Someone explain to me why lessers/butters cost so much more than mojos

I mean they both look great, they both throw some sick combos, they both make BELs... I'm going to be getting 2 or 3 morph males in a few months, one of which is going to be a mojo/lesser/butter. I personally like the lesser the best but money is an issue. I'll still probably go with what I like and suck it up but I just wonder why the difference in price. Is that just the way the market goes or does the lesser/butter just make cleaner, nicer morphs or what?

I apologize if this is a noob question but I'm just trying to educate myself on things like this before I buy anything.

Theres alot more mojos on the market, and alot of people have them already. Lesser butters are also a little higher in demand with all of the combos they are put into that look cleaner than when mixed with mojos.

I think that lessers make the cleanest brightest BELs. I have mojaves, because I personally like the look of a mojave best, including some of the combos. Most people like lessers and the combos of lessers better, so there' more demand, and less supply.

Think about how many snows you see these days? The "snow" which originally was the "white snake", now looks messy compared to a real BEL with no pattern.

If you'll wait the price will go down. My first pastel was $100 from a local breeder, that pastel's mother was $2000 when she was bought as a baby. The co-doms and etc others are going down as we speak. The recessives are going down but nowhere near as fast. I heard that seven or eight years ago spiders were 20k!

Another reason is that MKR destroyed the mojave market early on in the project, so they pretty much started out cheaper than lessers, and went down from there. A lot of people also seem to like lessers better, so the demand is higher. I personally like mojaves better than lessers for a lot of projects.

Who/what is MKR?

Yeah I'm a noob too, just trying to learn ;)

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Originally Posted by southernboagurl

Who/what is MKR?

Yeah I'm a noob too, just trying to learn ;)

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Morph King Reptiles... they notoriously had undercut the market price of many morphs although like Jake said mojaves were their big one.

The more common the gene is the cheaper it is.
Mojaves were first reproduced in 2000 while lessers were first produced in 2001 from RDR's 'platty daddy'.
Ralph kept most of his back to find out what was going on with the difference between the 'platty daddy' and the lessers.
Morph king first produced the super mojave in 2004. From there all babies from a siper mojave are mojaves; imagine 12 full clutches of mojos.
From there its easy to see how the market would go.
Ralph likes to hold onto things and keep the market value up(IMO=smart) while morph king would have had tons of baby mojaves they would want to move out quickly.
Then once everyone and their dog got those mojaves breeding you can see how the number of mojaves vs lessers would affect market prices and availability.

I have a Mojave male at the moment. I would love to add a lesser to the mix asap.

This was a great question: Its funny how a small difference in a gene (lesser and mojaves alleles reside on the same lucus) can be worth so much comparatively.

Albie:snake:

Yeah I figured someone flooded the market with them at one point. Is there any particular designer morph where the mojave works better than the lesser/butter or no? I honestly can't think of one off the top of my head. I guess the reason to own a mojo is if you are on a super tight budget and just want a white snake or you just personally like them better?

The super lesser is one of the whitest bel's out there the lesser
INMHO is a much nicer morph. The combos are sick I had to have a lesser

Well everyone is right on with the demand verses supply. I think you will find that lessers and butters will come down significantly this year and it might fit into your budget easier than you think. Everyone seems to be producing them so there will be more of them on the market. You will probably find a crasher to sell you one for around 300 bucks easy this year. If not cheaper maybe even 200.

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Yeah I figured someone flooded the market with them at one point. Is there any particular designer morph where the mojave works better than the lesser/butter or no? I honestly can't think of one off the top of my head. I guess the reason to own a mojo is if you are on a super tight budget and just want a white snake or you just personally like them better?

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Have you seen the YB/Mojo/sulfur? I doubt a lesser would look anything like it, and it's one of my favorite combos so far.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ghlight=sulfur

I also imagine that the mojave albino will be a lot cooler than a lesser albino. The crystals are pretty cool, too.

I think the Mojave stock went way up when these little babies were produced. They are Mystic Potions (Mystic to Mojave). The Lesser version of these (Phantom to Lesser) is just another white snake.

http://www.albeysreptiles.com/images...potion_new.jpg

Like Jake mentions above the Crystal (Special to Mojave) is an incredible combo and is much better looking than the Crystal Lesser (Special to Lesser).

Personally I like all three of them for different reasons and I imagine in a year or so they will be pretty evenly priced.

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Originally Posted by snakedork

Well everyone is right on with the demand verses supply. I think you will find that lessers and butters will come down significantly this year and it might fit into your budget easier than you think. Everyone seems to be producing them so there will be more of them on the market. You will probably find a crasher to sell you one for around 300 bucks easy this year. If not cheaper maybe even 200.

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I'd be amazed at this, spiders aren't even that and everyone has a spider lol. I'd like the price to come down but who knows. Gah, I need to decide what I want to get and how much of what and how much to start with etc...

I think Albey has a good point about the Mojo holding it's value due to the great combinations you can produce with it.

And, that Mystic Potion is insanely freakin' hot!!!!

I think a morph that looks good is Pinstripe x Mojo = Jigsaw:gj:

I suggest you get both. Thats what I did;)

Correct me if im wrong, and I may be wrong but I belive a lesser x pied = all white snake, where a mojo x pied is patterned. Between the two I'd take to mojo cross.

I'm thinking I might take a hard left and grab a fire/sulfur if I'm going to get a $600 single co-dom since they're still holding value. Starting to think I might want to just get a mojo and wait for the prices of the lessers to drop as I don't want to pay $600 for a lesser when they'll be half that next year. Looks like the fires will be holding value for a little while longer? I mean I KNOW to go with what I like but I also have to think of finances. Hell, a sulfer mojave looks absolutely outstanding and not many people have them right now...

Supply and demand is the main reason why lessers cost more. I believe their price will drop but I doubt it will get cheaper than mojos this year.

I loved lessers since 2001. I don't care if lesser price drops to $0.50 I will still love them over a mojo. Also, the platty daddy, there is no mojave daddy or butter daddy(for those that say they are different). It may be a marketing thing but I am sure there is a high demand for a platty daddy.
Another thing, in my experiences I have seen some ugly mojaves but I have yet to see an ugly lesser.

In a not so personal opinion - I think it is definitely a matter of flavor. Some like the chocolate look of the mojave, others like the lighter look of the lesser. The majority of people out there like lighter, brighter colors hence the higher demand.


My 2 pennies- $0.02

the lessers got the mojave with the spider cross...the pics ive seen of mojaves with spiders have looked like normals....maybe im just looking in the wrong places...

anyways i dont know if anyone has sad this..but havent mojaves been around longer?? that explain that....i mean in one year with the price drop the way it is for these morphs...that i think is really the main thing that makes mojaves cheaper...if im wrong feel free to correct, not like yall need to hear that anywat....:D

There is a butter daddy.... I wonder what Ralphs hidden gene sibs would do when crossed with the mojo??? I would love to see that combo.....

Alan

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There is a butter daddy.... I wonder what Ralphs hidden gene sibs would do when crossed with the mojo??? I would love to see that combo.....

Alan

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Probably doesn't belong here but I just wanted to say hello to a fellow 11B