Pinstripe potential..

Hey everyone. Im considering different snakes for my female pinstripe to breed with.
I pretty much narrowed it down to either a lesser or a bumblebee.
With the lesser I can hope for kingpins, plus more lessers which are great for future BEL's.
My other option would be the Bumblebee which would be a fun project with alot of different potential combinations.. lemonblasts, more bumblebees, spinners, spinnerblast!! and of course normals, pastels, pinstripes, and spiders.
I know the obvious answer of choose which ever one I like the most, but i like both these snakes and am looking for some input from everyone. Which would you go for? or is there another morph under the $1000 range you would choose?

I would say go for either! You can't loose any way you go, but me personally.....I think I'd love to look into the incubator and see a spinner blast lol.

Chocolate or axanthic.

Mmmmmm... Spinner blasts.

Also, you should really look into more of the other less known combos.

I like Shaderas idea of the Chocolate. Those are hot, in a subtle way.

mojave pastel aka pastave

Personally I like the Lesser more but for pure combo potential you can't beat a spinner blast, at least with the options you've given.

I stick to my guns from the other site and still say chocolate to eventually produce the camo ball.
-Steven

BOTH! Then breed them both to her :)

I asked this question not too long ago and got a lot of helpful replies. I don't have time to find the thread right now, but you can do a search for it I'm sure.

I ended up going with a male mojave because 1) I got a GORGEOUS one from a local breeder for only $150, and 2) I love mojaves, so this way I can hope for pinstripes, mojaves, and jigsaws, plus normals. I've already had two friends place holds on mojaves if I hatch any next season, haha. I did strongly consider the lesser though, because they are so sexy on their own, and kingpins rock. However, the price on them will drop so I'll pick one up next year or so when they're cheaper.

You should check out BHB. They breed more pinstripes than anyone I know, and they have LOTS of cool combinations on their site. You might be able to get some good ideas there, or some good deals :)

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p.s.
just saw that your budget was $1000. For that price, you could probably get both. My local breeder has smoking lesser males for $450 right now I believe, and I've seen 08 male bees around $700.

The "triple threat" male would be my choice. Plenty of possibilities with a male. Good luck. :)

lesser

albino??? albino pins?:)

I love some kingpins but the combo potential with a Bumble bee is to great to pass up!!

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Originally Posted by MDB

albino??? albino pins?:)

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Would be even longer though to obtain that though with the female being the pinstripe.

Both!!!

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/DSC_0644.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...10_31_2008.jpg

That's the same female pinstripe in both pics. I couldn't decide on using just one of the males, it should be cool clutch no matter who is the father.

All you need to worry about having a dom female is the potential of her offspring.
I find that a dom female is.... limited for her potential but her babies can be used in crosses with many other morphs.
I prefer codom females for the purposes of line breeding.
For instance: A pastel female when bred to (example) yellowbelly can make a Pastel YB.
The next year, if you are lucky you can breed her son back to her and possibly create Super pastel YBs.
When having a dom female you should definitely have another morph female to breed the pins offspring to in the upcoming seasons.
A better scenario: YB female. Breed a pastel to her and create the pastel YB. Next years you breed that baby to his mother and possibly create a Pastel Ivory!
See where I'm going with this?
But I can't say that having a dom female is a bad idea.
So good luck with her.
Your best bet is definitely a codom male such as a bumblebee, pastave, superpastel, cinnabee, pastel YB.... and so on.
-Steven

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Originally Posted by jluman

Both!!!

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...n/DSC_0644.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...10_31_2008.jpg

That's the same female pinstripe in both pics. I couldn't decide on using just one of the males, it should be cool clutch no matter who is the father.

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dangit my pin isnt even looking at my bee :tears:

[QUOTE=stevenkeogh;976957]All you need to worry about having a dom female is the potential of her offspring.
I find that a dom female is.... limited for her potential but her babies can be used in crosses with many other morphs.
I prefer codom females for the purposes of line breeding.
For instance: A pastel female when bred to (example) yellowbelly can make a Pastel YB.
The next year, if you are lucky you can breed her son back to her and possibly create Super pastel YBs.
When having a dom female you should definitely have another morph female to breed the pins offspring to in the upcoming seasons.
A better scenario: YB female. Breed a pastel to her and create the pastel YB. Next years you breed that baby to his mother and possibly create a Pastel Ivory!
See where I'm going with this?
But I can't say that having a dom female is a bad idea.
So good luck with her.
Your best bet is definitely a codom male such as a bumblebee, pastave, superpastel, cinnabee, pastel YB.... and so on.
-Steven[/QUOTE

Hey Steven. Thanks alot for the tip.

Thanks for all the great tips and ideas.
I recently came upon a 750 gram female spider, im not sure if she will be ready next year but eventually he will be bred to what i buy also, so in conclusion I have to pick the LESSER. Now in hopes for lesserbees with her and kingpins with my pinstripe....Im so excited.
The next reptile expo near me is on the 22nd, where I'll be in search of a smokin lesser..

I know lesser's are possible but, if you cant find one you like, I think there is more bang with butter...... butter pin... I think any of the bel complex animals are awesome with pin, just immagine throwing hypo in there with pin and a bel gene wether it be lesser mojo ect....

My original suggestion would've been the Bee. But since you plan on getting a female Spider I would suggest a Pastave! (Then you'd be working with 4 genes.. Pins, Spiders, Pastels, and Mojaves!)

Unless you're dead set on getting a Lesser. Either way, you can't go wrong!

throw it to an enchi for sure. You should get some really nice coloring.

I would go for, a Enchi or Hypomojave!

Attractive boths
But i like Kingpin :P

Definitely a Bumblebee.

Get a bee, it's more useful in general as a male stud than a lesser. And you can also make spinner bees :D

Jigsaw Jigsaw Jigsaw!!!

Voted for the Bumblebee :gj: would love to own a spinner bee...:bow:

Go double gene when ever you can..even stretch it a little bit and get a 3 gene.. they cost a little more but their reach is far greater..Like with a bee save more money and get a Pastel Mojave Bee, Killer bee, or spinner blast.. you'll thank me in the end.. ;)

I voted bumblebee because yellow is my favorite color in snakes.

I'm not that big of a fan of pastels and don't like bees, and I love lessers and kingpins, so the choice was easy for me. :D

Bee.

:O

HA. Just kidding. Lesser ftw! :banana:

Pastel yb or pastel axanthic :)

I voted for Lesser - I love Kingpins :gj:

Well now that you have the spider it could be a money saver to go with a Super Pastel!

1. Super Pastel males are pretty reasonable in cost
2. No normal babies
3. You should get your bee the first year and your Lemon blast
4. Now in the future you can add Pastel to anything readily

Only exception to this might be to pony up some extra for a super form Blue Eyed Lucy. As long as it is super form and not a cross you don't get any normals!

Lots of interesting suggestions here, but why not use a LesserPastel with the Pinstripe female? That would make things more fun when time comes to cut the eggs...

You can get Pastels, Lemonblasts, Pins, KingPins, Pastel KingPins, Lessers and LesserPastels. Now that's a nice genetic roulette for you!

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Originally Posted by stevenkeogh

I stick to my guns from the other site and still say chocolate to eventually produce the camo ball.
-Steven

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This. Although my personal love of lemonblasts would tempt me to put my super pastel male with her if she was mine.