explanation on tubs?? plzz

ok so every body is apparently using tubs...i am not so cool. can somebody please explain the set up of a tub. im not talking about the water goes here, and the hide goes here. my bp loves climbing and basically does back flips off of his hide(the tree stump, not a half log) and idk how a tub can offer that much head room. maybe im not picturing a big enough tub.

also can u explain the back heating(not right term)...is that basically a uth slapped on the side of the tank/tub/vivarium??

sorry for the noooob-syndrome, but its my first bp, and with corns and kings, they are basically add water, add mouse= :D:snake:

thanks alot.

Personally if u only have one bp, a tub setup is probably not something you'll want unless your trying to save space. Tubs are used mainly to save space, they are not very visually appealing. Ball pythons typically just chill on the ground or in their hides which makes a tub great because most are not too deep. If you only have one, he likes to climb, and space is not an issue I wouldnt consider a tub until you get more(which you will) :D

I dont use tubs to save space. I keep my snakes in tubs because its easier to provide the the temp/humidity requirements they need! Also easier to maintain a sterile environment. I like to keep my snakes happy, so if i have to give up visually appealing setups to make sure they are provided for then so be it! But i agree that keeping one snake in a nice setup wouldnt be tough, i like having alot of snakes:gj:

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I dont use tubs to save space. I keep my snakes in tubs because its easier to provide the the temp/humidity requirements they need! Also easier to maintain a sterile environment. I like to keep my snakes happy, so if i have to give up visually appealing setups to make sure they are provided for then so be it! But i agree that keeping one snake in a nice setup wouldnt be tough, i like having alot of snakes:gj:

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Me as well! Having failed miserably on keeping my first ball python in a tank, and seeing how well he did in a tub (as do all of mine), I'm sold on tubs as ideal (for me) to keep snakes in. If they did better in a tank, then they'd all be in tanks!

i m absolutely going to get more. but can somebody expain the set up...or is there a sticky on it?

Tub setup is fairly simple.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/...eb5bc5.jpg?v=0
This is mine, not super flashy but it gets the job done. If you get a bigger tub you have more flexibility for "decorating". Tub setup is about the same as a vivarium setup.

As for heating the tub, I use aluminum tape and tape a UTH to the bottom of the tub on one side. This works well for me so far.

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idk how a tub can offer that much head room. maybe im not picturing a big enough tub.

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Ball Pythons are ground dwellers and height is not necessary, the tubs most people use are about 6 inches high and they are working perfectly for ball pythons

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also can u explain the back heating(not right term)...is that basically a uth slapped on the side of the tank/tub/vivarium??

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It basically works the same way, you use a UTH or flexwatt heat tape and a thermostat, to help maintain proper temps and avoid over-heating.

In most cases I would recommend belly heat over back heat (back heat would require a heated room with table temps year round)

This is a 15 quarts quarentine tub but you get the idea

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...0Room/Tub2.jpg

This type setup allows you to easily maintain temps and humidity providing your animal with optimal security.

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Originally Posted by gu1do24

Personally if u only have one bp, a tub setup is probably not something you'll want unless your trying to save space. Tubs are used mainly to save space, they are not very visually appealing. Ball pythons typically just chill on the ground or in their hides which makes a tub great because most are not too deep. If you only have one, he likes to climb, and space is not an issue I wouldnt consider a tub until you get more(which you will) :D

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It is not about space it is about providing the proper environment for your snake whether you have one or 10 it does not matter.

They're are different way to keep BP and I don't see why 1 BP could not be kept in a tub.

As far as not being visually appealing this does not matter (I am pretty sure the snake does not care ;))

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Originally Posted by Deborah

As far as not being visually appealing this does not matter (I am pretty sure the snake does not care ;))

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I totally agree with you Deb!

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Originally Posted by Deborah

As far as not being visually appealing this does not matter (I am pretty sure the snake does not care ;))

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I agree with this, but there is one side this statement does not address. It is likely to matter to the keeper whether or not it is visually appealing. However, BPs aren't suited to being on display. If one wants a display animal, get a different species. Or get 2, a BP, and something else for your display.

I wasnt saying that is the only reason for tubs it is a big one, though I dont think someone with 20 or 30 snakes will have 20 or 30 cages that just isnt very efficient. unless you have a huge room its much easier to keep a bp in a tub versus a tank and if you plan on adding more to your collection you can put it in a rack. As for the appearence, well it isnt about that I was just saying compared to a tank it definetly is not a show piece.

I only have 5 BP's but I use racks because they are SUPER easy and simple. I will never use a tank for a BP ever again, unless for some reason I don't have a choice.

Tubs are just so much easier to handle and clean. They save TONS of space, I would not be able to keep 5 snakes in tanks in the room I have them in.

Mike

Tubs do have a lot of benefits, including:
They are easy to clean, or replace. Lightweight and easy to move. They hold humidity and heat well, and the opaque sides offer less stress on the snake, since they won't feel as if the world is staring at them.
If you have one ball python(or even several) you can use taller tubs, so you have more headroom. Ball pythons typically don't need 'headroom' as they live in burrows in the wild. Snakes that are climbing and reaching towards the top are generally trying to escape(not always, sometimes they just are climbing) and there might be a reason for that.
If you have a properly set up tank, with stable heat and humidity, and the snake is not stressed and eating properly, then you're probably fine.
For myself, I love the racks, since my snakes almost NEVER refuse feed even in shed, they are more relaxed when I handle them and when I open the bin to change water/clean/etc.
Good luck!

I see a lot of folks use newspaper as the substrate. Can you use papertowels instead? I don't get the paper and I to get hate news-print on everything.

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I see a lot of folks use newspaper as the substrate. Can you use papertowels instead? I don't get the paper and I to get hate news-print on everything.

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You can get unprinted newspaper or use paper towels.
I personally use aspen. :]

Are shavings generally better than paper, or is it just a personal preference issue? Which is considered better with belly heat and for cleaning?

my bp loves climbing and basically does back flips off of his hide(the tree stump, not a half log)


the back flips may be your BP falling as they are ground dwellers and are clumsy at climbing.if he is falling you may be risking injury.have fun!

I recently bought myself a 55 gallon tank in addition to my 20 Gallon. I use the 55 To keep my two females Cinnamon and Normal and the 20 gallon to keep my Pinstripe male. Anyone feel like I should tub and separate them all? Im planning on doing some breeding with them in the near future.

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I recently bought myself a 55 gallon tank in addition to my 20 Gallon. I use the 55 To keep my two females Cinnamon and Normal and the 20 gallon to keep my Pinstripe male. Anyone feel like I should tub and separate them all? Im planning on doing some breeding with them in the near future.

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Yes... Split them up.

Split them up now? or during the breeding process. It seems like a waste of a 120 dollar tank for just one snake if you know what I mean.

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Split them up now? or during the breeding process. It seems like a waste of a 120 dollar tank for just one snake if you know what I mean.

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Well, considering you bought animals for $300+ dollars, shouldn't you care more about their welfare?

Split them up now.

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Split them up now? or during the breeding process. It seems like a waste of a 120 dollar tank for just one snake if you know what I mean.

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Yes it is. Can you take it back?

Sadly, no I cannot take it back. Its a stupid move I suppose, but I guess I can try selling it on craigslist or something. Good ideas. Thank you.

It is not a stupid move, just an inexperienced move. It is very difficult to keep the heat and humidity in the proper range in such a large enclosure. Also a lot of ball pythons go off feed in such a large enclosure, because they do not feel secure. You can alter the enclosure to try to fix these issues. If they do not work, then I suggest going with a smaller one; such as, a 20 gallon long.

Hope this helps.

You could always buy something else that is more suited to keep in the 55 gallon tank! :P But it isn't the best enclosure for a BP in most circumstances, and co-habing them is also not a good idea. If you want to know more, I suggest doing a search or starting your own thread.

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You could always buy something else that is more suited to keep in the 55 gallon tank! :P

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LOL!

I still am trying to decide what I'm picking out for my 60 gallon. It's been sitting empty for several months now...

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How do lamps work for tubs?

Hello every one !!
well this post was very informative for me....... i was searching info for the same topic but is there any one who can help me out to know more about details about it so if there's any one please do let me know or send me a P.M
regards

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Originally Posted by Aadil

Hello every one !!
well this post was very informative for me....... i was searching info for the same topic but is there any one who can help me out to know more about details about it so if there's any one please do let me know or send me a P.M
regards

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Hey Aadil,

You could start a new thread and post the questions you have there. The community will be more than happy to help you out with some feedback.

i use a few different sized rack system since it saves space and holds humidity much better. with close to 20 snakes as well as expecting 6 or so clutches this year it would take up way to much space housing them all in tanks. plus i find them a lot easier to clean.