that day and again today.

Nixer is right!! send emails!! I have sent mulitple to nelson and those that are in favor of HR669. When sending emails to those for HR669, you have to make sure you put in that you live in their state. the system will reject emails if they are not in the district using a zip code search. I use the zip code listed for that person's office.

THIS WILL END OUR HOBBY!!!

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here is how:

house of rep.

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

congress

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm


heres the committees

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/com...ttees_home.htm


list of bills

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issuesaction/bill/

also note that you dont have to be 18 to contact congress or the house. so even you younger folks can do so just keep it well spoken and non attacking. also i would keep threats to a min.

well im canadian nothing i can do for you guys except suggest you try and do something about it or move here lol

I know a lot of the pro-life activists are flooding pres. Obama with empty red envelopes (to represent aborted children). They are sending something like 6 million of them.

Maybe we could do something similar. Make up a statement and send it a few million times. If we each do a few thousand it is sure to make a difference, especially if it is in one persons mail box :P

Everyone can help by joining www.pijac.org and www.usark.org

Both of these organizations are fighting on behalf of our hobby, and we should support them with our dues. Not to mention, more members means more bargaining power.

Also, Eugene Bessette had an excellent reptile radio quickblast this week on this very legislation, be sure and check it out if you have not
www.blogtalkradio.com/reptileradio

And to re-iterate another post: If the bill banning interstate transport of pythons passes, it will end the reptile industry as we know it.

This bill is intended to stem the problem with Burmese pythons in Florida, or at least that is the wave of support that Senator Bill Nelson is trying to ride (Senate bill S373). Ironically, it has absolutely no provisions to help Floridans with the Burm problem, and is instead a statement that you should not have the personal right to own pythons.

Email your Senators / Congressmen to oppose this bill.

JonV

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I know a lot of the pro-life activists are flooding pres. Obama with empty red envelopes (to represent aborted children). They are sending something like 6 million of them.

Maybe we could do something similar. Make up a statement and send it a few million times. If we each do a few thousand it is sure to make a difference, especially if it is in one persons mail box :P

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its ironic that Pro-Life activists are killing trees with all the useless empty envelopes being made for there use. "dont abort a baby, but you can hack down them trees so we can send empty envelopes to people and hope they change there mind" there should be better ways to get a point across then all the useless paper waste.

Also, you can help Pijac by filling out this online survey

http://www.pijac.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=505


This will allow them to better demonstrate the tremendous financial impact of Congress passing the bill.

JonV

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This bill is intended to stem the problem with Burmese pythons in Florida, or at least that is the wave of support that Senator Bill Nelson is trying to ride (Senate bill S373). Ironically, it has absolutely no provisions to help Floridans with the Burm problem, and is instead a statement that you should not have the personal right to own pythons.

JonV

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you nailed it!! every email i send senator nelson i point this out to him!!

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And we don't endorse illegal activity here at BP.net - so you could only buy ball pythons from breeders in your state - if they stay in business. Nor do we allow members to advocate illegal activity. Please be mindful of our TOS.

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Didn't mean to break the rules my bad...

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Wow what a great attitude, your a credit to your hobby. :rolleyes:

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curious is this sarcasm?? I continue a few posts later to refute my comment. As mentioned before I love the hobby, but for MY personal reasons this wont affect me as much hence my post

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curious is this sarcasm?? I continue a few posts later to refute my comment. As mentioned before I love the hobby, but for MY personal reasons this wont affect me as much hence my post

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It WILL affect you when you try and buy reptile supplies and there aren't any/many suppliers. This affects ALL of us. Every pet owner should oppose this bill.

JonV

I was planning on sending this to the senator:

Dear Mr. Nelson,

My name is Christopher Rossi I’m 14 and I am a resident of Florida. The letter I am writing you is regarding the law you want to pass, S. 373. I agree there are many large pythons (i.e. Reticulated and Burmese) in the Everglades that pose a threat to our already threatened animals. But I don’t think that banning the sale of pythons in our home state will stop the spread. One of the main ways the large pythons were released was by Hurricane Andrew which damaged many zoos and pet stores which had these snakes either as hatchlings or adults. Yes also there were many people who bought these large snakes as cute little babies and then are surprised when they see how big the get. Which then, some of the people release them into the wild thinking no harm can come of it. Instead of doing the proper thing and taking them to a exotic reptile sanctuary. I think one way that could help is to properly educate the people that are selling these animals, so that that make there customers aware of how big they will get. And with the pythons that are already in the Everglades. I think there should be python hunts. Where people will have to pay to take a test and those with the highest results will be able to get a special permit that will allow them to go into the park and extract hatchling and adult pythons. After which these snakes should be humanly euthanized or sent to zoos.

Passing this law will also affect the reptile community. Ball Pythons (Python regius) are one of the most widely bought and sold snake species. These snakes do not get much bigger than 5 feet. Which is no bigger than most of our native snake species. Banning these snakes from our state can cause an impact to our already severely suffering economy. You may not think of it but there are quite a lot of people that make their living on selling reptiles, some who only sell snakes. You might also say how can banning pythons from one state make that big of an impact? Well there are a quite a few very well known (to the reptile community) snake breeders in Florida not to mention those that are small like me. Also every year in Daytona is the National Breeders Expo, which is one of the largest reptile shows in the world. Banning Pythons would also affect this to a great degree. I went there last year, I was amazed by all of the beautiful animals I saw. There were so many colors and patterns it was just amazing. Just about half of those animals if not more were snakes. I hope I have helped you to understand why this law will affect more than just the ecosystem. It will affect the people like me that love and will gladly take the responsibility to care for these wonderful animals.


Thell me what you guys think?