Woma

Hey, I'm talking to a guy who has a Mojave and a Woma male available.
I have a good understanding of Mojave's genetic wise, and what can be created with them, but not so much about Womas.

I do understand Super Woma's aren't possible, but what about such things as Pastel Woma's, and others. Which would you find has more possibilities with, a Mojave, or the Woma?

That is a hard one to say.

The Mojave has a super form and mixes with other snakes to make blue eyed lucy's as well. On the same note that means you will never notice crossing it with a lesser, butter,... Pastel Mojaves look cool though. The Mojave is a pattern and color morph so it affects a large part of the genetics of a ball python already and may dilute other morphs you breed it with.

The Woma will cross into anything so far with a different result with each. Woma is pretty much a pattern only morph which means breeding it with color morphs will tend to cause a morph that should show both traits brought into play in a pronounced way. Womas on the other hand do not seem to carry the popularity like a mojave though.

Well i have a woma and a mojave so i guess its hard to say both animals bring a little something different to the ball.
I do like the mojave but i did pick up a butter this year too. As for the woma i really like the things it does as far as the hidden gene of nerd goes. Soul suckers are sweet and you need a woma to make them along with a lesser. So Hmm i would say get what you want its kind of a toss up. Your friends will notice that mojave alot faster than the woma the woma isn't a whole lot to look at its more of an adder morph than a visual. But ask brad boa he told me nice normal when he first saw my mojave as a joke so maybe im way off base with which one is more visable of a morph than the other.

Thanks, well at the moment I don't have the money to go about buying a Lesser or Butter to breed with a Woma, but I do like the look of that Woma Pastel. I think I may go with the Mojave as it has more value and I am acquiring either of these via a trade. I guess it will come down to when I go to see them.

Woma could get you pearls as well.

as far as I know, no pearl(super woma) has survived for very long, but I'd love to see it done!

Personally I'd get a woma, but that's just me.

Yeah those Pearls are all said to die, so I don't know if I'd want to put in a bunch of money and effort to create a bunch of snakes that just won't be able to survive. If they did survive well then that'd be awesome, but I don't want to be responsible for a bunch of dead snakes.

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Originally Posted by Enser54

Yeah those Pearls are all said to die, so I don't know if I'd want to put in a bunch of money and effort to create a bunch of snakes that just won't be able to survive. If they did survive well then that'd be awesome, but I don't want to be responsible for a bunch of dead snakes.

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YEah I agree with you on that. It's just too bad because the pearls look awesome.

The Pearl issue aside, I think the Woma is a morph that will gain in popularity as more combos come to light. Even though I think Womas are beautiful in their own right, some of the possible combos are going to be amazing when the projects start coming out. I'm personally talking to a few people about an Axanthic Woma project that I'd like to see.

A minor point, but for the small minority of folks who won't own a Spider because of the wobble issue, a Woma would be a good alternative.

I have a Mojave and am going to get a Woma. But then again I like a lot of morphs. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Slim

The Pearl issue aside, I think the Woma is a morph that will gain in popularity as more combos come to light. Even though I think Womas are beautiful in their own right, some of the possible combos are going to be amazing when the projects start coming out. I'm personally talking to a few people about an Axanthic Woma project that I'd like to see.

A minor point, but for the small minority of folks who won't own a Spider because of the wobble issue, a Woma would be a good alternative.

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I'm thinking due to the super issues with the Woma, but also the desirable reduced pattern that sometimes causes confussion with genetic banded/tiger balls you could see interest over time grow with both the Woma and Genetic Banded ball pythons, but the Genetic Banded to date does not carry the same issues that could come up breeding a Woma to a Woma. So lets say I was trying to make a super Pastel Woma, to do this I would have to breed a Woma to a pastel then take one of the pastel offspring and breed it back to the pastel or another pastel. With the genetic banded if it is a dom version of the gene I breed a banded to a pastel and hit the odds and got a female banded pastel and male banded pastel once the female is old enough but until then you could try breeding it back with mama pastel or another pastel. When the banded Pastel female did get old and large enough you really increase the odds of making what you want breeding a Genetic banded Pastel to a Genetic banded Pastel. Odds go from 1 in 8 to 3 in 16.