Pastave or Not?

Hey, I was just trying to confirm the morph this is. Sorry for the nooby thread :(
http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/o...y/P1010030.jpg
Thanks,

No clue could be a Pastave, or a Lesser pastel, or a pastel butter or something totally different

It was $1100 if that helps

Who is the sellar?

looks like it could be.

First of all, that picture has more than one snake in it. I can clearly see 2 tails. I believe the one with the head in the middle of the pic is not the same one that has most of its body in the foreground of the pic. The one with the body in the foreground has much brighter colors, so they might not even be the same morph.

I think I remember that pastaves have white noses. I'll try to find where I read that.

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Originally Posted by kc261

First of all, that picture has more than one snake in it. I can clearly see 2 tails. I believe the one with the head in the middle of the pic is not the same one that has most of its body in the foreground of the pic. The one with the body in the foreground has much brighter colors, so they might not even be the same morph.

I think I remember that pastaves have white noses. I'll try to find where I read that.

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I realize that but im pretty sure that everyone knows that I am talking about the one with the brighter colors and if you didnt, you do now...

Also, if you google "pastave ball python" under images and you click the first picture, you will see a snake that looks similar to the one i am trying to identify

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Originally Posted by juddb

Who is the sellar?

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The seller is yellowbellyballs.com (the only problem is that there is no mention of these snakes on their website)

Well, apparently not "everybody" knew you were talking about the brighter one. If I had to guess, I would have thought the one with its head in the pic. But as you said, I know now. :)

I found the link, but since it talks about the "white noses and washed out heads" and the snake you are asking about doesn't have its head in the pic, I'm not sure how much it is going to help.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=75680

I did not find a "yellowbellyballs.com" but yellowbellyball.com is Amir's site. I have not done business with him but he has a good reputation and I would trust that a snake he is selling is what he says it is. If you are asking because you didn't ask him when you saw it, consider the possibility that it is a yellowbelly combo, because Amir works with YBs a lot.

I saw YB Balls at a show and they seemed really legit.

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Originally Posted by kc261

Well, apparently not "everybody" knew you were talking about the brighter one. If I had to guess, I would have thought the one with its head in the pic.

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I am talking about the one that you can see at the bottom right corner (sorry about all of the confusion).

I did not ask him what morph it was and that is why i am asking you guys.

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

The seller is yellowbellyballs.com (the only problem is that there is no mention of these snakes on their website)

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Why dont you contact Amir and ask? Im pretty sure if Amir labeled the animal as a pastave then its a pastave! :gj:

Looks like a pastel lesser and a hypo mojo or lesser.

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Originally Posted by juddb

Why dont you contact Amir and ask? Im pretty sure if Amir labeled the animal as a pastave then its a pastave! :gj:

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Thats the thing, it was not labeled and i did not ask (i forgot :() I did send him an email so i sould be getting a reply soon.

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Originally Posted by kc261

First of all, that picture has more than one snake in it. I can clearly see 2 tails. I believe the one with the head in the middle of the pic is not the same one that has most of its body in the foreground of the pic. The one with the body in the foreground has much brighter colors, so they might not even be the same morph.

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Actually, I think there are parts of 3 snakes in that picture.

Lol yes there are but im talking about the one that you can see in the bottom right. But does anyone know what morph that is?

its a Pastave

1) Wait for the seller to contact you back.
2) Get a better photo of the snake in question.

Those are the options that I would go with before asking everyone on here to identify a snake that we can't see the whole body. Not to sound rude, but you should give the seller time to contact you back if you bought it from him and then forgot to ask about the morph or forgot what he said. I don't know this Amir person, but any reasonable breeder would most likely tell you what he sold you.

And as far as identifying from that photo, we need to see the snake in question with a full body picture as well as a belly shot to give you a proper "guess" of what morph it "could" be.

Who thinks its a pastave? The one that you can see the whole body is deff a pastel lesser or butter. Pastaves are darker and it looks nothing like a mojos pattern.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Who thinks its a pastave? The one that you can see the whole body is deff a pastel lesser or butter. Pastaves are darker and it looks nothing like a mojos pattern.

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I agree, I think it looks more like a pastel lesser.

so im confused...did you jus pull out 1100 and say here you go gimme a snake and he pulled into a unlabeled tub and said this is a mojave pastel, or pastave, and you not properly knowing how to identify it handed him the 1100, i mean i guess its a respected breeder from what these people are saying but it seems that when purchasing you didnt know. But it seems to me a lesser pastel would be worth more than a mojave pastel....so if it is a lesser pastel, which in my opinion im leaning more towards that than mojave, seems you got a gonga...then again do lesser pastels cost as much as mojave pastels even though lessers are eassily a good 300-500 dollars more, if not more than that. Not up to date on my lesser pricing but im pretty sure i seen one for 800 recently, and a niiiice mojave should max out around 400 for a male..

I did NOT buy the snake! I just took one (bad) picture of it because i thought it was pretty. There are a few people that say its a pastel lesser but wouldnt they cost WAY more that $1100? Also, I can't get a better picture because I saw it at an expo on sunday and theres no telling where that snake is now.

I think I see a Hypo in there...

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

The seller is yellowbellyballs.com (the only problem is that there is no mention of these snakes on their website)

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I think I saw a Pastave at their table at the NARBC show in Arlington,Tx.

I only spent a few minutes with them but they seemed like stand up guys that know their stuff.

Hope this helps

Mike

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

I did NOT buy the snake! I just took one (bad) picture of it because i thought it was pretty. There are a few people that say its a pastel lesser but wouldnt they cost WAY more that $1100? Also, I can't get a better picture because I saw it at an expo on sunday and theres no telling where that snake is now.

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ooo cool gotcha...dont know why i assumed you bought it....my b

So from this whole thread, i can tell that no one knows what kind of morph it is? Anyone got anymore ideas?

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

So from this whole thread, i can tell that no one knows what kind of morph it is? Anyone got anymore ideas?

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Thats the thing its not a morph but a combo of morphs.
It is much easier to pick out a single morph than a combination of morphs. When you have combos there are always going to be variations as one morph can influence the look much stronger than the other. I can show you two different pics of the cinny/enchi combo that look completely different. There are also some mojaves that look alot like lessers and then when you combine them with pastels that influence can take over or be in the background.

The point is there are several variables that you are not taking into consideration when discussing combos. Not as simple as you may think because once again it is not a single morph(which can vary alot on its own) but a combination of morphs which can vary even more.

Maybe you should do some research instead of some wiseguy comments;)

wasnt intended to come across like that im sorry...

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

wasnt intended to come across like that im sorry...

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No worries:)

So im getting the gist that pretty much everyone thinks its a pastel lesser, am i right?

I vote pastel lesser.

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

So im getting the gist that pretty much everyone thinks its a pastel lesser, am i right?

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The problem is the picture makes it very hard to determine what it is. For reference here are a couple of pictures of two different Pastel Mojaves.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...08_1_800_1.jpg

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...08_2_800_3.jpg

I hope this helps.:gj:

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Thats the thing its not a morph but a combo of morphs.
It is much easier to pick out a single morph than a combination of morphs. When you have combos there are always going to be variations as one morph can influence the look much stronger than the other. I can show you two different pics of the cinny/enchi combo that look completely different. There are also some mojaves that look alot like lessers and then when you combine them with pastels that influence can take over or be in the background.

The point is there are several variables that you are not taking into consideration when discussing combos. Not as simple as you may think because once again it is not a single morph(which can vary alot on its own) but a combination of morphs which can vary even more.

Maybe you should do some research instead of some wiseguy comments;)

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What is this one
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...d21001/031.jpg

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Originally Posted by bigred21001

What is this one
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...d21001/031.jpg

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Don't know about everyone else but I think it's a snake



:gj:

Heres an adult lesser pastel

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC02195.jpg

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC02184.jpg

Thanks guys for the pics, can anyone give me an estimate of how much pastel lessers cost? If it is around 1100 dollars then i think you who say pastel lesser are probably right

Looks like a Pastel Lesser or Pastel Butter to me.

Ya i think ima go with pastel lesser, any1 no about the prices on those?

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Originally Posted by bigred21001

What is this one
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...d21001/031.jpg

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Sulfur or Fire Mojave would be my guess.

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Originally Posted by Eric Sandoval

Sulfur or Fire Mojave would be my guess.

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Agreed

Ya but please make your own thread if you want to i.d. your own snakes.... thanks:weirdface

Hey guys,
Sorry for the nooby thread and horrible picture, but can you please hhelp me identify the snake in this picture? I took about 5 seconds to filter out everything unimportant, so it looks very sloppy.
Heres the pic:
http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/o...P1010030-1.jpg
I saw this snake at the Tampa expo a few months ago but didnt take a good pic of it. I forgot to ask the morph even though I asked the price :rofl:
I have a hunch, but I dont want to sway peoples' opinions.
Thanks,

The answers you got in this 5 page long thread weren't good enough for you??
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86711

My guess is pastel butter or pastel lesser. That is just a guess though.

It is a Pastel Lesser or Pastel Butter.

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Originally Posted by kc261

The answers you got in this 5 page long thread weren't good enough for you??
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=86711

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Ummm, I never got a definite answer, so I thought I would try again, making the snake in question more obvious. Please don't be so mean...

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

It is a Pastel Lesser or Pastel Butter.

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Originally Posted by PythonChick

My guess is pastel butter or pastel lesser. That is just a guess though.

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That is what I thought!
Thanks for your quick and accurate replies,

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

Ummm, I never got a definite answer, so I thought I would try again, making the snake in question more obvious. Please don't be so mean...

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Without knowing the genetics of the animal, no one can give you a definite answer. All of the mojave/lesser/butter morphs can sort of bleed into one another. It is very possible to have mojave's that look like lessers or lessers that look like butters, etc, etc. The only way to know for sure would be to ask the original breeder what the parents were.

Yeah, look at this: http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html the picures look exactly like what I saw. I understand that mojos/lessers/butters can be very similar :)