Het for Super Stripe

Het for Super Stripe

Anybody have one of these, or know where to get one?

BrandonsBalls

The super form of an animal means that they are homozygous, so het for homozygous is just a heterozygous stripe. I would say that a stripe is het for super stripe like a pastel is het for super pastel.
You sould wait for someone a little more knowledgeable than me to step in though because I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

The super form of an animal means that they are homozygous, so het for homozygous is just a heterozygous stripe. I would say that a stripe is het for super stripe like a pastel is het for super pastel.
You sould wait for someone a little more knowledgeable than me to step in though because I could be wrong.

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I was told that a "het for super stripe" is the same concept as "het for ivory", which begs the question; what are the markers to identify a "het for super stripe", the same way there are markers or ways to identify a "het for ivory", which is the yellow belly.

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Yellow Belly X Specter is what makes the Super Stripe ;)

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Originally Posted by FIREball

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i was just going to post that

As stated above, super stripe is a combo of two different morphs. Some super stripes are yellow belly + specter and some are yellow belly + whirlwind and it's still not for sure if specter and whirlwind are the exact same thing or not.

While I'm never quite sure what "super" means I think Hock3ymonk3y is right that a super should be homozygous for one mutation, and to go further not a combo of two mutations. So I don't think there should be anything that is called a het super stripe. How would a yellow belly not be just as much a het super stripe as a specter or a whirlwind? It does sound like yellow belly and specter/whirlwind might be alleles (different mutations of the same gene). So far I've not heard of super stripe X normal producing any superstripes or normals, only the two super stripe ingredients.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

As stated above, super stripe is a combo of two different morphs. Some super stripes are yellow belly + specter and some are yellow belly + whirlwind and it's still not for sure if specter and whirlwind are the exact same thing or not.

While I'm never quite sure what "super" means I think Hock3ymonk3y is right that a super should be homozygous for one mutation, and to go further not a combo of two mutations. So I don't think there should be anything that is called a het super stripe. How would a yellow belly not be just as much a het super stripe as a specter or a whirlwind? It does sound like yellow belly and specter/whirlwind might be alleles (different mutations of the same gene). So far I've not heard of super stripe X normal producing any superstripes or normals, only the two super stripe ingredients.

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I would agree with Randy's facts/data. The use of the term "Het" for a codom animals has become outdated I would think. ;)

Actually I might be one of the original promoters for a new push in favor of using het for co-doms. I believe that heterozygous means having an unmatched pair of genes and applies perfectly to say a pastel with a pastel mutant copy from one parent and a normal for pastel copy from the other. Understanding that a pastel really is a het you can see why it has a 50/50 chance of passing the pastel mutation to each of its offspring.

It's using “het” for combos of different mutations that I'm finding confusing. Which is het for bumblebee, spider or pastel? I think a het pewter, crystal, super stripe, karma, or any other combo would be an unclear term.

I did see a discussion about a "super pewter". I guess since snake people made up super we can evolve it to mean whatever we want but I'm not so sure about a super of a combo. This animal was supposed to be both a homozygous pastel and a homozygous cinnamon (or black pastel, don't remember which) so I guess if anything is going to be a super combo that would be it.

They shoulda just called it a superb stripe and that woulda saved a ton of confusion!

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Actually I might be one of the original promoters for a new push in favor of using het for co-doms. I believe that heterozygous means having an unmatched pair of genes and applies perfectly to say a pastel with a pastel mutant copy from one parent and a normal for pastel copy from the other. Understanding that a pastel really is a het you can see why it has a 50/50 chance of passing the pastel mutation to each of its offspring.

It's using “het” for combos of different mutations that I'm finding confusing. Which is het for bumblebee, spider or pastel? I think a het pewter, crystal, super stripe, karma, or any other combo would be an unclear term.

I did see a discussion about a "super pewter". I guess since snake people made up super we can evolve it to mean whatever we want but I'm not so sure about a super of a combo. This animal was supposed to be both a homozygous pastel and a homozygous cinnamon (or black pastel, don't remember which) so I guess if anything is going to be a super combo that would be it.

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I smell what your cookin' Randy. :) When I play the "morph name game", I first think, "What is genetically logical"? Secondly, what is PRACTICAL.
Reality tells me that 90 out of 100 keepers with at least basic understanding of how genes work when confronted with the term "Het" are going to think -- normal looking offspring from a recessive breeding(Het Caramel/Pos Het Clown) etc..

I don't think I have ever heard anyone over the 2 years I have been keeping balls refer to a Het Super Pastel or Het Super Cinny. Pastel/Super Pastel seems to be -- practical AND logical.

The combos with 2 different mutations is different in kind I think. Best example is... HERE GOES ;)... the "Crystal project name turmoil" is taking place not because Tom Baker chose a name some folks did not like(Special). Whether it is the Special, Baker, or the Tutti Frutti matters not.

The problem, as I see it, is that one can't LOGICALLY, and PRACTICALLY, have a base morph -- Special, a homozygous from a Special x Special breeding being referred to a Super Crystal, and a 2 gene combo from a Special x Mojave being a Crystal.

I have a young male of the base morph in question. I am going to give him his first shot at breeding the end of the month -- a nice ripe Cinny girl saved special(no pun intended) -- just for him. :gj: Based on the above naming conventions, I get to name the combo, if hit it, ANYTHING I wish. If not, it would have to be called -- a Crystal. Problem is... there is already a morph with that name -- I think? :confused: I know!! I shall name it -- the Baker. :banana:

All drama aside, Tom Baker proved a TERRIFIC gene with great potential. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Fearless

They shoulda just called it a superb stripe and that woulda saved a ton of confusion!

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Oh man, I never until just now thought of the "super" in "super stripe" as being like the "super" in "super pastel". That's a whole new level of confusion, lol.

Bill, I'll grant you that I'm about the only one talking about het spiders etc. but I really do think when you start trying to predict breedings like bumble bee X pewter it will be easier if you think of both parents as the double hets they really are. Also, now that it looks like we have a dominant mutation we'll have to start talking about heterozygous and homozygous pinstripes.