To "Het", or not to "Het", that is the question

Im starting to come to an end of my short term spending and all but one of my bp's (1.0 albino) are co-dom's/dom's.

So, the question is this; If you had about 3K to spend, would you...

1) Just buy an awesome pair of 1.1 of piebalds?

2) Or just by recessive males of various types and start several projects; say 1.0 piebald, 1.0 genetic stripe and perhaps 1.0 Axanthic, breed them to normals, and then use the hets to start breeding the visual forms?

I am sort of torn as which way to go; the "instant gratification" side of me says get the piebald pair and take the guessing game out of it, but the "diversify" side of me says a variety might be more fulfilling in the long term.

WWYD?

Brandon

Well this is just me, but I bought an adult male het pied from the dixie show a few months ago and I plan to start a five year project to create a pied. Time doesn't matter to me. But if I had the money I'd just buy it lol.

Well... most people do it this way.

Use the 100% het male and make poss hets.

Keep back the poss hets, grow them up, and then when the time comes to breed them, buy a visual male. That way its very easy to determine who is a het out of the possies rather than het to poss het...

I agree with the last post if time is no matter to you then get more for your money, but you coudl always just buy the pieds and produce some pieds sell them and use that money for your het project in a few years that way you can do both!!

If I was looking to drop 3K I think there are far more stable projects to get in on. LA's, Black Axanthics, Tri-Stripe, Deserts, ect

if you get a male pied and a het pied you will be able to produce pieds and hets. keep in mind if you are going to start selling them that you may have more luck moving a het than a visual pied.

so, my opinion is get a visual and a het of the morphs you want to produce. that way you can produce visuals and spred you money a little further.

There is this spider het pied male I have been lookin at.

Thoughts?

Brandon

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

There is this spider het pied male I have been lookin at.

Thoughts?

Brandon

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Do you like the project?

I do. I would just need to get either a het female, or a visual if I had the balls. (pun intended)

Purchase a male pied (for example) and a couple female hets of the same morph.
Your odds of producing said visible recessive morph is 50% per egg.
That seems like a great project to me.
All normal looking offspring will be 100% het for pied and if you are willing to offer a guarantee of genetics and write up paperwork on it you should have no problems moving the extra babies out.
Then take the money from those babies and buy more visible morph males and their respective female hets.
Once you have a few female visibles of breeding size you can start crossing them into other dominant morphs and make some wicked combos in a relatively short period of time.
-Steven

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

I do. I would just need to get either a het female, or a visual if I had the balls. (pun intended)

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If you have the cash to purchase the visual then you would be way ahead of the game.
Multiple sires would work to your benefit in that respect as well because you would be sure that whatever the babies were, they are definitely het pieds.
-Steven

I would say neither I would buy few het females (for whichever morph you like best) raise them up and than next year get a visual male or two.

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

I do. I would just need to get either a het female, or a visual if I had the balls. (pun intended)

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Well, yes...

If you wanted to, or you could make Bumbles poss het Pied and plug the project in later.. Or whatever.

Lots of possibilities.

It really depends on what your priorities are.

The more involved you get, the more complications there are in the project.

(Spider Het Pied)... If time is not an issue. Go fo it. If otherwise, go with visible morphs or look at your current collection and maybe you might find something else more interesting :). Good luck.

I'd say get a pied male and some hets...maybe even if you've got the extra cash some hets of some of the other morphs you want to work with. The first year you can make hets from your pied...and the next make pieds with the hets your first bought. Also by that time you could do the same with the other morph of hets you bought. Say you buy a pied and 2 het females, then 2 het axanthics, and 2 het genetic stripes. Then by the next year you could have the money for the 2 visuals of axanthic and/or stripe and already have females growing up for them.

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Originally Posted by stevenkeogh

Purchase a male pied (for example) and a couple female hets of the same morph.
Your odds of producing said visible recessive morph is 50% per egg.
That seems like a great project to me.
All normal looking offspring will be 100% het for pied and if you are willing to offer a guarantee of genetics and write up paperwork on it you should have no problems moving the extra babies out.
Then take the money from those babies and buy more visible morph males and their respective female hets.
Once you have a few female visibles of breeding size you can start crossing them into other dominant morphs and make some wicked combos in a relatively short period of time.
-Steven

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i like this options

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

So, the question is this; If you had about 3K to spend, would you...

1) Just buy an awesome pair of 1.1 of piebalds?

2) Or just by recessive males of various types and start several projects; say 1.0 piebald, 1.0 genetic stripe and perhaps 1.0 Axanthic, breed them to normals, and then use the hets to start breeding the visual forms?

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If I had that much money to blow and assuming I wanted to get recessive genes instead of co-dom or dom ones then I would take the second option, however I would use morphs not normals. This way you can produce Het Morphs offspring and then breed them with their parent to get a 50% chance of getting Homs as well as a 50% chance of getting a morph. This way you have the instant gratification of adding a Hom to your collection as well as the future gratification of having more unique looking snakes.

Either that or produce Double Hets and then get super cool double recessive snakes. But, really, I am dying to see a nice Pied Firefly, which would be as easy as getting a Pied male and breeding it to a Fire and a Lemon Pastel then breeding those offspring to one another. However this is assuming your desire is to work with the trait and not just produce that trait alone.