what is best python to breed with normal bp

i have a normal bp and was wanting to breed it but dont want to with just another normal because i'm looking to get more than 40 dollars a snake.just curious what other breed of python can i breed with my normal that can give me more money and looks pretty cool. please help, new and curious, please!!!!!!!! much appreciated

anything co-dom or dominant. pastel, spider, mojave, etc... you'll have to spend a good amount of cash to get a breedable one..... and of course quarantine first so you will have to wait probably til next year to breed. not something you can really do off the bat. I dont have any experience personally breeding but read alot so I think I know but im sure others will chime in as well. and as for the $$ well hopefully you are doing it for the love of the hobby and snakes not just for money.

i to only have normal girls breeding this year. the way to go is breed her with a spider or a co dom just stay away from a recessive gene when starting out. thats just my 2 cents different people will tell you diff things. but good luck

i have a normal male. do you know any good breeder web-site to go to, so i can find a good snake i like to breed with my male normal

Didn't I just read in your other thread that you'd already arranged to buy a female tomorrow?

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I have a baby bp about 2-3 months old about 18-20 inchs. and i am buying another tomarrow not sure how old but is like 2 1/2 feet. the one i have is a male and the one i am buying tomarrow is a female

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As well you describe your current normal male bp as...

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I have a baby bp about 2-3 months old about 18-20 inchs.

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Are you aware of how much stress breeding a very young male snake puts on him. Most people do not breed males of 2 or 4 months of age and the only ones that do try it tend to be highly experienced breeders.

i am not going to breed him as soon as i get the other snake. but i want to get a female ( not sure of what breed) and then raise them for about a year then have them breed. i wasnt going to try to have a 3 month old snake try and mate :)

and my dad is getting one. just a normal. but i want to get one soon that will make a really good looking snake just wondering if you got any suggestions and if so where i could find one ie. website, name, company????

Well Rocky it's very confusing to try and answer you with any clarity when you refer to yourself in another thread just posted here as being "about to breed".

Not to mention, you have a normal male, so you need to buy a morph female to breed to him. To get one ready to breed next year will cost you a ton of money, so I assume you're planning on buying an '08 because they are cheaper and then breed it next year, but a female takes several years to be ready.

To be honest with you, you can't breed a relatively cheap snake with a normal and get amazing offspring. I mean, you can get a mojave ($200-400 ?), breed that to a normal, get some (50% chance) mojaves, and then after a few years you can breed those back and MAYBE produce some blue-eyed leucistics (25% chance).

This is just an example of how long it'll take...

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Originally Posted by rocky88

i have a normal bp and was wanting to breed it but dont want to with just another normal because i'm looking to get more than 40 dollars a snake.just curious what other breed of python can i breed with my normal that can give me more money and looks pretty cool. please help, new and curious, please!!!!!!!! much appreciated

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The best "breed" to mate with a ball python is obviously another ball python. I have heard of breeding them to blood pythons to make something called "superballs" but If you are refering to what ball python morph would be good I would say it depends entirely on your budget and what you are looking to get If you have the money By all means I say a blue eyed luecy or a pied but again you are going to shell out a pretty penny especially for a breedable female male morphs tend to be cheaper so I would say but a normal female and a morph male but thats me as far as a wedsite goes check out www.bhbreptiles.com or just type in ball python morphs or breeders and you can comb through them

That really depends on how much you're willing to spend. A pastel isn't too pricey and will probably fit your price range. If you want to go bigge then maybe a super pastel or a lesser. Really any codom/dom morph would be good like someone said previously. It's really how much you want to spend on it.

How long have you had BPs?
How much research have you done?
Do you know the difference between a "breed" and a "morph"?
How much money are you willing to spend?

No one can choose for you. If you decide to breed your snake(s) it is totally up to you as to what morph you choose.
You have a computer please use it, go to Google, or Yahoo, and look up all you can about breeding.
Also consider, that having a snake for 2 or 3 months does not make you ready to breed.
And another thing, getting a female morph that is a year away from breeding size is going to cost you, a lot more than if you got a hatchling and raised it up for 3+ years.

Breeding snakes costs money!! dont look a this as a way to make money. I have around 10grand into my animals so far and I havent made !@#!.
Granted I have hopes for this year but the whole process is costly.With the way the economy is going we are looking at reduced demand for BPs and therefore reduced prices.
IE I paid $800 for a spider ball python last year. this year he is worth 400 or so since he's really nice.
Take a look at feeding requirements, prices on incubators, and how much it would cost to set up the proper housing with temperature control etc for breeder snakes.
Think about vet costs. what are you going to do if your expensive female morph gets sick after you spend years raising her up to be breeder sized??
The last thing you should consider is that it is a year between breeding seasons. Thats a really long time to wait. If you really want to make money in the reptile industry think about raising feeders. ASFs and Rats are always in demand. My buddy pays for his snake hobby (~50 animals, lots of NICE morphs) by breeding rats in his garage.


Best of luck; just make sure you research in depth before spending alot of money.

Albie

You could get a yellow belly for under 200 dollars. But if your doing this to make money this isn't the way to go. You need to spend money to make money. You wont make any money breeding a normal ball to any morph for several years. If you really want to make money you should buy an unrelated pair of a cheaper morph like a yellow belly and breed them together. Then you have a 25%chance of making Ivories which go for around a grand. But the prices are always dropping. In another couple years Ivories will be selling for 300 dollars.
Do your research and get all the propper equipment for breeding and plan on spending lots of money.

Usually people get an expensive male and use normal females to breed to the mutated males. If you want to breed for expensive hatchlings, I'd suggest buying an '08 female pastel, YB, mojave, cinnamon, etc and start to raise her up while reading as much as you can about husbandry and breeding. Then in a year buy a nice '09 male morph. It will take the female 2 years to raise up to a healthy breeding size, and if you get a male next year he will be cheaper than buying the same morph this year. With proper husbandry and feeding, he should be ready to breed to your female after a year. Then you'd have two years of reading and experience under your belt, so when the time to breed comes you will have a good grasp of what's going on. So if you buy a female mojave now, then a male pastel next year, when the time comes you will hatch out mojaves, pastels, pastaves and normals, and the following year you can breed a nice pastave male back to the mojave mom and hatch out mojaves, pastels, pastaves, BELs, pastel BELs and normals.

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bumblebee!! invest in a bee & you can get some cool morphs don't just breed normals its not worth it .

I'm just going to post my question here--I have a norm male and female, what are ALL the dominate or co-dominate morphs? and, what exactly does that mean? If I get a dominate, will the offspring ALWAYS be the dominate morph?

(sorry, new to genetics. Sorry if this has already been posted. I skimmed and didn't see)

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Originally Posted by Flicker

I'm just going to post my question here--I have a norm male and female, what are ALL the dominate or co-dominate morphs? and, what exactly does that mean? If I get a dominate, will the offspring ALWAYS be the dominate morph?

(sorry, new to genetics. Sorry if this has already been posted. I skimmed and didn't see)

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Here's a partial list of ball python base mutations with explainations: www.jwexotics.com/morphs
I hope this is helpful.

thank you guys for all the help and i'm not in it just for the money, if that was true i would go back to doing something easy like breeding dogs. I love everything about ball pythons. so why not make a few dollars while im having fun. And i was thinking about getting 1.1 het albino and a female albino. would that be a good idea or is there something else i should get instead of one of them to produce a larger variety of bp's. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most good breeders dont make too much money off breeding dogs either with all the health testing and medical care needed to ensure you are breeding healthy dogs. To me breeding for money is one of the most irresponsible and selfish things one can do... these are animals lives in OUR hands!

My personal opinion is to leave the breeding up to people who know what they are doing... like who have owned BPs for a long time and have done all their research. I guess from working in a shelter and having to euthanize a lot of animals in my life, you start to really think who breeds animals. I am ok with breeding as long as it is done responsibly with mammals and reptiles alike. Make sure you know what you are getting into and you wont be irresponsible about doing so.

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Originally Posted by rocky88

thank you guys for all the help and i'm not in it just for the money, if that was true i would go back to doing something easy like breeding dogs. I love everything about ball pythons. so why not make a few dollars while im having fun. And i was thinking about getting 1.1 het albino and a female albino. would that be a good idea or is there something else i should get instead of one of them to produce a larger variety of bp's. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm thinking if you got a 1.1 het bino, then get a male albino. Then you can get that same male albino paired with all your other females in the same season to get more het binos with different combos. But then, I'm not a breeder... just thinking logically, is all.

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Originally Posted by pitbulls4me

Most good breeders dont make too much money off breeding dogs either with all the health testing and medical care needed to ensure you are breeding healthy dogs. To me breeding for money is one of the most irresponsible and selfish things one can do... these are animals lives in OUR hands!

My personal opinion is to leave the breeding up to people who know what they are doing... like who have owned BPs for a long time and have done all their research. I guess from working in a shelter and having to euthanize a lot of animals in my life, you start to really think who breeds animals. I am ok with breeding as long as it is done responsibly with mammals and reptiles alike. Make sure you know what you are getting into and you wont be irresponsible about doing so.

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ok that is your opinion and thank you. but i'm not planning on breeding tomarrow. im just starting to read up on all of it figure out the ins and out ups downs all around. but that statement about good dog breeders not making good money is not true. coming from an ex dog breeder. i used to breed am staffs, bull dogs and pitbulls. And yes you do make good money if you are good with money also. i had a new batch of puppies every 11 months and each time would have anywhere from 30-50 puppies and not one of them going for less than 1300. you do the math, that is pretty good. and the expenses were just vet check ups, food, and housing wich never went above 6000 a year. so if an extra 40000 a year(at the least) on the side isnt good you must be pretty rich. and for it being irresponsible, i always met the people i was selling them to and if i thought for one second they were not going to be taken care of the sell didnt happen. and if a good person is paying an average of 1600 for a dog they arent going to neglect them. And there is my opinion, thank you. oh and ANATESS, i dont have other females i was just going to get one male het albino one female het albino and a female albino. therefore i breed the hets and will have like a 25% chance of albinos and then breed the het with the albino and have a greater chance of more albinos. does that seem like a good idea or is there something else i can put with the hets to get a greater variety of bp's. And again for all of you that believe i am in it just for the money, really i am not scouts honor. i really like everything about ball pythons and want to have fun bringing life to snakes it just wouldnt hurt to try and sell a few after they are born to try and make my money back that went into all of my snakes. and hey you never know maybe Ill get good at it and be able to have a fun filled bp filled life... i know that last part was korny but thats how i feel about the situation. THANK YOU ALL THAT ARE HELPING ME, AND GIVING GREAT ADVICE!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by rocky88

ok that is your opinion and thank you. but i'm not planning on breeding tomarrow. im just starting to read up on all of it figure out the ins and out ups downs all around. but that statement about good dog breeders not making good money is not true. coming from an ex dog breeder. i used to breed am staffs, bull dogs and pitbulls. And yes you do make good money if you are good with money also. i had a new batch of puppies every 11 months and each time would have anywhere from 30-50 puppies and not one of them going for less than 1300. you do the math, that is pretty good. and the expenses were just vet check ups, food, and housing wich never went above 6000 a year. so if an extra 40000 a year(at the least) on the side isnt good you must be pretty rich. and for it being irresponsible, i always met the people i was selling them to and if i thought for one second they were not going to be taken care of the sell didnt happen. and if a good person is paying an average of 1600 for a dog they arent going to neglect them. And there is my opinion, thank you.

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And I am not going to spend a lot of time arguing but did the dogs have titles? What about show or competetion fees. Without proving your dogs worth of breeding then to me it is irresponsible. There are enough pretty dogs out there dying in shelters every day. I know of a lab breeder who sells her pups for $2000 a piece. But the parents also have titles like crazy. So money from the puppies goes back to pay for the titling of the parents and health testing for every puppy she produces. And to me the way you were breeding dogs seems very irresponsible.... breeding the dogs so often and what not. But again my opinion and I am done with it... some people you can bring out of their way.

After seeing his other posts I, for one, hope he never ever breeds anything...

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Originally Posted by pitbulls4me

And I am not going to spend a lot of time arguing but did the dogs have titles? What about show or competetion fees. Without proving your dogs worth of breeding then to me it is irresponsible. There are enough pretty dogs out there dying in shelters every day. I know of a lab breeder who sells her pups for $2000 a piece. But the parents also have titles like crazy. So money from the puppies goes back to pay for the titling of the parents and health testing for every puppy she produces. And to me the way you were breeding dogs seems very irresponsible.... breeding the dogs so often and what not. But again my opinion and I am done with it... some people you can bring out of their way.

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yes they were all proven had champ lines and were all proven champ sired. And really the titles arent as expensive as you make it seem. and i only breed a female 2 times and then sold her. and i didnt get her pregnant right after the pups poped out. I gave them a year break. and i was able to do this because i had 3 pit females 3 am staff females and 2 bulldog females. and one male of each. by time the females had there pups 2 seperate times over a 3 year period they were sold and then 2-3 pups of each were kept to breed then the rest were sold. I know you guys thinks im not to bright and irresponsible but really i care about all kinds of animals and would never do anything to harm them. and making a dog have 2 litters over a 3 year period is not dangerous. and i know you say you dont want to argue and neither do i. I just wanted to put my two cents in and show im not a ignorant or irresposible. i am trying to learn about genetics and breeding bp's and until i am sure i have it down i will not attempt it so to everybody PLEASE STOP GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE JUST BECAUSE I AM ASKING QUESTIONS. correct me if i am wrong but that is what this web site was made for right, to help eachother help there pythons, correct?

i just got my female ball 2 dude...shes only like 5 months old pretty sure. i think breeding is an amazing thing something that i definately want to do some day...but i want to wait a few years to get to know my python pretty well...atleast 2 and a half to 3 years before I even consider breeding. who knows how i will feel about it in 3 years...if i truly want to do it then my passion will still be there for breeding in time...

thats just me though. if u wanna jump the gun and get all rdy to breed alrdy then thats ur choice no one can stop you really.

btw dude no one likes to read walls of text man. try shortnin posts down and spacin stuff out a lil bit..just some advice.

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Originally Posted by rocky88

yes they were all proven had champ lines and were all proven champ sired. And really the titles arent as expensive as you make it seem. and i only breed a female 2 times and then sold her. and i didnt get her pregnant right after the pups poped out. I gave them a year break. and i was able to do this because i had 3 pit females 3 am staff females and 2 bulldog females. and one male of each. by time the females had there pups 2 seperate times over a 3 year period they were sold and then 2-3 pups of each were kept to breed then the rest were sold. I know you guys thinks im not to bright and irresponsible but really i care about all kinds of animals and would never do anything to harm them. and making a dog have 2 litters over a 3 year period is not dangerous. and i know you say you dont want to argue and neither do i. I just wanted to put my two cents in and show im not a ignorant or irresposible. i am trying to learn about genetics and breeding bp's and until i am sure i have it down i will not attempt it so to everybody PLEASE STOP GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE JUST BECAUSE I AM ASKING QUESTIONS. correct me if i am wrong but that is what this web site was made for right, to help eachother help there pythons, correct?

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Rocky, how did you learn all the stuff you know about breeding dogs? Was it self taught through research, or did you have a family member who taught you the ropes?

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Originally Posted by Slim

Rocky, how did you learn all the stuff you know about breeding dogs? Was it self taught through research, or did you have a family member who taught you the ropes?

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me and my friend both got an american staffordshire terrior when we were about 12 and then a year later got 2 more and then just kept building up with the other breeds and while we were in the process of getting all the dogs we had planned to get(4 years) we studied studied STUDIED!!! Really thats all i am trying to do here and if the time comes that i have all my bp's and still dont know what im doing, I wont do it until i know how to.

Did you know that most responsible breeders dont breed to thier own male.... its very rare that the male they own matches their females.... (example weak hind quartered female would be bred to a stronger hind quarter male) You know matching the females weakness to a male that brings out the best quality in the puppies. So yes I still think that you were an irresponsible breeder using your 1 male to your 3 females... no way your odds are that good.

Champion lined and champion sired means nothing... the dogs being bred have to be proven. Papers dont prove a dog, a dog proves a dog. You got lucky I will say that, you got ignorant people to fall into the champion sired/lined crap. I commend you on that but most people will believe anything you tell them especially if they think they are getting high quality.

And its terriEr... most breeders.. even bad ones... know how to spell their breed.

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Originally Posted by rocky88

me and my friend both got an american staffordshire terrior when we were about 12 and then a year later got 2 more and then just kept building up with the other breeds and while we were in the process of getting all the dogs we had planned to get(4 years) we studied studied STUDIED!!! Really thats all i am trying to do here and if the time comes that i have all my bp's and still dont know what im doing, I wont do it until i know how to.

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Then actually study the stickies we constantly link you to and stop posting the same questions over and over again. We're not trying to be asses about this, it just gets really annoying after awhile when we tell you to READ ALL 160 PAGES OF THE STICKY and you just refuse. Basically that's an insult to people on here who are just trying to help you out when you keep coming back with the same questions you just asked when we already linked you the answers...

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Originally Posted by rocky88

yes they were all proven had champ lines and were all proven champ sired. And really the titles arent as expensive as you make it seem. and i only breed a female 2 times and then sold her. and i didnt get her pregnant right after the pups poped out. I gave them a year break. and i was able to do this because i had 3 pit females 3 am staff females and 2 bulldog females. and one male of each. by time the females had there pups 2 seperate times over a 3 year period they were sold and then 2-3 pups of each were kept to breed then the rest were sold. I know you guys thinks im not to bright and irresponsible but really i care about all kinds of animals and would never do anything to harm them. and making a dog have 2 litters over a 3 year period is not dangerous. and i know you say you dont want to argue and neither do i. I just wanted to put my two cents in and show im not a ignorant or irresposible. i am trying to learn about genetics and breeding bp's and until i am sure i have it down i will not attempt it so to everybody PLEASE STOP GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE JUST BECAUSE I AM ASKING QUESTIONS. correct me if i am wrong but that is what this web site was made for right, to help eachother help there pythons, correct?

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so you sold off your females when they wernt of use to you anymore? that shows you cared so much about your dogs and you were just in it for the money. Also you kept 2-3 pups to breed, so you inbred as well?

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Originally Posted by Nagini88

so you sold off your females when they wernt of use to you anymore? that shows you cared so much about your dogs and you were just in it for the money. Also you kept 2-3 pups to breed, so you inbred as well?

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While I don't think half the information he gives is accurate, most breeders of anything will hold back females and sell the rest. What do you think all the big snake breeders do? They hold back their best animals and sell the rest to keep the business going. It is a fine line but as long as the animals are healthy it is ok. As far as inbred, if he was stupid enough to breed a dog back to the father then he should never be allowed to keep animals again. With reptiles it seems like inbreeding is not really an issue unless you keep on doing it. Most double recessives are from brother/sister breedings and apparently the only way Ralph Davis could reproduce his true Platinum was to breed the "Daddy" back to his normal looking daughters.

Yeah, I know snakes are different. Dogs on the other hand get problems from inbreeding