Hybrid any one?

I have been looking at the hybrids and I really like the Blood X Ball... AKA Super Ball

Now I am just in the beginning stages of planning this. I may never really do it just a neat idea?

So I am in the process of shopping right now. I am looking at breeding something pretty special, I just don't know what that is yet...

I am thinking a spider crossed with something blood...

I am just beginning to think about this so it will be several months if not a year before I even get the breeding stock to do this with. So I am not just jumping into this. Heck I haven't even began my ball python breeding projects yet...

Has any one had FIRST hand experience at this sort of thing? I know a few like VPI, BHB, and NERD has done this same hybrid.

I was initially thinking burm X ball but I really don't want a burm so this would not make sense for me to get something I have no desire to raise...


Maybe some day I will get into the big guys but for now lets keep it under 10'

Thanks for any positive input.

Mike

I'm not sure if morphs have been used in hybrids, or if the spider gene would be experessed in a hybrid combo.

there is one guy who tried a short tail X pastel ball but it didn't take. keep in mind that no one has successfully been able to cross a true blood to a ball yet. only the short tail has been used.

also you will have better luck with a male ball and female short tail due to the size differences.

check out this site for hybrid info hybridhaven.net.

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Originally Posted by hoax

I have been looking at the hybrids and I really like the Blood X Ball... AKA Super Ball

Now I am just in the beginning stages of planning this. I may never really do it just a neat idea?

So I am in the process of shopping right now. I am looking at breeding something pretty special, I just don't know what that is yet...

I am thinking a spider crossed with something blood...

I am just beginning to think about this so it will be several months if not a year before I even get the breeding stock to do this with. So I am not just jumping into this. Heck I haven't even began my ball python breeding projects yet...

Has any one had FIRST hand experience at this sort of thing? I know a few like VPI, BHB, and NERD has done this same hybrid.

I was initially thinking burm X ball but I really don't want a burm so this would not make sense for me to get something I have no desire to raise...


Maybe some day I will get into the big guys but for now lets keep it under 10'

Thanks for any positive input.

Mike

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i think the dwarf burms would be a great cross.

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Originally Posted by nixer

i think the dwarf burms would be a great cross.

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Doesn't the dwarf burms have a terrible temperament?

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Doesn't the dwarf burms have a terrible temperament?

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well considering that most i have seen for sale are w/c i dont think anyone can say if they are or not. ahile back i think it was camlon reptiles had some on ks they said the 2 w/c ones had typical w/c burm attitudes where the cb one they had didnt. so im guessing it would depend on the snake just like most other supposedly "mean" snakes.

perhaps someone here who has some will chime in on their experiences with the actual animals

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Originally Posted by hoax

Has any one had FIRST hand experience at this sort of thing? I know a few like VPI, BHB, and NERD has done this same hybrid.

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Could you please explain this? VPI to my knowledge has never bred a hybrid.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Could you please explain this? VPI to my knowledge has never bred a hybrid.

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I thought I had read that on their website. I could be wrong but I think they have or they are in the works of doing so...

Mike

The spider gene wouldnt be passed on to the Blood x Ball offspring. The spider allele is just for the python regius species and if they did have a spider blood then the genetics would be totally different.

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

The spider gene wouldnt be passed on to the Blood x Ball offspring. The spider allele is just for the python regius species and if they did have a spider blood then the genetics would be totally different.

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I would think that some of the Mutation would come through in the Hybrid form. The Carpondro (Carpet X GTP) has been successfully done with a Jag and the resulting hybrid babies did have Jag influence.

A couple of mis-conceptions here.

VPI has not and would not make ball/blood hybrids. Rouisis has done it and Nerd has made many hybrids,but not VPI

Another point, the mutations would absolutely show up in the hybrid offspring, and even though I find the idea revolting, it will and does work.

I can give you many examples of the EXACT SAME mutation occuring in multiple species independantly. These aniamsll have all the exact same genes, what makes them different is the expression of those genes.

Ever wonder why we have ivory balls, ivory retics and ivory bloods, all look pretty much the same and all are co doms with similar visual hets?

The Jaguar carpet is merely acarpet python version of the spider morph. Both are co-com, reduced pattern morphs with clear bellies and nuero problems, both are also lethal genes. Thats a whole lot of cooncidences isnt it?


Just look at the motley boas and the cinnamon balls. Both are dark co-doms with solid black/brown supers , and both the super cinnamon balls as well as the super motley boas have a deformed face!because its the same mutation.


The new Batik blood python morph is the same exact thing as the zebra jungle carpet morph.

Just look at the lucy retics, and compare to the black eyed luecistic balls, the visuall hets look the same and the lucies in both species have random yellow blothes, because its exactly the same mutation. If you could breed them together I would be anything that they are compatable, even across species lines.

Nick