Salmon Boas

can you have a salmon BCC or is salmon only in BCI varieties?

Some crossed the salmon trait into BCC blood, but for the most part it's all BCI.

Oh I see... so they can be cross bred to get the aslmon trait in bcc... ok.. have there ever been any visusal salmon BCC?

Visual? As in pure BCC Hypos? No. The "salmon" trait is a name given to the "hypos" produced by Rich and John at Salmonboa.com. That's all they are, Salmon=Hypos. The Salmon trait is just a name given to the Hypos that STEM from Panamanian bloodlines. Like Orangetail is the name given to most Hypos from PURE Panamanian Central American bloodlines. 99.9% of the Hypos or Salmons you see marketed are mixed from one of those two bloodlines. The Salmons are outcrossed enough to be legitimately given the name Colombian, but they are not 100% pure Colombian.

Gotcha.. thanks.. so in other words my Salmon BCI is really a cross betweent he lines you mentioned.. ok I see you.. thanks

What does a typical Salmon Boa go for? I just picked up a 5 yo male who was breed at East Bay Viviariun in Berkley, CA. I go him from the original owner who is moving out of country.

Picked him up for $80 with his tank

I will have a pic tonight after my daughter goes to bed

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What does a typical Salmon Boa go for? I just picked up a 5 yo male who was breed at East Bay Viviariun in Berkley, CA. I go him from the original owner who is moving out of country.

Picked him up for $80 with his tank

I will have a pic tonight after my daughter goes to bed

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because of her patern and her color, I paid 200.00 for my lil girl. Well spent too.... she's pure awesome :banana::banana:

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because of her patern and her color, I paid 200.00 for my lil girl. Well spent too.... she's pure awesome :banana::banana:

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So 80 for the male is pretty good? He's a bit smaller than I expected, 4ft, and the previous owner has him on F/T large mice.

I have live rats for my BP that I already have and was curious as to if it would be okay if I switched the boa to live rats, possibly PK if he wont take live

I was a live feeder but found it easier to feed f/t when I got my boa.. I used to feed my balls Live but as they get larger it may be a problem feeding rats to snakes live.. rats tend to fight back... lol but i'd try p/k or f/t over live any day now... all mine are finally on f/t so U'd go f/t or pk JMO

Salmon BCI 5yo male...just picked up tonight. Camera sucks for close ups sorry

Previous owner said his tail was cut because of a bad shed when he was very young and he lost the tip.

http://api.photoshop.com/home_2345cc...e28cbb93b18685

http://api.photoshop.com/home_2345cc...5e3753ca2c68fd

ok I sense a little tension in the threads I just wanted info on salmons because I just got one and I'm a newb on boas so I thought I'd post the question. I didn't want to start a debate lol.. Anyone got pics of them holding a full grown female salmon I want an Idea of what min'll look like please include age!!

No tensions here. Sorry it got hijacked for a second...

Here's a pic of a female and male Salmon BCI. The female is from Mike at Basically Boas and the male is from Rich and John at Salmon Boa.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88...08/Salmon1.jpg

The female is about 4 years old and the male is about 6 years old. Sorry but I don't have any of someone holding one.

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Salmon BCI 5yo male...just picked up tonight. Camera sucks for close ups sorry

Previous owner said his tail was cut because of a bad shed when he was very young and he lost the tip.

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Sorry bro, but that's not a Hypo/Salmon. Looks like a really nice Pastel though.

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Sorry bro, but that's not a Hypo/Salmon. Looks like a really nice Pastel though.

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Like I said, the previous owner said it was that.

So what would he most likely be...full name I mean. BCI, BCC, what type of pastel etc...I'm more a BP person


Can't really tell from that pic, i will try to get better, but he is VERY pink on his sides

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I'm sorry, but it's not a hypo OR Salmon in any way. It's definitely a Pastel, but Pastel is a very broad term lately. There's no way of teling what kind of Pastel he is without knowing more about his lineage.

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Luckily I can get that info since the breeder is well known, at least locally. It is East Bay Vivarium in Berkley, Ca. The previous owner gave me his feed, vet, shed, poo log from the day he got him and it has his bdate also.

Here's a semi better pic that shows how pink he is.

Also according to the previous owner he was produced from a Salmon female and a Pastel male, at least from what he could remember

http://api.photoshop.com/home_2345cc...d131376bf1f84c

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Here's a semi better pic that shows how pink he is.

Also according to the previous owner he was produced from a Salmon female and a Pastel male, at least from what he could remember

http://api.photoshop.com/home_2345cc...d131376bf1f84c

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That is very interesting. The hypos I have seen even ugly ones usually have the pink/hypo part expressed more at the tail end. But on yours.. there is no pinkish on the tail end. It is showing on the head and neck area... hmmmm.. :rolleyes:

thanks you !! finally someone showed me a pic of someone holding an adult almon !!! LOL so would that mean that my girl is hypo salmon? I'd guess so due to the coloring..

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thanks you !! finally someone showed me a pic of someone holding an adult almon !!! LOL so would that mean that my girl is hypo salmon? I'd guess so due to the coloring..

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Haha, innocent debates are cool as long as they don't get heated.

I would say most definitely yours is a salmon/hypo. ;)

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Also according to the previous owner he was produced from a Salmon female and a Pastel male, at least from what he could remember

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This is where one of you got mixed up. A Salmon x Pastel pairing would produce SalmonPastels and Pastels (the pastel trait would vary between each of the offspring). He might have been selling it as a "Salmon-Sibling" which means it's from a Salmon breeding, but one of the "normals" from that litter. Whenever you breed a Salmon to anything, the hypo gene changes the normals to (usually) more than a normal, thus most breeders call them Salmon-Silbings instead. I stopped doing this because customers got confused and thought they were buying a Salmon when they weren't.

Here's a comparison of Normals, Pastels, and Salmons I took once-
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88...omparison2.jpg
Hope that helps a little bit. If you notice the darker lines around the saddles with the Pastels (and even more so with the normals) compared to almost NO dark lines around the Salmons. But even more so is the tail. Normals and Pastels have black lines around the red tail saddles whereas the Salmons have almost none at all (only down at the last few).

And to keep this on topic, here's a pic I found of Bubbles holding a 6 foot Salmon female-
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y88...%202007/06.jpg

I moved the off topic stuff to it's own thread.

Thanks for the info Jimi. Guess best case scenerio is to bring him into the original breeder and see what they think also. They are quite well known for their pastels and salmons

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Thanks for the info Jimi. Guess best case scenerio is to bring him into the original breeder and see what they think also. They are quite well known for their pastels and salmons

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I don't know them, but that is a really nice Pastel. I'm sure it was just a confusion with the terms "Salmon-Sibling". Please let me know what you find out though.

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I don't know them, but that is a really nice Pastel. I'm sure it was just a confusion with the terms "Salmon-Sibling". Please let me know what you find out though.

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That I'm surprised about, Salmon Boa uses EBV Pastels a lot for breeding, according to their website.

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That I'm surprised about, Salmon Boa uses EBV Pastels a lot for breeding, according to their website.

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Once you said EBV I was back on track, lol. Sorry, haven't heard them called East Bay in forever. They would not sell that male as a Salmon, unless they see something I don't.

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Once you said EBV I was back on track, lol. Sorry, haven't heard them called East Bay in forever. They would not sell that male as a Salmon, unless they see something I don't.

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Guess best bet would be to bring the snake and the diary in with me right after his next shed. I also have the previous owners name, they probably know him since he also owns some rare python and 2 7ft carpet jungles that he has purchased from EBV

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Guess best bet would be to bring the snake and the diary in with me right after his next shed. I also have the previous owners name, they probably know him since he also owns some rare python and 2 7ft carpet jungles that he has purchased from EBV

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Ok, YOU didn't purchase him directly from EBV. I took this to PM.