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hi i have a normal and i need help with tank setup. do the most healthy snakes come from plastic tubs or does it matter, about to breed any suggestions please

I suggest rather than you worrying about breeding, that you learn how to care for a ball python first. :gj:

go with the above advice!:bow:

who says i cant take care of my python. everything in my setup is perfect size temp humidity etc etc.... i have a good snake no problem eating sheds perfect, very healthy

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Originally Posted by rocky88

hi i have a normal and i need help with tank setup.

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So then why do you need help with your tank setup?

If you read around a little bit, you find out that there are no health differences between snakes in tubs and cages.

Some might act a little different, though.

Sorry but you don't own a breedable sized female as far as I have seen in your other threads. You did mention purchasing a 2.5 foot female "tomarrow" in another thread but you certainly can't be expecting to toss her in with your current male and be "about" to breed them can you?

because i have never tried plastic im not familiar with it i'm familiar with glass, and why do i have to explain myself to you all i asked for was advice on how to make a good looking snake and you think just because you say im not ready for it im not gonna do it, i didnt ask for smart remarks i asked for help so if you dont wanna help i dont really wanna hear it k, thanks :)

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because i have never tried plastic im not familiar with it i'm familiar with glass, and why do i have to explain myself to you all i asked for was advice on how to make a good looking snake and you think just because you say im not ready for it im not gonna do it, i didnt ask for smart remarks i asked for help so if you dont wanna help i dont really wanna hear it k, thanks :)

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If you do not want reasonable advice from experienced snakekeepers and breeders then personally I'd suggest you not ask us questions. You don't appear to want to listen to any cautions given which are for your own best interst and more importantly for the snake's best interest. Sorry but you won't get canned responses here designed to pander to your ego.

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Hi i have a normal and i need help with tank setup. do the most healthy snakes come from plastic tubs or does it matter, about to breed any suggestions please

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Because i have never tried plastic im not familiar with it i'm familiar with glass, and why do i have to explain myself to you all i asked for was advice on how to make a good looking snake and you think just because you say im not ready for it im not gonna do it, i didnt ask for smart remarks i asked for help so if you dont wanna help i dont really wanna hear it k, thanks

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Did we ask for smart remarks? I was stating my opinion, and I know it rubbed you the wrong way. BUT, I see a problem when someone is asking for advise on how to set up a tank, asks if balls can be housed together, and wants to breed but "not a $40 dollar bp" all in the same night.

Sounds like you are jumping into this for some questionable reasons. You don't have to explain it to me, but how will your potential customers feel to know that you are looking to make a buck, and don't know some pretty basic things?

I suggest you slow down and read a bit, ask questions, learn and be humble. It will get you far, and show you in a respectable and good light. :gj:

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because i have never tried plastic im not familiar with it i'm familiar with glass, and why do i have to explain myself to you all i asked for was advice on how to make a good looking snake and you think just because you say im not ready for it im not gonna do it, i didnt ask for smart remarks i asked for help so if you dont wanna help i dont really wanna hear it k, thanks :)

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Rocky,

What is happening is that you are asking questions that insinuate that you are new to BPs, so therefore people are assuming that you are not at the stage where you should be considering breeding.

First comes top notch husbandry (and lots of research)... then come lots more research... then comes a second snake... then lots more research... then breeding.

Tubs are preferred as it is easier for most people to maintain proper husbandry in them. It can be done in tanks, but IMHO that falls into "advanced husbandry". Most people start with tanks, and may succeed, but it is a lot more work.

And it involves are a complete knowledge of husbandry, how to achieve it, and what the limitations are.

As well as concrete knowledge about your snake. Their communication is not verbal. If the snake is thriving in optimal conditions, then that is a SUCCESS!!! Anything short and your work is not close to being done.
That help?

Bruce

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hi i have a normal and i need help with tank setup. do the most healthy snakes come from plastic tubs or does it matter, about to breed any suggestions please

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Here you say you need help with tank set up......

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who says i cant take care of my python. everything in my setup is perfect size temp humidity etc etc.... i have a good snake no problem eating sheds perfect, very healthy

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Here you say you have a perfect set up......

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because i have never tried plastic im not familiar with it i'm familiar with glass, and why do i have to explain myself to you all i asked for was advice on how to make a good looking snake and you think just because you say im not ready for it im not gonna do it, i didnt ask for smart remarks i asked for help so if you dont wanna help i dont really wanna hear it k, thanks :)

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Do you want to know how to set up a tank, or a tub. When you say tank, we think glass. When you say tub, we think plastic.

You say you want advice on how to make a "good looking snake", but that is a breeding question, not a husbandry question. Lucky for you, we have a forum for both those here on the ole' BPnet.

And last but certainly not least, please try to use the english language in such a way that we can understand what you are trying to communicate. A period at the end of a sentence may be a bridge too far, but it would be nice.

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And last but certainly not least, please try to use the english language in such a way that we can understand what you are trying to communicate. A period at the end of a sentence may be a bridge too far, but it would be nice.

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I knew you'd pitch in on this! I KNEW IT! :banana:

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I knew you'd pitch in on this! I KNEW IT! :banana:

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Over 10,000 members on BPnet, and at least 4,296 of them KNOW this is a hot button issue with me :D

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...at least 4,296 of them KNOW this is a hot button issue with me :D

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I think it is 4,297 now.

Bruce

yes helped alot, thank you, and i have my glass setup exactly were it needs to be, dont mean to sound arrogant but everything is perfect, temp hum, feeding, shed, etc. and was just wanting to switch to plastic because this glass setup is alot of work. so it seems there were alot of mis-understanding. i want to get a snake soon, not breed soon i just want to get a snake that will breed with my normal and make a good looking snake. i was going to get one tomarrow but it was just another normal and changed my mind. i just want someone to give me a website of a good breeder so i can look at snakes that i can breed with my normal. i will buy it soon but not breed for about a year ( until my normal is of age) and by then i will have enough experience to breed. now please can someone just tell me how to setup a plastic and give me a website of good breeders so i can find a good snake that i can keep for a while till my normal is ready to breed. thats all i really wanted, instead of assuming i was going to bread right away you should have just asked. im sorry for any misunderstanding, can someone please help!!!!!!!!!! much appreciated, thank you!!!!!!!

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I think it is 4,297 now.

Bruce

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I know I have a rep for being harsh and nasty, but hey, I'm just an umpire...I call balls and strikes ;)

Not to belabor a point here but you typed "about to breed" so we did not assume anything. We can only go off what you provide us so perhaps you might want to spend more time being a little more clear in your wording rather than starting a ton of threads at one time and expecting us to know what you mean even when you don't type it clearly. Just a thought.

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yes helped alot, thank you, and i have my glass setup exactly were it needs to be, dont mean to sound arrogant but everything is perfect, temp hum, feeding, shed, etc. and was just wanting to switch to plastic because this glass setup is alot of work. so it seems there were alot of mis-understanding. i want to get a snake soon, not breed soon i just want to get a snake that will breed with my normal and make a good looking snake. i was going to get one tomarrow but it was just another normal and changed my mind. i just want someone to give me a website of a good breeder so i can look at snakes that i can breed with my normal. i will buy it soon but not breed for about a year ( until my normal is of age) and by then i will have enough experience to breed. now please can someone just tell me how to setup a plastic and give me a website of good breeders so i can find a good snake that i can keep for a while till my normal is ready to breed. thats all i really wanted, instead of assuming i was going to bread right away you should have just asked. im sorry for any misunderstanding, can someone please help!!!!!!!!!! much appreciated, thank you!!!!!!!

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We misunderstood, because you miscommunicated. That's on you, not us.

I would suggest you take your breeding question to the breeding forum, as that is the proper place for it. Also, I might suggest you go though and read some of the old threads in the breeding and the BP Morphs section. Most of your answers will be taken care of if you put in a little work and read throught the old posts.

As for a tub set up, do you want to set up a tub with a lid that will stand alone, or do you want to set up tubs in a rack system. The inside set up for either tub will be the same, but the heating will be different.

Inside the tub, all you need are a couple of hides, cool side / warm side, and a water bowl. Substrate can be anything you want, but newspaper is very common and easy to take care of.

If you want to use a rack, most come with built in heat that you will want to controll with a T-Stat. For stand alone tubs, you can use a UTH on a T-Stat.

One thing about forums, especially in the middle of the night... not a lot of people around.

Pick the one thing is most important. Ask that ONE thing. And give it a few days. Let the thread gain some momentuum and let some dialogue happen.

Seems you want some quick answers, when you are asking complex questions.

I studied genetics intensively for a good year before deciding what morph I wanted to get as myfirst. By the time I made the decision I had read about them, knew the combos they could produce, and I knew what made a good one and a bad one.

I was a very savvy shopper by the time I purchased something beyond my first normal male.

You started a thread on "good looking snake"... some options on doms and codoms were given.

Take that as a starting point, google those, read up on the morphs listed, look at pics, ask questions, etc.

It is not a quick process, and you are asking multiple questions.

As well... in each forum, at the top you will find STICKIES... these threads contain most of the information you are asking for.

I.e. BP Husbandry has stickies in it on how to set up an optimal tank and tub.

Read them, research them, and then ask questions.

You will be able to make sense of the answers you get if you have some base, rather than just expecting people to be able to lay it out for you.

It took me 4 months to get my first BP's ensclosure optimal. But I spent alot of time and energy on it, and now setting up a BP can take me less than five minutes. But that is because I researched, read, and did the hands on.

Bruce

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yes helped alot, thank you, and i have my glass setup exactly were it needs to be, dont mean to sound arrogant but everything is perfect, temp hum, feeding, shed, etc. and was just wanting to switch to plastic because this glass setup is alot of work. so it seems there were alot of mis-understanding. i want to get a snake soon, not breed soon i just want to get a snake that will breed with my normal and make a good looking snake. i was going to get one tomarrow but it was just another normal and changed my mind. i just want someone to give me a website of a good breeder so i can look at snakes that i can breed with my normal. i will buy it soon but not breed for about a year ( until my normal is of age) and by then i will have enough experience to breed. now please can someone just tell me how to setup a plastic and give me a website of good breeders so i can find a good snake that i can keep for a while till my normal is ready to breed. thats all i really wanted, instead of assuming i was going to bread right away you should have just asked. im sorry for any misunderstanding, can someone please help!!!!!!!!!! much appreciated, thank you!!!!!!!

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ok i think it has already been established that i am messed up and confused you guys by about to breed i mean the process is about to start. for me- step one finding a good female to breed with my normal(when he is of age) by time the female and male is ready that'll be a year or so from now and by then im sure i wont have to ask all these stupid questions. so yea im wrong k is that what all of you wanted im the stupid kid that thinks he knows everything and is really just an idiot right. all i want to do is start the process of bredding which again by that i mean getting a female and learning how to setup a plastic. if you can help then please help i would appreciate it if you dont want to and you just wanna keep ganging up on me and bullying me then i dont wanna hear it ok. but if you can help me find a website for a good breeder and, help me with a plastic setup i would appreciate it, ok thank you :)

I think another thing that you have to remember, is that you should be a little more concerned with the female. If you try to breed too early, and she is not ready, you may end up getting her egg-bound, and possibly kill her. I recommend just sitting back and using the search feature along the top menu bar. You may be able to find all the information that you need, without having to deal with people like me...

Research, research, and more research.

alright im done i cant deal with you guys any more. i will not breed to soon i just want a female, have it for a while ( a year or so till the male and female are ready) all i am asking is where to find a breeder so i can buy a female and house her in her own setup for a year or so till they are both ready. do you guys understand what i am trying to ask yet.. if you do can you tell me a way to find out the proper single tub setup and a breeder to go to, to get a female(again not going to breed any time soon just going to house it till she and he are both ready)

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ok i think it has already been established that i am messed up and confused you guys by about to breed i mean the process is about to start. for me- step one finding a good female to breed with my normal(when he is of age) by time the female and male is ready that'll be a year or so from now and by then im sure i wont have to ask all these stupid questions. so yea im wrong k is that what all of you wanted im the stupid kid that thinks he knows everything and is really just an idiot right. all i want to do is start the process of bredding which again by that i mean getting a female and learning how to setup a plastic. if you can help then please help i would appreciate it if you dont want to and you just wanna keep ganging up on me and bullying me then i dont wanna hear it ok. but if you can help me find a website for a good breeder and, help me with a plastic setup i would appreciate it, ok thank you :)

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Are you kidding me? Did you actually, SERIOUSLY type this up, and POSTED it?

We're bullying you? Ganging up on you? Because you're the KID that doesn't know anything?

I'll tell you what man.

I'm a kid. I'm probably younger than you are. When I make a mistake, I apologize, continue researching, and then ask more questions. I don't start telling people they're bullying me.

And if that's what we wanted to do, gang up on people, then why do we always help out people that need some advice? If that was so you wouldn't be the only one complaining right now.

Morph guides:

www.8ballpythons.com
www.newenglandreptile.com

Those are my favorites.

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ok i think it has already been established that i am messed up and confused you guys by about to breed i mean the process is about to start. for me- step one finding a good female to breed with my normal(when he is of age) by time the female and male is ready that'll be a year or so from now and by then im sure i wont have to ask all these stupid questions. so yea im wrong k is that what all of you wanted im the stupid kid that thinks he knows everything and is really just an idiot right. all i want to do is start the process of bredding which again by that i mean getting a female and learning how to setup a plastic. if you can help then please help i would appreciate it if you dont want to and you just wanna keep ganging up on me and bullying me then i dont wanna hear it ok. but if you can help me find a website for a good breeder and, help me with a plastic setup i would appreciate it, ok thank you :)

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alright im done i cant deal with you guys any more. i will not breed to soon i just want a female, have it for a while ( a year or so till the male and female are ready) all i am asking is where to find a breeder so i can buy a female and house her in her own setup for a year or so till they are both ready. do you guys understand what i am trying to ask yet.. if you do can you tell me a way to find out the proper single tub setup and a breeder to go to, to get a female(again not going to breed any time soon just going to house it till she and he are both ready)

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Are you EVEN reading the freakin' answers we are posting to your freakin' questions? I answered your freakin' tub question on the last freakin' page, and I also told you to take your freakin' breeding questions to the freakin' breeding forum....not because I think you are a stupid kid:rolleyes: but because that's where you'll get the best freakin' answers to your questions. No body ganged up on you....yet. Best I can tell, people here are trying to answer your freakin' questions with out treating you like a freaking New Guy Rookie. If you really want to be treated like a freakin' New Guy Rookie, just keep plowing the row of onions you're on right now. :mad:

I am so sorry. I forgot to translate your posts, before I made mine. I will do so now, and post it for all to read.


"Do my research for me. Read my mind. Don't pick on me."

We were trying to help you. There are many threads, on many subjects here at B-P.net. Some of them give the exact info that you would like to know. :gj:

P.S. If you want a really "good" snake, you may need to save up. I know I do. You have time to research, aquire everything, and hopefully get it right the first time.

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I'm a kid. I'm probably younger than you are. When I make a mistake, I apologize, continue researching, and then ask more questions. I don't start telling people they're bullying me.

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Dutch, he's 21 according to his user info.

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Dutch, he's 21 according to his user info.

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Yeah looked at that. But maybe it's not true, IDK.

Doesn't matter though, I'm a lot younger than he is.

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Doesn't matter though, I'm a lot younger than he is.

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And a million miles more mature :gj:

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And a million miles more mature :gj:

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Thanks bro. No personal offense to this "kid", but people like him on this forum make people like me look bad.

Whatever.

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Thanks bro. No personal offense to this "kid", but people like him on this forum make people like me look bad.

Whatever.

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Your are wise beyond your years, you can spell correctly and you know how to use both a comma and a period....and, this isn't even your first language!!!! No one makes you look bad, my friend.

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Your are wise beyond your years, you can spell correctly and you know how to use both a comma and a period....and, this isn't even your first language!!!! No one makes you look bad, my friend.

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We're a rare breed, us correctly-using-grammar-and-spelling Dutch folks...

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for me- step one finding a good female to breed with my normal(when he is of age) by time the female and male is ready that'll be a year or so from now and by then im sure i wont have to ask all these stupid questions.

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Just a quick FYI, unless you purchase a female that is an adult and already ready to breed or close to it, you will not be breeding a year from now.

Let's say you do your research and you purchase this female 6 months from now. She will need to be quarantined for a minimum of 90 days prior to introduction with your male. So, if you purchase a female hatchling 6 months from now, and add 3 months for QT and another 3 months to make the time frame be one year from now, you still only have a 7 month old or so female. Purchase an adult and after the 3 month QT she may be settled enough to breed, but maybe not. Shipping and a new environment is stressful and not all females will go for you right away or even in the first year that they are in your possession if they are not comfortable and ready. Just something to keep in mind.

i think it's probably a fairly safe bet that this cat is no longer interested in reading replies in this thread.